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By:
Swardean
When: 30 Jan 16 18:56
I guess it depends on what you think of scraping home less than a length in front of 132 rated horse.  With the 100/1 rag not far behind.
By:
timtin
When: 30 Jan 16 19:06
runner-up a massive improver probably mid 140 horse based on todays run. They were giving the 3rd home 7 lbs which is rated 125, finished 9 lengths in front of him. No obvious dangers in the market if he turns up in good order, so anything above 2/1 is looking good value for me.
By:
Swardean
When: 30 Jan 16 19:15
TBF, I think he and the Mullins horse took each other on, and both did too much, so other perhaps flattered to get that close.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 30 Jan 16 19:21
Just a shame he is being aimed at the 3 miler, today was possibly his worst performance of his hurdling career. I know he needs to jump better but he would be as equally at home over 2m5f.
By:
Swardean
When: 30 Jan 16 19:26
You think so IS ?

If he was mine I would be tempted by the 4m chase
By:
timtin
When: 30 Jan 16 19:26
exactly @Swardean, thats why the hard race comment. UFR was given an easy time after he looked beaten but BH jockey asked for everything in the long home straight. He's underestimated in the market because he looked too workmanlike for what bookies and maybe what some punters want, but he doesn't have to be flashy to win races over staying trips.
By:
timtin
When: 30 Jan 16 19:35
@IS Neptune would be perfect for the pace goes at and would take a v good one to pass him but in the AB he doesnt have that much competition so if he'll just set a 1-2 mph slower pace he might get the 3m trip even better, today a bit too fast upfront.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 30 Jan 16 19:59
I know what you are saying Swardean, but he has a decent cruising speed and the earlier parts of his races are good, he could go for it off the bend if in the position to do so, the 3 mile race will be torture if today was anything to go by.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 30 Jan 16 23:30
If they let him have his own way up front he could possibly grind them into submission but all trainers now know that his potential achilles heel is if he is taken on for the lead he doesn't jump as well. I'm sure they'll fill in the blanks. Or not.
By:
duffy
When: 31 Jan 16 02:51
I'm not so sure BH isn't just plain lazy and actually may not take so much out of himself as it appears, having said that, you'd just be worried that there'll be one he can't get rid of and will do him up the run in.
By:
buddeliea
When: 31 Jan 16 06:34
One horse tried to go with him, a horse that was fancied to run well and maybe beat him,and was fancied for the AB in march.
That horse was broken. Thats what BH does.
The lesser horses sat back and had the run of the race watching the two horses up front race.
One of them nearly got to him, but BH just too good.
He is one tough horse to do that after the race he had.
I don't imagine a trainer trying to do what UFR did and probably ruining his chances.
Think he will be out front in the AB and they will all gradually fall off the pace.
Only problem I see with the race for him, is if Shantou Village turns up.
By:
barnesey
When: 31 Jan 16 07:29
Agree with the comment about shantou village bud, think yesterday's race confirms the AB the right race for him can't see them wanting to take on yanworth again in the Neptune and will potentially improve for the step up to 3 miles on better ground. He didn't look comfortable on the softer ground yesterday so think he ran a good race and is the main danger to Barters Hill in my opinion
By:
Gustavo_1000
When: 31 Jan 16 08:25
Not sure what chance BH has in the AB, but if I'd backed him I wouldn't be to concerned after that run. To my eye he looks like a thinker, if you watch the race back he runs nearly 2m with his ears still pricked. Even when his jumping wasn't as good as it has been. 10m after the hurdle he pricked his ears again. Not to mention the fact the whole time UFR was at his quarters he had his head cocked so he could see him. Clearly he wasn't giving it everything. At the end he just watches the other horse and does just enough.
By:
unclepuncle
When: 31 Jan 16 08:54
Clearly has a big engine and a massive heart but I'd still be concerned about his lack of Cheltenham form and his jumping is very sketchy which will be much more of an issue in a big field.
If they aim Shantou Village at the AB, and they surely won't want to take Yanworth on again, I'd make him clear favourite ahead of BH.
Both horses have the double entry so even with the doubt about their targets I can't resist the 10/1 on SV.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 31 Jan 16 09:05
Good post Gustavo.

