scooby - a lot of folks stuck up for you and me included - i know you have subsequently back tracked a little but i hope you can see how your original post comes across - it seems on the surface that you only went into more detail when really pressed - if he goes rsa then kudos to you - i reckon some on here that are a little unsure may be looking to see what happens with this one to make their minds up. I know your last post says you are not telling people to back rdf - but people on here are very bright knowledgeable people and smart enough to know that if runs in the RSA he will be a lot shorter than his current odds so what do you expect people to do if they trust you?????

I have no strong opinion on what was said or may have been said but if O'Leary did say Sun Alliance there is always the possibility of him or someone else changing there mind. So to me it's all conjecture.

ok scoob - have to disagree on the price - in a year thats likely to lack depth but not important - anyhow if you're right i will be the first to applaud you gl

slower yes it is conjecture but if scooby is right at the relative prices for both races it would be a fair shout dont you agree?

i think he is an interesting horse - always thought 4 miler - but wouldnt put many in front of him on testing ground for RSA - and clerk of course has warned us that the course will not be able to cope with rain anywhere near as well as previous years so i think we have to have horses like him on our minds this year.

I just be amazed if he could beat NMH over 3m but that's just me.

Maeldun,  I don't want to use my email for private reasons, even if I can upload on here, if you screen shot it has the bet Id in it, and as my Mrs works for a betting company, I know what happens if you post that online. if I copy and paste, by the time my Mrs is home from work I might aswell of just written it myself apart from the font.
I'm happy to take the loss and anyone who doubts that's fine by me.
Anyway really hope he runs there as it's not just my Mrs who's backed him either it's all the staff of the same company in the local area.

slower - agree  nmh is the one id still have ahead on testing ground - but would like to have them both on my side

With a race like the RSA, the form is by and large there for all to see so everyone can make their own minds up.  If it was a handicap and under the radar, as you get nearer to the off, there will be whispers from every yard, as to which one is ahead of the handicapper etc.

Whether RDF turns up in the RSA, I think he'd struggle to beat NHM or MoT anyway.  I'd rather use my own judgement on these things, and if I'm worng, then it's my fault, not someone elses because they told me duff information.  That's just my perspective anyway.

He comes out pretty even with Killultagh Vic on last years Martin Pipe, but I don't think he has necessarily progressed as well as Killultagh Vic and No More Heroes since Cheltenham.

But Scoob, you put that info on here to try and help people, so you shouldn't be knocked for that.  If it helps people understand targets, then it can only be positive.  Whether people want to steam in on this info is another thing...

Miltons I agree. I'll take the blame if he went 4 miler, obviously I'll be annoyed myself with backing him.
If he goes what price will he be rsa?
I'd say 12/1-16/1 on the day.

so in complete candour - i think he is underestimated - i had him in mind for the 4 miler more than rsa but marginally and was still undecided and have been swayed by you - i am an adult and have allowed myself to be swayed with open eyes - not because i lack independent thinking but because i am choosing to trust you have solid info - if he runs in rsa i will be the first to say well done and thank you.

Re price i think he will start 3rd fav if he goes rsa - unless ground is on good side - in which case i couldnt have him anyway. But on soft i think 8s biggest as i see this race really cutting up and mot drifting like barge on soft

At the start of the season i held out high hopes for a competitive rsa, although final decisions are still to be made i can see this being the least
competitive and shallowest of all 4 races. I think this race needs outlander and BH to spice it up but think thats unlikely

One thing about the RSA in recent times, it is not always the "classiest" horse that wins it (I know he won the Gold Cup, but I'd hardly call Lord Windermere "classy", Bostons Angel was slow as an old boat, and O'Failons Boy had (what I perceive) to be classier ones in behind).

With RDF, you know he'll get every inch of the trip and he is the type that will appreciate a gruelling stamina race; but I'm just not sure a 1.5 length win over Pont will be good enough against NMH and MoT; especially when his OR is higher than most previous winners of the 4 miler.

I think he's got a good chance in a soft ground RSA, which is why I put the stamina test above as a positive.  I've already made my play in this a while ago, so I won't be backing anything else, but if I didn't have a bet, RDF is currently a good price, but I'd want NRNB first.

I'd personally would want him in the 4 miler, because I think he has a great profile for that.  Just in the RSA if it came up soft he has a bit to find with NHM (based on a line through Monksland and Sub Lieutenant) and if it is good ground, they'll probably all struggle to live with MoT.

Paul Jones ‏@CheltFestNews

In RP interview with Michael O'Leary he states "Roi Des Francs will run too (in the RSA), I think" thus would be joining his No More Heroes.


Looks a man of his word

O'Leary talked utter sh!te re Wounded Warrior's target last year, so take anything he says with a pinch of salt.

It was closer than that. It wasn't until the final decs were made that the full treachery was revealed

His comments about identity thief! He doesn't think he's good enough! Another example of why Ricci deserves a lot of respect, he actually has so much time for us punters

"No More Heroes
He’s been great and I’d agree that he’s exactly the kind of horse we try to buy. He’s where we want him to be but the RSA looks a good race this year and he’ll have it all to do.
More Of That brings World Hurdle form to the race and maybe we’re a bit unfortunate to be taking on a very good World Hurdle winner. Roi Des Francs will run too, I think; he has clearly earned a shot at a Grade 1 title and especially one that will involve stamina".


I think it's very obvious why he's a much bigger price for rsa rather than 4 miler.
Because if he ran in 4 miler he would face a much lesser opposition. In the rsa he's in with a shout but he's not a house hold name. Ie he ran in the martin pipe which isn't shown on terrestrial tv, rather than winning a world hurdle or running as one of the favs for the albert bartlett and winning trials on terrestrial tv.

Giggingstown philosophy is grade 1 chases and they are not afraid to go mob handed to achieve this.

Pretty obvious where he's going now.
Over £100 to back at 16.6 on here and 90.0 to lay