roi des francs.

Hope you're right, scoob. As you might remember, I was always keen for him to go to the RSA as I backed him after last years festival. You seem quite certain of his target - what are your thoughts? Always difficult to trust Giggy. Dare I ask what this leaves them for the 4 miler?

Rule The World?

Rule the world. Measure of my dreams.

Where is this info from?

I think Paddies have cut him for this race, budd.

So have victor.
Is that it Scooby?

NEWS FLASH......


Bookmakers cut horses for Cheltenham.......


How much of this do you believe? Sometimes I take it with a pinch of salt, I would love to know how much money they've actually taken???

I've backed this horse to win any race but I'd far rather have him in the NH Chase. Don't think he has the speed for the RSA. Good jumper but a grinder to me. Do they really think he can beat NMH? Mind you, O'Leary blew the 4 miler last year when he decided to take on Don Poli in the RSA with Wounded Warrior, so they are quite adept at putting them in the wrong race!

Well all I want to know is where this has come from, cos nowt on any racing sites that I know of.
If this is just PP and BV then I know to ignore it.

I won't go into a full long winded story but unless michael oleary said it in jest then the rsa is the target. I should rephrase the opening statement to I now believe that he's going rsa rather than its a fact he is.

When did he say this Scooby? As I say I have not seen it anywhere.

So PP have cut Roi Des Francs for the Sun Alliance, so if they knew this was his definite target surely they'd lengthen him for the 4miler??? Yet they still 6s

Well I for one believe everything that the O'Learys say. It would have to be exceptional circumstances for them to change their minds at the last minute and put us all away.

Trust what O'Leary says about their staying chasers at your peril. Less than a week before the Festival last year, Giggy declared that Wounded Warrior would contest the NH Chase. 2 days before the start of the meeting they changed their mind. They are perfectly capable of a major feck up.

Well I don't even know they have said anything...........Scooby??

Can we cut a long story short here?

Would be nice

I don't think that budd has asked an unreasonable question. I haven't seen anything in the public domain either....maybe I'm just not very observant!

Budd I would assume that Scooby is making reference to conversations not held in the public domain

I would want to be sure that O'Leary said he's definitely going RSA ... before I lump on for the 4 miler!

Correct joist, to be brief he said it in person as his best bet for the festival ew rsa.
theres 5 weeks to go, i know what can happen. I took all the prices on exchange hoping he says the same publicly.For what it's worth he wouldn't be my rsa winner but I'm inclined to take the prices about a horse I wasn't sure they were even considering rsa.

If the ground was desperate, he would have a chance at 3 miles. On Spring ground I think he would be outpaced but have a real chance in the NH Chase. Good jumper and stays very well.

So you are privy to info from Gigginstown.
Hope they are genuine then!!!

Budd, if I had the inside from Gigginstown, I'd be typing this from my yacht in the Bahamas! Maybe scooby does know O'Leary personally though if he does, I'm surprised he's posting on here.

My Mrs hopes there genuine, came home excited with a 20/1 ew betting slip and she dosent gamble. I'm sure eddie would be getting a piece of her mind in the parade ring if he was being saddled for the 4 miler.

No need to be so snarky imo, either take it or leave it, Scooby's only trying to help fellow forumites out.

Problem is no one knows anyone on here.
Fair enough if it's genuine,but also fair enough to be sceptical in my view.

Been many come on here over the years with rather differing motives with their posts.
Not a slur,as I don't know Scooby personally,and I sincerely apologise if I offend,but on a forum like this one has a right to wonder.

If anyone is interested i have some swampland i need to sell. Please contact me ASAP. Thx.

looks made for 4 miler im positive he has more class than BH

I seem to remember Paddy Power constantly changing their prices on Don Poli at this time last year for The RSA & NHC.

I tried helping out with some info on the forum a bit and was made to feel like i wish i hadn't bothered, i was just trying to help out like scooby and answer a question i had a little bit of info on that the poster/general public wasn't aware of... I must say this thread has been a lot more polite about questioning him, but at the end of the day info is info take it or leave it do what you want with it. Some people are genuine and just want to help others out.