You get the feeling he would beat 120 or a 150 horse by the same distance, He does seem a bit of a thinker, maybe headgear will help or not.
By:
Swardean
When: 31 Jan 16 11:09
You would think Mullins or JP, with their legions of horses, would run a "spoiler" to pester him up front.
By:
Autocue
When: 31 Jan 16 11:26
I don't see why Shantou Village wouldn't take on Yanworth again on better ground. Heavy ground form isn't necessarily replicated in March and some horses just con't perform to the best of their ability on it. Yesterday was Shantou Village's first attempt on heavy after four wins on good ground.
By:
Ibrahima Sonko
When: 31 Jan 16 11:51
True, Heavy ground & slow pace could had flattered  Yarnworth, well worth taking on again on better ground.
By:
blackballed1
When: 31 Jan 16 12:01
I think the connections of shantou where thinking more Neptune before yesterday! But it must have been tough to see him beaten quite so easily! I hope they go bartlet but we shall see
By:
Can't Catch Me
When: 02 Feb 16 16:00
Ben Pauling's stable star stepped up to three miles for the first time in the Albert Bartlett trial on Town Moor and while main market rival and Willie Mullins-trained Irish raider Up For Review seemingly ran below par, Barters Hill showed his trademark grit to stretch his unbeaten record to seven.

Pauling is still not ruling out dropping back in distance for the Neptune Investment Management Novices' Hurdle at Prestbury Park in March, but admits he was impressed with the Alan King-trained Yanworth in the Neptune trial at Cheltenham over the weekend and he is unlikely to let Barters Hill take him on unless conditions are extremely testing.

"He didn't race lazily and didn't hit his flat spot that he can do (at Doncaster). That was probably because the Mullins team decided the way to beat him was to take him on for the lead, and it actually kept him very honest the whole way," Pauling told At The Races.

"If I told you a 100-1 shot (Ami Desbois, third) was going to beat Up For Review, you'd tell me it was a muddling race and I think because they've gone so hard so early, it ended up being a funny result.

"The front two have almost cut each others throats a little bit and given the others a tow into the race, but Barters Hill found what's necessary to win whereas Up For Review has fallen by the wayside.

"I'm definitely in the camp that it's much more likely he's going to go three miles (at Cheltenham). I've entered him in both races because I'm still determined that if it does come up ridiculously soft at Cheltenham, two-mile-five in the Neptune would be far enough.

"The Albert Bartlett is just under three miles and the Neptune is just over two-five, so we're talking about a difference of a furlong and a half. It's really not that much of a difference.

"I was very impressed by Yanworth at the weekend - he was effortless. He looks to me like he might be that champion hurdler lurking in the Neptune.

"I think we would be vulnerable to a horse like that."
By:
Colonel Sanders
When: 10 Mar 16 21:59
very weak

Is all well or are they thinking Neptune again? Market doesn't appear to support the latter
By:
scooby91
When: 10 Mar 16 22:02
Deffinately goes this race, but he has a hell of alot more opposition than looked likely a few weeks ago. Mullins has thrown in 3 or 4 quality speed horses.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 10 Mar 16 23:30
The thing that concerns me with this horse is his cruising speed

to some extent he reminds me of detroit city who also raced lazily and got worse as he got older. hope this doesn't happen to this horse as he's a very admirable individual

Obviously as scooby points out mullins is very strong in the novice department so he's going to have to be ever bit as good as they think he is to win

the ground could dry up by friday, good weather forecast till then

if that is the case I just wonder if he'll get tapped for speed?!
By:
buddeliea
When: 11 Mar 16 07:02
Barters Hill will relish decent ground and 3 miles, think its his ideal.

Mullins can throw as many speed horses as he likes, I doubt they will have much speed left by the time they have finished battling with him,if indeed they aint been broken by then.
Shantou will be his main threat imo.
By:
buddeliea
When: 11 Mar 16 07:07
Would add that if it looks like being soft next week,the Neptune could be his race.
Soft ground I think the Neptune trip would suit him well.
By:
buddeliea
When: 11 Mar 16 07:59
Think about it a bit more as re Mullins horses......Gangster looks the ideal horse for this race,and i can see him running best out of his horses and on soft ground would have a real good chance imo. But then hes always had this race in mind for him i would think, not sure the others were.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 12 Mar 16 09:19
gangster has been well tipped up on the previews... apparently davy russell saw him gallop with some horse who may have been vautour, and hammered him

must admit on reflection though I reckon if barters hill was trained by mullins he'd be odds on. 7/7 and likely to be very tough to outbattled up the hill. this race normally turns into a bit of a slog for these novices so he's ideally suited to that test.
By:
wellchief
When: 12 Mar 16 10:00
I'd say Barters Hill is easily the most vulnerable of the three favourites in the novice hurdles - not much bigger than Min, and if I had to choose to back one or the other, I'd choose Min every day.

