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Ivanovich Gorbatov - Triumph Hurdle?
Ivanovich Gorbatov - Triumph Hurdle?
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Don't think there's many races, if any at all, that still has plenty to learn about this time of year.
Felt like there was a formline every other week last year with the english market leaders. Don't think we'll see the same but plenty of races to come in the next few weeks right up to to late feb |
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Oh I agree, I think I'm certain I can narrow the graded races down to max 4 potential winners in each. But the triumph despite backing 4. I couldn't even narrow down to 14 let alone 4. I'll be the first to admit if iv got the winner iv got lucky.
Iv deffinately learned that the juvenile form, is very hard to read and such as the raw nature and greenness (if that's a word) of any juvenile they are open to masses of improvement between runs. I won't be backing early antepost on the triumph next year despite the huge prices being very appealing. |
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Does anyone else think that there's no justification for the difference in odds of IG and WDW..??? starting to think that WDW offers tremendous value although i accept that the triumph is a risky market.!
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I'd love to know who King thinks is his best...
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For Ivan Gorbatov fans, his win continues to work out well - Lagostovegas, 3rd behind Ivanovich Gorbatov and Let's Dance, hosed up in the opening maiden hurdle at Naas, with Newberry New (6th behind IG) filling the 2nd spot. Tocororo and Jazz Ranger have also won since.
Unless Zubayr or Khezerabad for Nicholls/Henderson pull up trees on debut, or Mullins has something else up his sleeve, I think IG's place in the market as 3/1f is about right really, particularly when you consider the logical improvement to come from having had a first run, encountering better ground, and the fact that in 3 flat runs he achieved a mark of 105. He's looking more and more standout to me, I think it's hard to really get excited about anything below him in the market - he certainly has the star quality anyway and to me would be the only 4yo so far who could potentially make up into a lively Champion Hurdle contender next year. |
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Let's hope so joist
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Poor trail yesterday by the look and sound of it! Apparently anyone in the stable wouldn't have backed the winner yesterday at 100's never mind 25's so unless they all hated the ground that much it doesn't look like any of yesterday bunch have any chance in March!
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I see pp have early betting on the spring hurdle
O Brien hoss a 4-7 shot On heavy ground i have another hoss in the race  |
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on a related note - anyone know anything about kasakh noir,s triumph plans. ???
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Whats the craic with Lets Dance getting backed in for the Juvenile next week, surely wouldnt be reversing with IG ?
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mrgloves there is a thread on the horse racing forum about the supposed well being of ivanovitch .........
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ig confirmed as a runner sunday by frank berry in tomorrows racing post - no mention of any doubt or problem??? that said if it was heavy i wouldnt be surprised if they didnt put a gun to its head
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thanks lads
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There is no drift in his price if any rumours where doing the rounds so can't see anything in that! And even more so if the racing manager is saying it's all go!!???
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no thing to get worried about ,rumours etc !
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Lads any possibilty that Ivan is rerouted to the supreme a la Binocular in 2008, would get 8lbs off the field, with Yanworth seemingly destined for the neptune, JP seems to have sweet fa for the supreme, given his love of the race it wouldn't surprise me in the slighest especially the way he's being talked up. Couldn't find a price on here
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Don't think it's got an entry for the supreme. And Joseph said about 2 weeks ago that the confirmed target was the triumph so don't see happening
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Imo it would be madness to take MIN on, nothing will get near this beast, its got speed, travels, jumps like a bunny and stays on bad ground, god knows what this will do on good ground come race day. This will go off odds on. Id be very diss if it didnt run on the Thursday.
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Rich Ricci said on Saturday that they believe Let's Dance is a G1 horse and will contest them at the festivals this season. If she wins 1 then great and if not she will still be a novice next season. I agree IG beat her well first time up, but experience can count for a lot. She might never be as good as him but at still 16/1 which is about 6 times his price, I think she is worth an EW bet after RR confirmed she will be running all being well.