I no that last statement on this forum is shocking as the general horse forum is like a male version of loose woman nowadays with every thread about bigmart and roida whoever they may be. I much prefer this forum (antipost and the chelt forum) as it seems like actual racing fans who want to share opinions and have an open discussion reg certain horses/races instead, compared to the horse forum who's main point of interest is bet editing and who is the worst tipster lol

Ive been following these threads for a while and and i would be pretty sure scooby has fingers in some pies/ or knows someone who's some one as he's put some horses up that you could only put up if you knew some one who knew something, one way or another, casing point would probably be putting up MIN at 25-1 and 50-1 for the big two races, there has been other examples that back this up, so it is not a one off lucky guess.

Fair points.
We would all appreciate info,the more the merrier,as long as it's genuine.
I agree that Sccoby seems genuine enough,but on here it's wise to be careful.
I have spent my life trusting peoples and its bitten me occasionally but,that's the way I am,but it's a lot harder when you have never met someone.

Just so you know I'm not saying back rdf. Just wouldn't back 4 miler until nrnb

RBoyd86 - this was not a little bit of info? Scooby91 said his Mrs knows EDDIE O'LEARY (who also owns the fav in the race) and he told her that Roi Des Francs was the best bet for the festival. His Mrs doesn't even gamble yet she came home with a AP bet slip for Roi Des Francs for the RSA @ 20/1.

Looks to me like he spotted that PP had cut RDF price and before he knew it he was digging himself a hole.

I'm relatively new here but i've been on chat rooms for years and what i like about this one is it seems devoid of egos and spoofers. No BS and some very knowledgeable folk. GL

Are you going to cheltenham  on the Tuesday maeldun?

No, why?

OK don't worry, was going to show some evidence on the request you'd owe me a pint , but it's pointless posting a pic up here when you can't see the person to match it.
Anyway good luck with your bets.

I tell you what Scooby91 i have some friends going on the Tuesday and i will get them to meet you and buy you a pint each. All you need to do is send me a copy of that bet slip dated yesterday. If you can't post a pic on here then just send it to me @ mael112@yahoo.com

I better make sure they meet you in the cheap bar.

Scooby keep posting mate and any info or snippets etc is appreciated here ! its up to the individual to interpret for themselves !

scooby - a lot of folks stuck up for you and me included - i know you have subsequently back tracked a little but i hope you can see how your original post comes across - it seems on the surface that you only went into more detail when really pressed - if he goes rsa then kudos to you - i reckon some on here that are a little unsure may be looking to see what happens with this one to make their minds up. I know your last post says you are not telling people to back rdf - but people on here are very bright knowledgeable people and smart enough to know that if runs in the RSA he will be a lot shorter than his current odds so what do you expect people to do if they trust you?????

Miltons, it don't think he will be alot shorter than currently, and I'd am at work so only use my phone when it can.
Maeldun i don't want use my email cos it has my full name in it, how do you post pics on here?

I have no strong opinion on what was said or may have been said but if O'Leary did say Sun Alliance there is always the possibility of him or someone else changing there mind. So to me it's all conjecture.

Scooby91 -  Don't worry i won't be sharing your full name with anyone so email is fine as i don't think you can post pics on these forums AFAIK. Anyhow how can my friends buy you those pints without a name.

ok scoob - have to disagree on the price - in a year thats likely to lack depth but not important - anyhow if you're right i will be the first to applaud you gl

slower yes it is conjecture but if scooby is right at the relative prices for both races it would be a fair shout dont you agree?

Just for me I wouldn't be at all interested in him for the Sun Alliance but for anyone that is he obviously won't 25s on the day if turning up. WPM gets a lot of stick for changing plans and not informing the public soon enough and to be honest, personally I don't have a problem with it as it's part and parcel of ante post betting. The thing is Gigginstown are just as difficult to read, I'll admit to a financial interest but last year when they diverted Wounded Warrior from the 4 miler to take on Don Poli???? After that anything is possible from them but I'm not complaining because that's the risk to taking a big price.

i think he is an interesting horse - always thought 4 miler - but wouldnt put many in front of him on testing ground for RSA - and clerk of course has warned us that the course will not be able to cope with rain anywhere near as well as previous years so i think we have to have horses like him on our minds this year.

Well I've heard MOL is telling everyone close to him to back NHM for the RSA so I'll trust my sources on this one.