As Scooby says, Mullins has put a lot of his "B Team" in this, so opposition looks much tougher than a few weeks ago.  Long Dog and Bleu et Rouge have both been over shorter trips this year, but both shape at stayers and have solid G1 form in heavy ground in Ireland.

Tombstone ties in closely with these two, so a good run from him in the Supreme will be very favourable to both of them.

I think this could be the only race for Barters, I would never have considered the Neptune for him.  He reminds me of a hurdling Don Poli, slighlty lazy, clever, just does enough and gets the job done; but as with Don Poli, this will be by far his toughest test, and I expect something a little classier to get ahead of him.

To be fair to Barters Hill though, he is probably one of the best bumper horses we have seen in the last couple of years, so he is not short of class.  Like No More Heroes in the Albert Bartlett, we'll see Barters at his best in something like the RSA, so I think this year is a stepping stone to bigger things as he'll be a monster in staying chases.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 12 Mar 16 10:10
this will be by far his toughest test, and I expect something a little classier to get ahead of him

but there were plenty of supposedly "classier" types in the aintree bumper last year, and he put them in their place. Had horses in behind him that day who are now strongly fancied for races like the supreme and

don't agree at all that he's easily the most vulnerable of the three favourites in the novice hurdle. traditionally the albert bartlett is the weakest novice hurdle. Min has horses like Altoir to beat.

throw in the fact that the step up in the trip will be in his favour, he starts to look like a banker. if these horses couldn't outbattle him over two miles, how are they going to have a chance over three miles up the cheltenham hill?
By:
buddeliea
When: 12 Mar 16 10:27
Yeh,think hes a real good thing as long as its not too soft.
Those afterthoughts of Mullins wont know whats hit them when asked to start battling after near on 3 miles.
Hes as solid fav as you can get next week imo.

Chief
Not sure why you would think the Neptune would not suit?, especially on soft ground, form book looks pretty good at shorter distances.
By:
scooby91
When: 12 Mar 16 10:30
I don't thing long dog will go bartlett but you never know.
BELLO CONTI (unexposed) on a line through mad fun in the west/ bleu et rouge. he looks potentially very exciting.
THOMAS HOBSON classy  horse with a big engine, improving his technique with each run and slaughtered the English or here.
BLEU ET ROUGE
Tough and classy, on the upgrade.
BACHASSON
Almost a forgotten horse, if you forgive his last run on very soft ground over 2 miles, he'd be a danger to all.
GANGSTER
Been apparently working well and beat the mags mullins horse far more easily than bellshill on his first start up in trip , at the start of the season in Galway,  mullins thought he was going to be the best of the 3. (Long dog and bachasson)

UP FOR REVIEW
He diddnt seem right at all last time, and never travelled with the enthusiasm that he had in previous starts where his form had worked out well. With the solid space cadet and acapella bourgeois turning out to be pretty good.
Was it the ground or was something


ARKWISHT STONE HARD & NAMBOUR
all Likely to be thrown in here for giggingstown who Willie mentioned have several under consideration for the race,


BALKO DES FLOS
Has this race under consideration but more likely to go neptune.
By:
wellchief
When: 12 Mar 16 10:32
This isn't a 2 mile bumper though Lewisham; a 3m hurdle race at Cheltenham is completely different, so whilst I have said he was an excellent bumper horse, I don't think those races will have any bearing on this at all.  None of the lineup in the AB never faced him as a bumper horse, so the fact he beat Altior, Beuvair D'air means nothing in relation to the Bartlett.

Judging him on his hurdle form, of which this is, I think he'll get outpaced at some point.  Whether something will be good enough to go passed him, I don't know, but I wouldn't want to back at 5/2 - 11/4 knowing he might get done for speed, and is vulnerable for something fast finishing.

He almost got done by Ballydine last time (rated 132) and you can bet he will be facing higher class horses in this.

