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how she's never run in a champ hurdle is disappointing
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I agree with the Champion but the question remains what would happen now she is two years older, presumably stronger and with every chance she may settle better than she did when she finished second in the race? Maybe the same. Maybe better but in my view far too good to race against the mares.
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If she was yours and you wanted to win a G1 at Cheltenham Festival with her, which race would you run her in. Yep. Thats right . The answer is blindingly obvious. And thats where she will run.
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With all due respect the Mares is a dogshiit race. It was a once a year parade for Quevega. Annie is better than that.
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I think if she would have stood up last year, they would 100% be going for the World this year. But because she did fall, they'll want to get her in the winners enclosure at least once at the festival, so I think they'll take the easy route. They'll be gutted if she can't get a festival win considering how good she is.
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What price would you give VVM if she lined up instead of Annie at the Mares?
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Sadly it looks like she'll go for the World Hurdle now which decimates my Mullins accas I placed as long back at October.
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Quevega has a bar named after her at Cheltenham I believe?
Maybe owners want a burger bar named after AP if she can win two or three mares races. What a bloody balls up they are making of the career of this horse!! |
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What is the best race she has won thus far?
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vvm is bullet proof for the mares even more so than annie as she not rusty, cant have her winning ryanairs and stayers
why not have go at the stayers with annie if she bolts up weds and looks as good ever, im not totally convinced thistlecarck has beaten much and the handy 7lb. |
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hope your right BRYNE can see Thistle being over 2-1 which is a special bet at a special price. Also agree with others saying that one of the biggest disappointments of her falling was that i think if shed won they'd be more adventurious with there targets, but you no what there like with wanting to get a chelt win into there top mares.
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Eeternaloptimist - do you believe Annie Power is a better mare than Quevega ? Track record and ratings would suggest otherwise.
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Like said earlier on and repeated by another poster, RR said in an ATR interview more than once that if they can get a prep into AP then she would more than likely be going WH. It is a race WPM has never won and there is likely to be no MoT this year either. I have had a hunch this would happen since Xmas and although i never bet her on here in that race (she was 50s-70s at the time i first thought this too
) i have been nibbling at the lay button over in the mares at odds on. Premonitions for this race are she goes for it but gets beat, though even though i think that, i will be taking the 4/1 nrnb as it is a free bet and it is just in case i am wrong. I can also see an opening show not far off this T 7/4 AP 5/2 ADO 9/2 and given the army of fans AP has she's bound to be over bet and can honestly see her go off fav. A.P WH - VVM mares - both get beat is where i am at. VVM being one of or the only shortie to get turned over this year. There is always one or two  |
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AP for the WH makes more sense as she has experience at that level, and a good chance. If she wins then they're laughing, if she comes second the prize money for WH is same as money for winning mares. Also it gives her stablemate VVM a more suitable target. If mag went WH and never placed, and annie won 50k from mares, that's their whack. If mag won mares and annie came 1st or 2nd WH, that's 100-150k depending. It's a no brainer.
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* meant to say 2nd in WH prize money is same as winning mares
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Graeme83 I don't think cash is RR primary concern.
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RR doesn't train them. Mullins i'd imagine will decide the target.
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So Mullins is more interested in £££££? oh yeah I see that now
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If AP wins well on her prep on Wednesday, it gives WPM options and in his post race interview, that is exactly what he will say.
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Why wouldn't he think about prize money ? especially as the more financially beneficial option gives both his mares a target. VVM would be between a rock and a hard place without the mares race.
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Possibly? but surely VVM has the option of the Ryanair? and if AP did go to the mares hurdle then surely VVM would have more chance of winning the Ryanair than the WH?
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Depends on the opposition and how accurate her ratings are.
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Well unless in the highly likely event Vautour was rerouted to the Ryanair which would obviously rule out VVM there is no outstanding candidate in the Ryanair as Thistlecrack looks in the WH.
