Nichols Canyon - six grade ones in less than 15 months and people complaining. I'll say nothing.

Certainly pushing the Mullins love in a bit to give him credit for Tidal Bay. Or are you saying he made sure he didn't win the Irish race that Nicholls won with it to keep Wylie happy?

@quantize - i'm only human. Mea Culpa.

Of course Nicholls has had good horses for novices to to train with/against. Big Bucks, Dodging Bullets, Saphir De Rheu and others.

Didnt Willie even give him a loan of his jockey for Tidal Bay that day in Leopardstown and of course Back In Focus won a grade one there the same day. Poor Graham must be pulling his hair out.

Not a problem mate,I don't expect people to agree with me anyway,although it is nice when some do.
I say things as I feel.
I feel Wylie don't get the same treatment as Ricci. No idea what goes on of course,that is just how it seems to me.
Oh he's had a few novice graded wins I admit, but I cannot think of too many big race wins with Mullins out of novice company.
The ones he has with him now I only see Yorkhill as potential for that,and that probably depends what Ricci has as potential opposition.

To be honest I think all Mullins other big owners would be better off elsewhere,and leave Ricci and Mullins to get on with it.

Cue the Mullins disciples!!

I am total agreement with you Budd as you can tell from my posts. The Mullins brigade can't see past him that's fair enough and he's a great trainer but there are other great trainers who would do just as well with these horses they just want to think Mullins is a god. I think Wylie should get his own  trainer where horses who've cost him a mint are trained and placed without influence from other owners in the yard and the horses are ridden by a jockey who gets on them all the time not if he hasn't a ride for another owner.

We are just as entitled to our opinion as they are to their opinion.

Having a single trainer for one's horses is never a good thing, why? Your horses could be wiped out in an incident of nature eg a fire, equine flu, etc. Also, the trainer could take your patronage for granted and not campaign them accordingly.

To win a grade 1 where the competition is non existent or pathetic - quite a norm in Ireland lately - with the horse starting long odds-on is never a true reflection of that horse's true ability.

It's without doubt the abilities of some of GW horses have been compromised last year, and not placed in the best races.

Not sure this has anything to do with Wylie having his leg lifted.

Like I say crumbs from the table. £18k race that they were going to lose but for fav falling. Well done Willie. Wylie can have a biscuit cos Ricci is back in the States. Whoppee Do.

I think it is what the Americans call a high class problem.

It's a good job Mullins has Ricci and Wylie's horses in his yard otherwise he'd be exposed as the outstanding trainer he's always been.

Certainly he knows how to train a horse,maybe not so good at the managing side of things re owners.

Think its pretty clear by reading my posts what I am saying.

Budd in your 21.05 post of 18th Feb you state "No idea what goes on of course" and yet you continually show a negative attitude to both WM and his horses. However its good to see you admit you dont know what youre talking about.

In 1981 Wylie co-founded the Sage Group with David Goldman and Paul Muller, having programmed the initial Sage accounts package himself.The Sage Group quickly grew to be a successful worldwide financial software company and is the only software company listed on the FTSE 100. Wylie retired from Sage in 2003.

In October 2003 Wylie founded Technology Services Group and in the following years expanded that company primarily through acquisition.

Speedflex (Europe) Ltd was formed in 2011 by Chairman Graham Wylie, Paul Ferris (Barrister, former Professional Footballer and Physiotherapist at Newcastle United Football Club) and Alan Shearer (former Newcastle United and England captain).

Wylie has been honoured by the Queen with a CBE in the 2003 New Year Honours. Wylie has been awarded honorary doctorates by Northumbria University in 2000 and Newcastle University in 2004.Furthermore he has been awarded the freedom of the city of Newcastle upon Tyne.

And your trying to tell me this man doesnt know when hes having his 'leg lifted' ?

People who build up multi million pound businesses tend not to get their legs lifted in any walk of life.

Really? Wylie would still have been fully involved with Sage at that time. Johnson would be the nearest trainer to his home base, making it easy to get down to the gallops, watch his horses, learn more about the game. Perhaps it was a meeting with Johnson that prompted his interest and persuaded him to get involved?

I've no idea of the rationale for that decision, the factors behind it or the dynamic of his relationship with HoJo - and nor do you, I suspect.

It's easy to condemn it with 15 years or so of hindsight and no understanding of the context within which it was made.

As others have pointed out, he's an extremely astute business man, clearly a clever man, I'm sure he has his reasons for placing his horses with Mullins, is conversant with all the pros and cons of doing so - presumably he's also privy to factors which inform his decision making that are not common knowledge to general jums racing fans.

actually thinking about it, it may have been after selling Sage that he got involved in racing but the general statement still stands - his business interests are in the north east, my memory not as good as it was