Alan King was still very keen on Who Dares Wins on yesterdays Sunday Forum. Said they raced too early and he was too keen. Still not beaten far and was giving weight to the first 3. I had a little on at 33/1 (now 25/1) yesterday. I've still not totally given up on Kasakh Noir. He started with an easy win befor Fixe Le Kap beat him easily but was in receipt of 10lb. FLK won very easy again last week, so KN may still have a sniff, but that maybe pocket talking. Anyway that's my 3 against the field all backed EW |
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I know they really fancied let's dance at Xmas, but was beaten fairly easily on the day! I'm a big fan of ivanovich and looking at his form he should improve for the better ground! But it could all change come the day as they might not all like the track etc. Will be interesting to see who turns up this weekend at leopardstown?!
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Got a few lads saying the apple jade race was ok, i said to them that and the IG race vrs Lets dance was on the same track in the same ground obviouslty and poss on more chewed up ground, the IG race was 8 seconds faster, they went a good belt imo and IG carried 11 stone well, travelled, jumped and finished pulling away. IG will do for me @ 3/1 for now lads.
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Thanks Shockster thats just what I was looking for re WDW , also bit of 33s on Sportsbook first thing today , reminds me of potential biggest winner and most unlucky loser in Triumph , Barizan , quite a few similarities and am sure a better surface will suit .
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wouldnt bother me if he got beat at w/e (unless he runs like theres a problem) - wont be his conditions at all and will provide opportunity to top up hopefully.
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I think IG can do it on any surface by the looks of it, Apples Jade and Jer's Girl were out on their feet carrying 10-05 and race run 8 secs slower and IG (11-00 stone) was still going forward pulling away like a good thing, he will defo be better on decent ground with his flat speed, slick jumping and staying power will prevail !
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he will defo be better on decent ground with his flat speed, slick jumping and staying power will prevail !
He's by Montjeu out of a US bred flat mare. The layers going to have fun with that. |
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Ive never worried about breeding, i just go by what my eyes tell me and i think IG is a good thing, there has been many freaks come and go, hes shown pace in his last race on the flat pulling himself to the front and stayed well on on gd/fm ground over 1m7f. Hes then travelled and jumped like an experienced hurdler on heavy ground over 2m beating a very well touted mare out of the mullins camp whom went off 4/7 to beat him also getting a smidge of weight. It wont be long now until we find out as long as he is aimed at the Triumph like Aidan has mentioned. Hes got Speed, Jumps like Bugs Bunny, Travels and Stays, isnt that the ideal CV for a Triumph Winner, what more do use want ?
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Saturday will tell you all you need to know. If he beats the Mullins horse again he will be a good thing. They think Lets Dance is one of the best juveniles they've had and he will be much fitter for the rematch. If IG beats him again he will be banker material.
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I backed IG straight after his win at I thought a very generous 16/1 with VC, very happy with it as the form has been franked a few times. I do think the rematch will be interesting as Lets Dance should improve as it was only her second run ever and was she fully tuned up? That said IG looked a complete professional and he has limitless potential.
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I would imagine she was tuned up as she was there so called cert over Xmas and that includes faugheen! Not sure if that's true or not but you would also expect ivanovich to come on for his 1st run over hurdles! Will be interesting for sure if they both show up this weekend?!
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ig was 25s with a company jumping the second last against LD when it was obvious this was a v good horse - the thing is i am pretty certain they look at those kind of things when deciding whether to ban you - so its like when they put kids in a room with all sort of sweets for 5 minutes and beforehand tell them if they resist the urge to help themselves they will get a reward - take the sweets or keep the account aaaagh
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Very diss with that lads
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Not sure what to make of that race there! Not good for us gorbatov backers but really bad mistake down the back nearly came down!! Not lost hope yet as the race has messed the form up big time with so much of them turning it around!
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The delights of juvenile form. Was scratching my head when foot pad was beaten tamely behind jers girl. Was expecting a huge run.
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He didnt jump that great, not given up hope, better ground at Cheltenham will be a help.
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IG needs another run to qualify for the Fred Winter
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Don't worry Mr g , be all different in March.
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