Ruby Walsh

Becoming a bit if a habit.
Ain't seem what happened........what happened?

BH was travelling well within himself, and well on top at the last and he hit it.

Not to dissimilar to Valseur Lido fall last week; lots of horse left under him.

Glad he got up (took a couple of minutes), and hope it doesn't put him out of the festival.

can't believe I've missed this, was really interested in Shantou Flyer as I have him in couple accas for the 4 miler..

SF ran no sort of race Timtin.  If BH is okay and they do reoppose in the 4 miler, it will take a massive swing in form for SF to get involved.

yes just seen the replay, got outpaced by all the entire field in the back straight, 3 miles too sharp for him but yea little hope to see a reversal based on this run

This is happening too regular for me, i know he's  a great horseman but its plain he's doing something wrong. I'm not going to say I'm an expert an i know what but he is definitely doing something wrong on horses that are going well coming to the last. Something he said the other day like he admitted he might of  did something wrong (VL fall) but in the grand scheme of things its wasn't a problem and he wasn't going to let t get to him. That shocked me never heard him talk like that. This all started when Kauto started wacking the last.... I no there will be a lot of nervous punters when the Willie Mullins good things come down to the last clear.

A lot of people complimented him on his recovery and win on KV when experts suggested it was the wrong thing to do. It turned out the experts were right. I suppose it was great viewing and good for the punters on that given day but no so good for the horse. Now I know he doesn't give a ***k about punters so it was purely a selfish thing.

All jockeys fall off. Wouldn't have it on my mind. Certainly won't be worried if Rubys riding mine.

he never rolls over though, sign of a good jockey and thats how he was capable of the small miracle on KV. Most jockeys when their horses stumble on landing they reach the ground before the horse but Ruby is still on the horse trying to recover.

Feb 14, 2016 -- 4:47PM, shockster wrote:

All jockeys fall off. Wouldn't have it on my mind. Certainly won't be worried if Rubys riding mine.

your a braver punter than me, if not anything else this has to be starting to affect his confidence.

Yes Timtin,and now KV is out for the season.
Did The horse get injured at the last fence? If so maybe Walsh should have pulled him up.
If not......sorry Ruby.

I'm inclined to believe its the way he produces them at the fences/hdls. If you notice he takes a pull at the reigns and must take a deep breath. Nothing natural in that. I've just watched both falls, VL last week and BH today. UDS, in fact his method is so different to everyone else. Not something i noticed before.

Even the slickest of jumpers he rides are making mistakes, bunny hopping hurdlers etc, faugheen etc, Annie Power etc etc.

I used to be a huge fan of his when he was riding for Nichols, has something dented his confidence in recent times i just wonder

He remounted Kauto (at Essex iirc)in his first year and he was subsequently found to be injured and missed the festival - win at all costs is not always the best mindset.

Yes he did unclepuncle i remember that well but unlike KV he just failed on him. It was the year after Kauto Star became a big fan of mine, remembering that and him then winning the Tingle Creek. Wasn't such an avid follower of the game then only interested in backing the winners, not interested in welfare or politics as i am now.

I'd be interested to know how Ruby could have diagnosed anything to do with KV at the time given that his connections were waving their scarves for many days after the race? To me it was a classic case of wait and see after the race. Bookies shortened him but nobody had to back the horse.

Here's how I see Ruby

A top class jockey who has been blessed to be involved with the best horses of the last 15 years
Kauto Star, Denman, Master Minded, Big Bucks, Florida Pearl Hurricane Fly etc and the wonderful bandwagon of riches currently attached to WM stable- If theres anyone who's owed nothing from racing its Ruby. His ability to steer the greatest equine beast to victory has left him very wealthy and he won't want for anything unless he invests unwisely.
He likes to come across as intelligent which he's not, Smug yes.
To me racing can't survive without horse owners and punters, both indirectly lead to the employment of many people and for anyone with classified information to pass it on to a certain bookmaker causes me great concern. Just my opinion.

Eeternal,
Like you I have no idea how KV got injured but is it coincidence that the last race he had was the last fence mishap? And if he got injured there,would he make a noise as us humans tend to do when we get hurt?
The questions are entitled to be asked imo.

Feb 14, 2016 -- 6:03PM, Eeternaloptimist wrote:

I'd be interested to know how Ruby could have diagnosed anything to do with KV at the time given that his connections were waving their scarves for many days after the race? To me it was a classic case of wait and see after the race. Bookies shortened him but nobody had to back the horse.

i was shocked that people who were on at good prices weren't laying there stake back at least when they had 10-1 and could lay it back at 3-1. Was expecting it to be pulled out they just didn't want th ebad publicity straight after the race

Some pretty remarkable comments on the multiple Champion jockey here. I don't pretend to be an expert but it seems to me that it is uncanny how success has followed Ruby around isn't it? I suppose you will tell me that he was at Paul Nicholls at the right time - and that the fact that the stable has gone into decline since he left is pure coincidence. He plays a massive part at Closutton and Willie is the first to acknowledge the contribution he makes. The fact they have so many superb horses is partly down to Ruby and the way in which he educates them and the people who look after them day in day out. I suppose you will also tell me that the fact he is Champion at Cheltenham nearly every year is just luck. Not bad for a guy who can't present a horse at a fence! The greatest jockey ever, Francombe has told us time and again that no one presents a horse at a fence like Ruby, that he stays still in the saddle and lets the horse express itself. Still, what does he know? He's not an armchair jockey is he?
Having falls is part and parcel of jump racing. Ruby is the highest profile jockey and yeah - he's had a bad run. But to suggest that he is a liability is a feckin' joke, so it is.

