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Everyone makes mistakes, I would love a poll of the top jockeys and trainers who they would rate as the best horseman, it would be very interesting. I'm a big fan of RW because I regard him as the best jockey and horseman around at the moment by some way. Just my opinion and like I say everyone's entitled to theirs it just doesn't make it right.
I do find it laughable that anyone would blame RW for VL on Saturday, apart from superglue don't see a lot more anyone could have done. Ms Arctic Fire was a last hurdle faller as well. |
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Milton I am a fan and I do well backing his mounts and I would be always be happy if he rather than any other jockey is on my one. Independent data is yes ok but it has to tell the whole story.
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slower - you are proving my point - you are talking about polling people - thats anecdotal - i am not having a go nor am i saying RW is not the best - i think anecdotes play their part and certainly add emotion and interest but measuring effectiveness is becoming more scientific and data driven in many sports and imagine its only a matter of time before it starts playing a much bigger role in measuring a jockeys effectiveness.
And thank you for correcting me on arctic fire - i couldnt remember if it was last or second last so didnt want to unnecessarily upset anyone by putting it in the last fence list i know how sensitive this stuff is |
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arkle - yes it does and at the moment it doesnt get anywhere close - so we dont actually know much about a jockey other than at a macro level - but fwiw if i had to trust my financial future to one jockey rw would be second in my list - but mine is a completely meaningless opinion
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Don't worry like RW we all make mistakes, so as matter of interest MS who's you no.1?
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By the way it's not at all sensitive to me but Paul Townend and Arctic Fire aren't opinions just facts like the data you'd like.
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I think P Carberry is top jockey, someone who if was as driven as AP or RW could have been possibly better than either.
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slower - it was just a list off the top of my head - wow you are some hard marker
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Very
 if you are making a case against someone the facts have to be right, otherwise you are only adding fuel to an already uncontrollable fire. I'll forgive you MS |
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slower - just to show i can match you for pedantry - many would say that more drive wouldnt have made him better just more successful
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wasnt aware i was making a case against anyone - think thats what i mean by sensitivity
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P.Carberry is one of the if not the coolest jock ive ever witnessed imo! Top jockey, completely agree there!
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I personally think PC could have been better and not just more successful and that's not trying to save my remark. I was lucky enough to a few years ago have shares in horses and was with a certain Irish trainer who was based in the North who for a short time had PC riding almost as stable jockey. PC was an amazing judge of a horse who had a brilliant ability to tell the trainer where to run his horses. Around this time we all enjoyed a great time betting wise 99% thanks to PCs judgement. But lets just say PC enjoyed himself too much to reach the heights his undoubted talents could have. A top man and top jockey, who in my opinion could been a better and more successful jockey but who am I to say, he enjoyed himself and fair play to him.
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Sorry MS case was probably the wrong term and you can say whatever you like because I'm too thick to be sensitive
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But can't forgive you blaming poor old side lined Ruby for Boston Bob
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slower 100% agree he could have been better than he was - my comment was in reference to your comparison to rw and ap not to himself - if that makes sense
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fair point - wasnt after he had a bad fall was it |
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somehow suspect oyu would quite like to be underestimated - not happening here im afraid
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Ok I honestly think PC has more natural talent than either AP or RW and just feel is he was as driven as those two are could have been the best but that's just me.
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Milton it would appear PFN convinced Ruby that a handicapper of his had stones of improvement in him and Ruby deserted BB. Its no wonder Ruby left him.
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just about definition of better - who was better gazza or p nev - p nev would win on nearly every tangible measure of success - but for me gazza was better
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Yes I do understand that MS but I'm saying if PC had been as single minded in his career as the other two he could have been regarded as the best. Gazza was obviously more talented but had a Timeform sguiggle or 2
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think timeform would have to have come up with a whole new category for gazza - a nipper reed on steroids - i agree that beacuse pc is pc it is up for debate debate whereas imo if he had the application of rw or ap there would be no debate
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We often here people stating that the trainer knows more than us and that statement is usually used in the context of a put down to others questioning what race to run a horse in.
The question of which jockey is being entrusted with these precious commodities is the most fundamental aspect of the whole game, so with that in mind, if Mullins/Ricci and Co are happy to let Walsh ride, then so am I.  |
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Carberry may be an idiot who wasted most of his talent, but he has more natural ability than any of his contemporaries imo.
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Oh, and I backed Valseur Lido for the Gold Cup months ago. Had almost consigned the slips to the bin. Still don't see him threatening tbh.
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20/1 now
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