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Shaneshill was definitely the better of the two in bumpers, and probably the better of the two over hurdles, but he just hasn't really impressed over fences yet and certainly hasn't looked a natural.
It may simply be that KV is a better chaser than Shaneshill. It's difficult to tell from the TV, but KV looks to have more range and scope than Shaneshill. |
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As I posted on the other thread, I just don't understand why Shaneshill is getting stick for his jumping. Jumped beautifully on debut and only made one mistake at the second last, which then affected his confidence coming to the last, last time. Still won easily enough. KV made a bad mistake but that isn't being mentioned?
I think Shaneshill was always a Chaser in the making and whatever he did in Bumpers and over Hurdles was always a bonus. He's definitely being under rated for me now. His cause form also looks much better quality than KV's to me. |
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See, I wasn't overly impressed with his debut CCM. Thought he looked alright but nothing more.
I'm a big fan of the horse and am firmly in the camp that he probably would have won the Neptune had he run in it. |
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I think it is very difficult to compare them based on chase form.
Both have had easy races on paper, and both have been impressive in very different ways imo. KV seems a lot more flashy, putting huge leaps in, and tanking along on the bridle. Shaneshill has gone about his business in a much more quiet and efficient, but equally impressive way; he's never been a flashy horse (he's Ireland's Garde La Victoire!) Two completely different horses. You could make a case for either; L'ami Serge would be the main danger imo, and potentially better than both of them, but for my wallet, I really need him in the Arkle! |
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Me too chief. Decent bets on Serge for the Arkle and both Shaneshill and KV for the JLT. Serge winning the JLT would mean he would no longer be a friend of mine!
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Think you are harder to please than me then Tory! Good comparison with GLV chief, that's exactly what he is. My only worry with him is that he might be a bit one paced, his jumping just isn't even on my mind as an issue. I think he's one of the best novices about I that dept.
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Willie will likely leave one of his good 2.5m novices at home for the Powers Gold Cup ten days after Cheltenham - possibly Outlander ?
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KV way too short now have backed him at bigger odds,but Shaneshill should be Fav imo.
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People still go on a bit about what Ruby might ride. Wrt riding arrangements at Cheltenham is simple - Ruby will want to ride the best horse AND WM will also want Ruby on the best horse ie the horse with the best chance of winning and he, WM, made a reference to that a few weeks back but it was misconstrued by some.
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Misses festival according to RP
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Yep,injured
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If you could get NRNB, I would be all over MoT for this now.
Blows the race wide apart. Of the likely runners, I'd normally go straight to Shaneshill, but his run last time was too bad to be true. If he had missed the Donny race, he'd be a short price fav in this now. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a change of heart with Vaniuteux to split him and L'Ami; this looks a much more winnable race now. Sad thing is I put up Outlander at 25's in the Shaneshill thread ages ago, but as I was sitting pretty on a KV voucher, I didn't take the insurance |
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LS and V are both Arkle horses,have been all season Chief.
Don't see why that should change now with or without KV. |
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I agree with bud. Think Serge would be the most likely to switch to the JLT as Vaniteux looks like he barely gets 2m, never mind further, but with the owners having Bristol de Mai, that just won't happen.
Still think Shaneshill can run a big race myself. He's got a fine record at the Festival. |
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Just with last time the jockey saying he was took off his feet at the start at Doncaster, and they did say he'd get further after his first win.
I still expect him to line up in the Arkle, but the JLT looks a lot easier than it did an hour ago, with the trainer having nothing in it, but two against a really good one in the Arkle. |
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Wc. I agree NJH would be keen on the idea, but don't think either of his owners will be!
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After Kempton debut:
"He will get further but doesn't need it as he has got plenty of gears" After Doncaster: De Boinville said: "He's a very nice horse. He was slightly taken off his feet early but we went a really good clip and it was a strong trial. Just food for thought. And yes, CCM, because the owner has BDM, Vaniteux would be the one to switch. Again, not saying he will, but you can't rule anything out. |
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Do you think Vaniteux gets further though mate? I don't think he does myself.
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Either that or he's too slow for an Arkle
 I don't think he was stopping at the end of Doncaster anyway. I could never fancy a horse for an Arkle when he is taken off his feet in a trial - reminds me of Al Ferof where it all went to quick for him. |
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Nor do I.
To be honest KV is no horse to avoid anyway, hardly a superstar. |
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Al Ferof was in the lead,Ruby for some reason thought it was the way to go,although but for the error we will never know if it would have worked.
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Ruby needed to use AF's stamina in the Arkle because he knew he wouldn't have the speed to live with Sprinter and Cue Card.
Anyway, that's digging up old arguments, but if a jockey says Shaneshill and Arzal are taking Vaniteux off his feet, he'll get well outpaced against Douvan, and if L'ami Serge turns up. Killultagh Vic is no superstar but he was on a very big upward curve, and no doubt the number 1 Mullins horse in the race. |
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Ruby cocked up(imo).......but as you say digging up old arguments.
Just run the 2 milers in the 2m race. LS could get further,but BDM stops him doing that. |
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I'd go RSA with BDM, reckon the likely better ground may well get him outpaced JLT, L'ami would be JLT bound for me, keep coming back to that interview from a couple weeks back, looked like they were looking for excuses then "shame he's around at the same time as Douvan".
It sounded that they were already resigned to being defeated by Douvan, BDM has made it awkward, but, Van in the Arkle, L'ami in the JLT and BDM in the RSA, sounds better than Van and L'ami in the Arkle and BDM in the JLT, IMO. |
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The trainers are playing their cards very close to their chest eg NMH, MTOY, LS, etc; if something is amiss with either of the Dons NMH could be rerouted to the CGC, if not, MTOY could go for the JLT - if still without a prep - to avoid NMH; if ground is very soft, BDM to the Arkle and LS to JLT, but unlikely BDM will be sacrificed for the RSA against NMH.
So, LS could be crossing sword with MTOY and BDM with Douvan. |
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impossible you really are, erm impossible to understand.
MTOY after all this time off all of a sudden appears in the JLT  Someone please explain why that is so wrong and not going to happen unless there has been something ive missed e.g henderson as said somewhere hes been schooling over fences which i just can't see happening myself |
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I presume you mean My Tent or Yours
Over fences Seriously   |
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Take the Y out and switch the T & O around.
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I'm struggling with this - Vaniteux is n't in the same ownership as BDM and L'Ami Serge but Vyta Du Roc is - and has three entries over the weekend in novice and graduation chases at around 3 miles.
Nothing ever seems set in tablets of stone (unless you're Ed Miliband) but if everything goes to plan at the w/e, it should be L'Ami Serge (Arkle), BDM (JLT) and Vyta Du Roc (RSA) for the Munir & Sude horses - Vaniteux would surely only be a consideration if NJH tells M&S that he will smash L'Ami Serge. BDM is only 5 and would get just 1lb from the older horses in the RSA which can be a brutal race. Obviously I reserve the right to change my mind.  |
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Sorry, I meant MOT. |