Also, the Bartlett being traditionally the weakest race, that doesn't really mean anything as you have to judge each race and each renewal on it's merits.  He will be facing Gangster, Shantou Village, Long Dog and Bleu et Rouge - very tough opposition if you ask me.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 12 Mar 16 10:33
scooby they can't all win. barters was beating all these type of horses in bumpers and is 7/7.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 12 Mar 16 10:38
you can't say it has no bearing well chief.

if he's beating altoir and beauvair dair (and bellshill as well, supposedly one of mullins better ones)

are long dog etc any classier than those?

it's just his battling qualities that impress me. these are the sort of horses you want on your side at cheltenham. you know they'll get carried out on their sword even if they do get beat.

rather have barters than one of these bridle ponces that empty up the hill. and it's an 11-4 shot we're talking about here, not a 6-4 shot

also if you backed him in every race you'd be £47 quid up to a level stake, which points to horse that has been consistently underestimated by the market, who tend to prefer flashier types.
By:
wellchief
When: 12 Mar 16 10:38
Horses improve miles for hurdles though, so you can't rely on 2m bumper form in a 3m hurdle race.  He didn't face any of Albert Bartlett runners in a bumper.

Bumpers are for very inexperienced horses, learning their trade on a racetrack.  I've already said Barters is as tough as they come, so it doesn't surprise me at all that he won good bumpers, but as those in behind get better, they often improve past the winner.

Just off the top of my head, horses like Jezki, Yanworth and The New One were beaten in the Champion Bumper recently and went on to much better things.  Giggi don't run in them for a reason.
By:
scooby91
When: 12 Mar 16 10:41
I'm already on barters from ages ago. But now at the prices there is no way I'd play,
Just my opinion.
When a horse like BELLO CONTI is 33/1 and bleu et rouge been 40s. (Now well supported) long dog nrnb at 16s if he did line up.
There are now huge unknowns open to masses of improvement going up in trip, that imo Are now far better value bets.
By:
buddeliea
When: 12 Mar 16 10:43
What the bumper form tells us is he has some pace to go with his obvious stamina.
Very useful combination.
I actually take a different view to his last race. Yes the horse that was second had a low rating,but the horse that tried to take him...his main rival - which meant he was a bit too keen too early on - was beaten out of sight.Thats what he does to horses that take him on too early, and those that come to him travelling well soon come off the bridle, as with the 2 horses in his previous race.
I would agree Gangster and Shantou are dangerous rivals,but cannot have the likes of LD and BeR over 3 miles against this horse....to be honest I think it may be a case for the RSPCA!!Laugh
By:
wellchief
When: 12 Mar 16 10:43
Budd, I don't think he'll have the speed for a Neptune - especially if Yanworth and Yorkhill both run.  If Barters ran in the Neptune, he'd remind me of Reve De Sivola, when you could tell he was always a stayer, and he ran well for a long way, but eventually got done on the run in by Peddlers, who had the speed to go past him.

Soft ground changes everything though, and as Barters has won over 3m and is tough, he will be difficult to beat.  Good ground and I think he is vulnerable from something in behind.

Yes, I get we're not talking about a 6/4 shot, but all I'm saying is at around the same price, if you gave me £20, I'd back Min in the Supreme each time.
By:
lewisham ranger
When: 12 Mar 16 10:46
well chief you say he might get done for speed, and get beat by something finishing fast

but surely if that was the case how on earth was he able to win over aintree over two miles, against horses that are now well fancied for the surpreme, over 1 mile shorter? And bumpers or not you're still having to gallop.

the only thing that concerns me is the quirkiness of the horse. he almost runs out at some point in the challow hurdle, which would worry me for cheltenham. but then all these worries are put into the price, he's an 11-4 shot not 6-4

I can see why people are concerned about this horse, as his last run did look rather laboured. However I'm happy to give the horse the benefit of the doubt and take the view that he wasn't fully wound up for that run and we'll see a much better display at cheltenham.

certainly you're right he's similar to don poli- and with horses like that the stronger the race the better they look. that's the theory anyway. I can see horses travelling better than him in the race but when they come around the turn and they come off the bridle he'll power away from them up the hill. tough as they come. Cool
By:
buddeliea
When: 12 Mar 16 10:51
He maybe a bit deceptive to you Chief? Soft ground Neptune would suit him perfectly imo,looking at his form.
Not saying he would beat the two y's,but he would certainly make sure they knew they had a race!!
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