I just be amazed if he could beat NMH over 3m but that's just me.

I'd

Maeldun,  I don't want to use my email for private reasons, even if I can upload on here, if you screen shot it has the bet Id in it, and as my Mrs works for a betting company, I know what happens if you post that online. if I copy and paste, by the time my Mrs is home from work I might aswell of just written it myself apart from the font.
I'm happy to take the loss and anyone who doubts that's fine by me.
Anyway really hope he runs there as it's not just my Mrs who's backed him either it's all the staff of the same company in the local area.

Scooby91 - Fair enough and good luck with your bets too.

slower - agree  nmh is the one id still have ahead on testing ground - but would like to have them both on my side

slower - agree  nmh is the one id still have ahead on testing ground - but would like to have them both on my side

With a race like the RSA, the form is by and large there for all to see so everyone can make their own minds up.  If it was a handicap and under the radar, as you get nearer to the off, there will be whispers from every yard, as to which one is ahead of the handicapper etc.

Whether RDF turns up in the RSA, I think he'd struggle to beat NHM or MoT anyway.  I'd rather use my own judgement on these things, and if I'm worng, then it's my fault, not someone elses because they told me duff information.  That's just my perspective anyway.

He comes out pretty even with Killultagh Vic on last years Martin Pipe, but I don't think he has necessarily progressed as well as Killultagh Vic and No More Heroes since Cheltenham.

But Scoob, you put that info on here to try and help people, so you shouldn't be knocked for that.  If it helps people understand targets, then it can only be positive.  Whether people want to steam in on this info is another thing...

wc - i think helpfulness and positive intent are two different things - we have all given advice with positive intent that has proven to be unhelpful - whenever we give advice - whether intentionally or not we have to accept that we will be judged by some on the effectiveness of the advice irrespective of intent. Surely there will be fans of RDF out there that may have had him on their mind for both races that may be swayed by others on which race - if i was the one doing the swaying i would accept my accountability - i would say blame me if i am wrong - there is upside when things go right so only fair that there is downside when they dont???

Miltons I agree. I'll take the blame if he went 4 miler, obviously I'll be annoyed myself with backing him.
If he goes what price will he be rsa?
I'd say 12/1-16/1 on the day.

Assuming Scooby is not lying (I have no reason to believe that you are), there has to be the caveat that all information was true at the point it was told, but a lot can happen between now and then.

So if Scooby was told the RSA is the preference, that is the truth as it stands.   However, if Willie has a change of heart because Black Hercules absolutely hacks up at Navan at the weekend, then RDF may then switch back to the 4 miler, that is not to say Scooby's information was wrong in the first place, but circumstances change.

When you've got the dilemna of more horses than the number of races (eg fitting 3 into 2 races) there is always the risk that plans will change.

so in complete candour - i think he is underestimated - i had him in mind for the 4 miler more than rsa but marginally and was still undecided and have been swayed by you - i am an adult and have allowed myself to be swayed with open eyes - not because i lack independent thinking but because i am choosing to trust you have solid info - if he runs in rsa i will be the first to say well done and thank you.

Re price i think he will start 3rd fav if he goes rsa - unless ground is on good side - in which case i couldnt have him anyway. But on soft i think 8s biggest as i see this race really cutting up and mot drifting like barge on soft

At the start of the season i held out high hopes for a competitive rsa, although final decisions are still to be made i can see this being the least
competitive and shallowest of all 4 races. I think this race needs outlander and BH to spice it up but think thats unlikely

Funny how we all have so different opinions! I think this is a deep race, but that the two market leaders are very take-on-able...

I like RDF but do think decent ground would be an issue, which is off-putting when you're betting this far out. Of course the price will go and he may well start 10-1 on the day, but if it turned up nice ground I'd want more than that...

Re Scooby and his info - I think it's a brave thing to do, to inform others of something like this, as it can all fly in your face when you are only trying to help. I don't for one minute doubt that Scooby is genuine, but have learned the hard way not to trust any information until I've seen anything in print, attributed to connections. I also take on board what wellchief says, in that information can be correct at the time it is passed on, but that things may well change after it has been. Good luck to Scooby and everyone else jumping on board.

