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Madness
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second fav on here now min on drift
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Apparently Wylie and Mullins will decide which races Bellshill and Yorkhill go to over the weekend and Ruby will ride Min - Twitter
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... or as late as Monday
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More likely delsie. If min travels over poorly, then all bets night be off as far as RW is concerned....so to speak!
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I was so tempted by the 14's on Yorkhill for the Supreme the other day, and I know a lot on here too it.
Wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if Yorkhill ended up in the Neptune so Ruby can ride them both. We'll see in a day or two whether my non trusting of the yard has cost me a knocking bet (if he does run 14's is massive), or if I was right and a lot of people have done their dough because of Ruby's power. Couldn't back him now at about 4's - come in about 10 points for doing nothing. Imo the 7's NRNB in the Neptune is a great price. |
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* a lot on here took it
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maybe all not right with min an this is plan b hope im wrong large bet on min 12/1
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David Casey says on the RP website that all ok with Min and no decision on which race Yorkhill will go for yet. Would really like to see Yorkhill in the Neptune to give Yanworth a race.
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Yorkhill being backed for The Supreme so I've taken the 7s NRNB for The Neptune, not that I'm cynical or anything!
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just read on raceingpostapp no decision on who ruby rides in supreme
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As nothing is decided and I still think Ruby will get his way and get Yorkhill to the Neptune - there could be some value in Bellshill for the supreme now!
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Ruby is not going to dictate which race Yorkhill runs in. He'll run in the race that they feel he has the best chance of winning and will be ridden by another capable jockey if Ruby picks something else. As integral as Ruby is to the operation it's WPM who makes the final decisions and the buck stops with him.
Wylie will be gunning for the Supreme. imo |
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delsie how can you honestly think this yorkhill could go for the neptune, have you not seen the money pouring on this thing
walsh rides this and its any price min for me |
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As the Hawks gather.............the Lemmings begin to panic.....nature at its best.
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Sir Alex Ferguson asked Ruby what his three best chances were and Ruby replied Limini, Douvan and Min (in that order).
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Maeuldin. It's quite clear Wylie has nothing to do with anything. And it's increasingly obvious Ruby is calling the shots imo. Even more than WPM to some extent.
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Harry. Walsh does not ride yorkhill.
Wylie said at preview evening walsh rides min in the supreme. |
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I will change that.
Walsh does not ride yorkhill in the supreme |
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"delsie how can you honestly think this yorkhill could go for the neptune, have you not seen the money pouring on this thing
walsh rides this and its any price min for me" Just an opinion mate - nothing set in stone. Just seems odd to me that YH is just 3-1 with PP. Not unusual for these 'plunges' to happen when NRNB kicks in. But hey - you obviously have the inside track on Ruby and you'll look really smart when he gets off Min. |
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Delsie. Not saying yorkhill won't go neptune.
Been think why paddy would go 3/1 nrnb. Maybe because they want the business and don't want to refund stakes. So people will back a different runner with them that will run. Or You may be right and they really don't want to take a bet on yorkhill as they know he will go neptune with ruby on board and they don't want to take bets on what would look like an ew cert. 3/1 nrnb certainly a strange one |
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"And it's increasingly obvious Ruby is calling the shots imo. Even more than WPM to some extent."
Ruby may try to sway WPM but to say he calls the shots is ridiculous.  And if Wylie has no say then why did NC run up against Faugheen all season. Could easily have sent him across the water. |
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delsie i certainly have no inside track on ruby walsh just an opinion based on min weakness and an absolute carve up going on on yorkhill add to that i honestly feel yorkhill is the better horse
i haven't had a bet (wish i had the 14's though) as want to know the ground and prefer day of the race market when my mind isn't biased to certain horses i'm still trying to sort the lesser races tbh far more value to be had |
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maelduin. I don't think its ridiculous at all. WPM has alluded to it several times over the years. Ruby rides them and knows best which race will suit the horse best. As annoying as it is, all Ruby is trying to do is give himself the best chance of a winner in each race, therefore he will nominate the horse he thinks most likely to win each race. And I think Mullins hangs on his every word. I know a few jockeys who openly say that Ruby always gets his way at the yard.
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Harry - don't get me wrong - I don't have any agenda regarding the horse as I backed him for any race, the supreme and the neptune. I also have an interest in Min and Yanworth in the two races. I just believe that Ruby will move heaven and earth to get them in different races. Wouldn't you? Genuinely believe that no decision has been made yet and there is bits and pieces of money about for Yorkhill in the Neptune today - so go figure. If Yorkhill had been confirmed for the Supreme I just don't see why PP would be noticeably shortest for the longer race. Good luck anyway.
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well for me the nrnb thing is all well and good when others are not offering such concessions delsie but the firms who are not nrnb are also short in the market which means he is a runner in the supreme
knowing how these people operate i'll be astounded if he ran in the neptune with the shear weight of cash that has been lumped on in recent days in the supreme market |
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Cant catch me you obviously have no insight into how it works in Mullins stable. Ruby has fook all of a say there. He isnt even allowed ride the horses in their serious work after the Faugheen debacle before his reappearance at Punceshtown. WPM and him alone decides where the horses run.
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Ruby has fook all of a say there.
Sounds like you have no insight either willy. |
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willy is right there wpm calls the shots.
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willy is right there wpm calls the shots........unless it's a Giggy horse.
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I'd echo that, Ruby has no say at all. It is true to say that WP may alter plans to facilitate Ruby because he sees Ruby riding as a considerable advantage, but WP alone calls the shots.
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Do any of you actually know?
I certainly don't, but it looks more and more to me that Walsh has more of a say than some seem to think he has. Not many of their decisions go against what Walsh would like,imo. |
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i wud believe BWS all day long in the context of what your talking about CCM
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Buddilea, WP doesn't need any jockey to tell him how to do his job. He does his job brilliantly, as does Ruby, but anyone who thinks Ruby is training them, or placing them, is living in the clouds.
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I know a few jockeys quite well, and they have always told me Ruby gets his way at Closutton. Heard quite a few stories of things that have happened over the years, especially at Cheltenham. That's the only point I'm making.... Not trying to pretend Im some kind of insider.
To suggest he has f*ck all of a say is ridiculous to me. That his opinion counts for nothing? He just turns up at the yard and is told which horses are running in which races and then he picks? Surely nobody is suggesting that are they? Obviously WPM has final say on everything, nobody is doubting that.... but I think he uses Ruby's opinion very heavily in making those decisions. |
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Would you disagree with any of my comments?
By the way, I have not said Walsh trains them or places them. |
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Festivalfanatic Gigginstown took all their horses out of Mullins stable about 5 years ago and they came crawling back to him. Why do you think JP has so few horses there? WPM calls the tune and if the owners dont like it they can fook off and take their horses with them. He told Potts to go run and jump!!
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I wish some of these owners would fook off and take their horses to be honest.
Would have much more competitive racing. |
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THAT REPLY DOSEN'T SUPRISE ME IN THE LEAST
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