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Scandal from Mullins if he sends ap to world hurdle , he knows all the first day accas has ap in them , no respect for the punters at all
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Punters are nothing to do with this painter. You can't be serious john McEnroe style.
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Well she's a fair way behind on ratings in the Ryanair without Vautour.
Not her fault of course,she's not had the chance others have. But it is possible she's not as good as some seem to think she is,till she proves it. To be honest I don't really know what she's best at, does anyone? |
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VVM OR 155 so if you take into consideration the 7lb mares allowance she's not that far behind.
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Annie had been tested against Zarkandar. VVM hasn't really faced anything. If mag was good enough to win at chelt, she would have ptown/aintree options.
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True the allowance brings her nearer,but the allowance is there for a reason.
Anyway, I've seen her up close and she's impressive,so is AP. Both look like chasers to me. Wonder if AP will ever jump a fence,would love to see it. |
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vvm would have a horrible preperation if shes going the ryanair couldnt have her at all
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Yes because usually mares aren't as good as geldings but it didn't stop the likes of Flakey Dove, Dawn Run and ratings wise how often the horse with the top OR win the race? Last years Ryainair OR horses were Wishful Thinking 167 PU and Don Cossack 166 3rd.
Surely AP won't going chasing now she'll be 9 next Cheltenham very old for a novice chaser, especially a potentially good broodmare? |
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Yes because usually mares aren't as good as geldings but it didn't stop the likes of Flakey Dove, Dawn Run and ratings wise how often the horse with the top OR win the race? Last years Ryainair OR horses were Wishful Thinking 167 PU and Don Cossack 166 3rd.
Surely AP won't going chasing now she'll be 9 next Cheltenham very old for a novice chaser, especially a potentially good broodmare? |
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Annie Power is likely to be outstayed by Thistlecrack in the WH in my view. It would be a great shame for a mare as good as her to still not have a festival win in three years, especially when the mares race looks hers for the taking.
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VVM holds an entry for Ascot Chase next Sat (to be fair Mullins is mob handed as per) - be interesting to see if she features in the 5 day decs for that tomorrow.Would be a decent prep if they're serious about the Ryanair (Cue Card won it before he won Ryanair three years ago).
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Do t get me wrong slower,I'm not really a ratings man,just pointing out her position in relation to winning these races as by the ratings.
Yes she has her chances in all three possible races for her,just how much chance in each race probably depends on likely opposition and how much she will improve,as she needs to do according to ratings. As for chasing,probably too late now as you say,but would still love to see it. Think they may have missed out on that score......shame. |
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VVM not entered saturday. Think they want to see what happens weds with AP first. Speaking as an owner i would want to win a G1 race with AP which DN Mares race now is. Think we would run elsewhere if AP takes her chance in race but if VVM goes for mares race i would be much more inclined to take her on in mares - not proven on better ground and at track. Run or no run AP is bomb proof in mares. As big a certainty as last year or since quevega ran and if you only want a 100 or so on will be 4/5 on day w/ somm bookies. In stayers - she can definitely be beaten by Thistlecrack and if you want one to retain its unbeaten record from a broodmare perspective then you would want to win the G1 mares race IMO.
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2/1 annie getting matched
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Eeternaloptimist - do you believe Annie Power is a better mare than Quevega ? Track record and ratings would suggest otherwise.
Get them both at their best and I would indeed favour Annie. I doubt she'll achieve nearly as much now but that's related to keeping her sound rather than her ability. |
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In stayers - she can definitely be beaten by Thistlecrack and if you want one to retain its unbeaten record from a broodmare perspective then you would want to win the G1 mares race IMO.
Not sure how relevant this is here. Ricci won't be selling her, nor any of her offspring either unless it looks like they aren't going tot be any good. If both mares are fit and well in 4 weeks, then VVM in the Mares and AP in the World gives the owner, trainer and jockey the best chance of winning both. This may just depend on how AP performs on Wednesday and how confident connections are that they can win the Mares with VVM anyway. |