One thing about the RSA in recent times, it is not always the "classiest" horse that wins it (I know he won the Gold Cup, but I'd hardly call Lord Windermere "classy", Bostons Angel was slow as an old boat, and O'Failons Boy had (what I perceive) to be classier ones in behind).

With RDF, you know he'll get every inch of the trip and he is the type that will appreciate a gruelling stamina race; but I'm just not sure a 1.5 length win over Pont will be good enough against NMH and MoT; especially when his OR is higher than most previous winners of the 4 miler.

wc - agree if you take a literal view of the race against pa. I just think the horse is on the up and would expect there to be a fair amount of improvement to come yet - interesting to know how many horses people would put ahead of him in a testing ground rsa?

I think he's got a good chance in a soft ground RSA, which is why I put the stamina test above as a positive.  I've already made my play in this a while ago, so I won't be backing anything else, but if I didn't have a bet, RDF is currently a good price, but I'd want NRNB first.

I'd personally would want him in the 4 miler, because I think he has a great profile for that.  Just in the RSA if it came up soft he has a bit to find with NHM (based on a line through Monksland and Sub Lieutenant) and if it is good ground, they'll probably all struggle to live with MoT.

Feb 10, 2016 -- 7:00AM, buddeliea wrote:

Fair points.We would all appreciate info,the more the merrier,as long as it's genuine.I agree that Sccoby seems genuine enough,but on here it's wise to be careful.I have spent my life trusting peoples and its bitten me occasionally but,that's the way I am,but it's a lot harder when you have never met someone.

Born and bred in newmarket where everyman and his dog knows a bit of "info"! when i was a lot younger i learned the hard way who to listen too, I can count on one hand who i trust reg info. Reg my info on emotionless my misses works for darley /godolphin now a joint company so thats why i shared how he'd come out of his op.

Paul Jones ‏@CheltFestNews

In RP interview with Michael O'Leary he states "Roi Des Francs will run too (in the RSA), I think" thus would be joining his No More Heroes.


Looks a man of his word

Apparently O'Leary when asked what goes for the 4miler he replied "none of my good horses".

O'Leary talked utter sh!te re Wounded Warrior's target last year, so take anything he says with a pinch of salt.

Absolutely right Sankara. I think on the Saturday before the fez, WW was in the NH Chase and on the Sunday, he was in the RSA!

Barrowload of monkeys. Take the O'Leary's word at your peril. No wonder Willie doesn't have a clue where his Giggy horses run till the death, no doubt much to RW's annoyance. Not a pinch of salt, a whole feckin packet of Saxo!

It was closer than that. It wasn't until the final decs were made that the full treachery was revealed

I bow to your superior knowledge delsie but they fecked up. With a clear round, WW would have won the NH Chase with a leg tied up. Maybe Giggy just don't like the race.

I have RDF to win any race. He has a real chance in one race and not a dogs one in the other unless NMH and MOT bomb out.

His comments about identity thief! He doesn't think he's good enough! Another example of why Ricci deserves a lot of respect, he actually has so much time for us punters

Bookies ain't taking much notice.
Much bigger for RSA than NH Chase is RTF.

Would not trust one word from O'leary.

"No More Heroes
He’s been great and I’d agree that he’s exactly the kind of horse we try to buy. He’s where we want him to be but the RSA looks a good race this year and he’ll have it all to do.
More Of That brings World Hurdle form to the race and maybe we’re a bit unfortunate to be taking on a very good World Hurdle winner. Roi Des Francs will run too, I think; he has clearly earned a shot at a Grade 1 title and especially one that will involve stamina".


I think it's very obvious why he's a much bigger price for rsa rather than 4 miler.
Because if he ran in 4 miler he would face a much lesser opposition. In the rsa he's in with a shout but he's not a house hold name. Ie he ran in the martin pipe which isn't shown on terrestrial tv, rather than winning a world hurdle or running as one of the favs for the albert bartlett and winning trials on terrestrial tv.

Giggingstown philosophy is grade 1 chases and they are not afraid to go mob handed to achieve this.

I think we all know Gigginstown don't mind running horses in the same race.
Think we all know how to take what they say as well!!

Fair point about the prices,but I still think the bookies pretty much ignore this lots comments,as do most of us.......I hope!!

Pretty obvious where he's going now.
Over £100 to back at 16.6 on here and 90.0 to lay