It's nothing to do with once beaten, everyone wants to win at Cheltenham and keeping Vautour, Faugheen apart in their novice season resulted in two wins which is better than one! Then last year Faugheen, Vautour and UDS resulted in three wins, hard to argue with that! But still you lot bleet!!!

...and it's entirely Mullins and his owners prerogative to do as he see fits

....for the hard-of-thinking,

Well I'm glad to be one of the hard of thinking, rather than one of do as pleases us!

I could maybe accept UDS not running in the Churdle,had the reason be viable.
To give the reason as too weak,and at the same time send him to France.....twice,one of which was over 2 and a half miles!!and the only time in his career where he struggled to win, being a fair way out his comfort zone.Sure we all agree he's a 2 miler.
I'm afraid that just don't bring true as far as I am concerned. To run once over 2m in England at Cheltenham would have been easier for the horse,even in the Churdle,
And lets face it, his way of running would have meant that it mattered not one jot who was in the race as they would all have been behind him anyway.
Had they caught him and passed him and he showed he could not cope,he could have ben eased down once his race had gone.
Personally I don't think they would have got to him anyway, but alas we will never know.

I firmly believe he was campaigned to protect Hfly,and not one person,be it his trainer,his owner,or Joe Bloggs on here can make me think differently.

All about opinions,that's mine.

By the way.......anyone know why Faugheen never ran in the big irish races before his pretty comfortable Churdle victory? Anything to do with Hfly by any chance??

And why has Djakadam dodged the big races so far this season? Protecting Vautour? Don Poli?

Extraordinary arrogance, budd. The thought that you know UDS and what's good for him better than Mullins is laughable. On the verge of becoming the most dominant trainer in NH history (if he's not there already)and you don't care what he thinks or says because you're right.

Beating Gemix by a whisker in receipt of 8lbs showed what most of us suspected, and Mullins knew, that, fine horse though he is, he's no Champion Hurdler. End of.

slower - of course my opinion is not fact - i am pretty sure that i posted that we dont know for sure what wpm was thinking - that is 100% acknowledging that i recognise my opinion is not fact - my reference to lie detector was further recognition that my opinion is just that an opinion as is yours -  obviously he is not going to take a lie detector test - i said only to illustrate the point that we will never know for sure You called me arrogant and cyclops called me ignorant - had i shown you similar disrespect i would accuse you of being gullible and lacking independent thinking for taking wpm at face value - i didnt do this for two reasons 1) that would be unfair and highly disrespectful to you and 2) i recognise your conviction is as strong as mine despite neither of us having proof and you are absolutely entitled to yours without being insulted. Not believing everything wpm says is not the same as thinking i know more than him - it just means i dont always believe him - so accuse me of a lack of trust but not arrogance - even geniuses and pioneers can be economoical with the truth at times.

I have noticed a trend on this forum that supporters of WPM are quick to get a little personal when others raise any viewpoint that in any way questions anything to do with WPM.  I see Budd used the term bonkers some posts back - i dont agree with that either - though i would say that reading his posts it is very rare for him to disrespect others. so slower/cyclops gl to you both, you both have huge admiration for the genius that is wpm and clearly trust him implicitly and sorry that my failure to demonstrate the same level of trust and the strength of my conviction upset you. 

I fully acknowledge that to change my opinion i would need proof which will not materialise - i sense that you and cyclops are the same with your conviction - totally respect that guys

slower very good that

MS in an earlier post you said Please don't defend them you're missing the point!!! Seems pretty arrogant to me. The facts are I'm not a WM fan I just think in the last 3 years his whole operation has taken things to another level. But he still gets slated and the suggestion of lie detector?? I find that scandalous to be honest, he doesn't have to justify himself to anyone. Just because he won't run his best horses against each other.

By the way.......anyone know why Faugheen never ran in the big irish races before his pretty comfortable Churdle victory? Anything to do with Hfly by any chance??

Yeah avoiding running them against each other to give them an overly hard preparation race before finally meeting in the CH and in the process winning two races instead of having 1st and 2nd in one! Pretty logical but doesn't please some of the racing public, boo hoo

I remember when I was a boy I used to run for a club and one thing my coach didn't like was what he called pothunters.

eternal - yes you are right - rp comment 'but what remains a clear fact is that she has a high cruising speed, one that means she surely wouldnt be disgraced if lining up for the CH - they went on to say the mares would be a shoo in if Q didnt make it - but obviously Q did and the rest is history

This is my thread, end it now lol

Penzance don't be so ridiculous, a lot of people on here have the right to

But the point is even if RR wasn't allowed to have all his horses with WM it still wouldn't mean they would race against each other! RR would rather have 2 winners at Cheltenham than a 1st and 2nd.

Suggest away but till you pay the bills it don't mean s##t and don't all get upset because you don't get your dream race!

UDS has always been a headcase with serious potential. Thankfully he's in the right hands and, step by step he's starting to show how good he is. His performance last weekend was a stone better than he was in Cheltenham and Punchestown last year and I have no doubt he was a better horse last year ( gradually learning to settle) than when hurdling in 2014. The decision (WPM said he never seriously considered it) to avoid Cheltenham was correct as beating Gemix a nose while receiving 8lbs wasn't a champion hurdle performance and it came a few weeks after Cheltenham.As always with him, the horse improved plenty for that experience.

Similarly with Faugheen, why would WPM have wanted to take on the Fly, but also the reigning champion Jezki at that time? Faugheen would have to have produced a champion hurdle winning performance, straight out of novice company, and with jumping issues when there were more sensible, easier grade 1s in the UK from which he could improve.

Reading through this thread it looks as though many have no idea of the work that goes into these horses and the rate of improvement that they can find over time when in the right hands.They don't just appear on the scene as the finished article, ready to take on the world. WPM is a genius imo, and until another trainer shows me a better way of training racehorses, I'm going to trust his judgement and his reasoning above all others.

Firstimevisor please leave this thread for talking sense!

Very well said and couldn't agree with you more, you are seeing the bigger picture, which unfortunately some can't.

Starting to show how good he is?
That's quiet comical,he was doing that 3 years ago!!

Now there's a thought!!

Oh I am not sure he would have won the race,but I am as sure as I can be that he deserved to run in the race.
My gut feeling is they would not have got to him,but that is obviously open to a fair amount of question.
Just seeing him from the front the way he ran his races then,that would have been something......win or lose.

It's my biggest enjoyment in the sport, front running champion hurdlers playing catch me if you can,it don't come along very often.
I felt cheated.