8-1 soft ground

with spoyles btw - no good for me as barred but others may benefit

On tueday only or any Festival day?

usually its official going for first race on day one - other layer is 9-2 so quite a difference of opinion

Not a bad shout.

They'll try and get it good to soft, through watering if necessary (and please don't start crying about it. It's been this way for years. Deal with it!)

The only think that could kybosh the whole deal is if they water up to the Thursday say, see there's due to be rain for the weekend beforehand, and it p1sses stairods for Friday, Saturday, Sunday and Monday.

It'll never be (declared as) anything better than good to soft on the Tuesday, but anything worse than that is out of Claisse's control and therefore worth looking at

be interesting to see what the slowest g-s supreme has been to see precisely how far he will go out of his way - i would do the research but got to pick my daughter up from school - if i had an account would have a cheeky score

I am pretty sure the going was good (good to soft in places) quite recently and hence to the g/s pay out didnt land

2000 good
01 void
02 good
03 good
04 good
05 good to soft
06 good
07 soft
08 g to s
09 g to s
10 g to s
11 good
12 good
13 soft
14 g to s
15 g to s

2 in the last 9 soft then. Agree 8-1 looks value

If I could bet with Boyles I'd definitely have a few bob on this for an interest.

Feb in the south is supposed to be dry an colder as the month progresses.
It has to rain on the Sunday and Monday for it to be soft.

interesting ccm- i wonder if thats how sj arrived at 9-2

2 of from 9 makes a 7/2 shot if that was deemed to be the norm, but it's also 2 of the last 11, which makes 9/2. 8/1 looks overpriced, but Boyles don't like me either unfortunately.

2 in the last 20 festivals and one of those it was changed at 3 15 from soft to good to soft.

AC - you are absolutely right of course - off to book maths evening classes and measure my head for my dunces hat

I actually looked up the Cheltenham ground in relation to 'El Nino' weather events ... this proves beyond any doubt that I'm a very sad individual....


results... Since 2000, El Niño events have been observed in 2002–03, 2004–05, 2006–07, 2009–10 and 2015–16

and if you trend the last 20 years good is disappearing and soft should be 2nd fav

Good is dissapearing because of watering,soft will always be in the description.

exactly and its taking out a high percentage of the market at 5-2 - havent worked out what the remaining % is

I agree ms. It's hard to see it being anything other than good to soft or soft. On which basis, soft has to be a decent punt for a few quid at 8-1.

C'mon now boys, surely there's enough other things to be betting on/discussing?
Has anyone any views on whether Vautour will stay?

come on DO a little unfair we also have what race he will run in, who will ride him and what price he will start - any more variety and we'll need bruce forsyth to host

Why is there no market on whether Vautour will use a Bic or Zippo to light his cigar as he canters past the winning post?

apparently hes given up - new years resolution!!!

Probably wise, he looked a bit short of breath over the last 50 yards at Kempton. Now he's on the patches, surely he'll stay at Chelters? Oh gawd, not another angle! 200 posts later......

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Desmond Orchard
     03 Feb 16 14:36 
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Why is there no market on whether Vautour will use a Bic or Zippo to light his cigar as he canters past the winning post? 


He'll need all his puff to get out of his iron lung to be dragging on cigars

Tried to put £20 on but was told I could only have £4.50 so I didn't bother.

That's why they are offering 8s another joke firm

Couldnt get on this bet myself... but looking a good shout now.... 50/50 chance of Good to Soft or Soft now.

Good luck!

Good to soft and firming during the week looks the call now with no rain forecast other than a possible splash on Thursday.
Would they water the Gold Cup course during the meeting if needed?

Yeah good to soft most likely, but seeing what Claisse last said, there wont be much between good to soft and soft... and its now not forecast to be quite as warm as it said.

Yes, appreciate that but do you know if watering could take place during the meeting were it needed?
(Especially as night temperatures are set to be only a touch above freezing).

No idea tbh.... but doubt it looking at the forecast.