i personally dont doubt how good a horseman and jockey walsh is and has been. That doesnt mean that there isn't a growing issue with his problem getting over the last with horses that are travelling v well. And if this was just some sort of coincidence, and there wasn't a problem. I would guess there is a problem now as his confidence must be getting shaken and there must be some self doubt coming into play (some quote he had after VL race) where he actually doubted himself quite shocked me.

this however doesnt mean he isn't going to have a great cheltenham.

delsie777 I'll have you know this forum has some of the worlds greatest racing brains one it particular and my advice to Ruby would be please get in contact with STS and he will sort out any riding deficiencies he has and if STS can't then I'm afraid Ruby may as well retire!

lol @john, you get so offended I wonder if you're not Ruby himself.. and if you are, my advice is don't check the Horse Racing section as you'll never be able to go to work tomorrow given all the encouragements you get over there

All i can say is its a good job 90% of horsemen and women stay away from forums like this after comments like them i've just read

oh and also don't check the twitter, some welcoming messages involving hunting and a bounty in case you fall on Faugheen or Douvan

LOL timtin

timtin not offended at all, in fact I find someone's views and comments pretty hilarious but the sad thing is they aren't intended to be and I just feel care in the community is failing those who obviously need help

maybe its your views and comments that some people find hilarious? Im not saying that personally but you seem very cut and dried and cant see theres any problem at all. Sometimes it pays to be open minded and even if you dont think it the case, very few things are 100 percent and theres always a chance even if a small percentage that you may be wrong.

Feb 14, 2016 -- 5:25PM, buddeliea wrote:

Yes Timtin,and now KV is out for the season.Did The horse get injured at the last fence? If so maybe Walsh should have pulled him up.If not......sorry Ruby.

What I meant is that a sign of a good jockey is when he still sits on the horse while the horse stumbles and in most cases falls. Amateur jockeys and even the King back in 1930-40 I can't remember where I've read it, was afraid and when the horse put his head down a bit and they simply roll-over. Good jockeys will always try to turn the situation around even when they're almost down, like with KV and maybe he would've been out of the season regardless, from what I know it has nothing to do with that incident(correct me if I'm wrong)

RBoyd86 I like making people laugh so that's fine with me, mine comments are not aimed at you and I've been wrong more than once and I certainly expect to be at least once more possibly twice

Huge over reaction.

No one is above scrutiny.
Evidence exists that Walsh could be vulnerable over a fence,noticeably at the last,and the more it happens the more it could affect him. He's still a darn good jockey,of course he is,but nevertheless he's is falling a fair bit lately and on high profile ones at that. See nowt wrong with people asking questions.
And I would still like to know exactly when KV got injured.
I'm sure Walsh would like it out in the open as well if it's nowt to do with him.

True budd. Maybe there's something to it. Ruby is smart enough to figure the score out. I just hope the twitter twits don't send him daft insults etc. He's one of the most informative folk out there, and he owes us nothing. Some nutters go doo lally when they lose a fiver.

Absolutely mate,he's not doing anything deliberately and he may well be just plain unlucky at times at the moment. We don't really know do we.
He certainly don't deserve a load of flak,it's a dangerous game being a jockey.
As long as people ask questions reasonably and with thought,all fine I would think.

I think the key phrase there is 'high profile' budd.
It's because it's Ruby and he's riding these big name horses that it gets noticed.
I'm no big fan of his, I find him taciturn and rather pleased with himself. I also don't like the influence he has over the placing of the stables horses to maximise his personal number of winners often to the detriment of the races themselves. But to suggest the winning machine that is the WPM yard would put up anything but the best on their horses seems entirely out of keeping with the ethos of that yard.
I think it's more likely to be simple variance. Like bad beats in poker, you remember them a lot more than you do when you were the lucky party and sometimes they all seem to arrive at once.
The only one of Mullin's that I've backed for the Festival so far is Vautour and I'm hoping Ruby picks him over Djakadam, if he is still swinging coming down to the last, I'll not be worried that Ruby is up - I'll be too busy looking to see how far back Don Poli is!

All jockeys get horses sent to different races, and well there's no point blaming them. BG & Cooper are the same.

Feb 14, 2016 -- 9:01PM, timtin wrote:

Feb 14, 2016 --  5:25PM, buddeliea wrote:Yes Timtin,and now KV is out for the season.Did The horse get injured at the last fence? If so maybe Walsh should have pulled him up.If not......sorry Ruby.What I meant is that a sign of a good jockey is when he still sits on the horse while the horse stumbles and in most cases falls. Amateur jockeys and even the King back in 1930-40 I can't remember where I've read it, was afraid and when the horse put his head down a bit and they simply roll-over. Good jockeys will always try to turn the situation around even when they're almost down, like with KV and maybe he would've been out of the season regardless, from what I know it has nothing to do with that incident(correct me if I'm wrong)

and to see what I mean see Pendleton in action: https://twitter.com/AtTheRaces/status/700721065706655744