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15 Dec 15 09:21
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Limini could show up at Haydock this Saturday. Another Willie Mullins talking horse that the stable hold in high regard. It will probably be unbackable even if it does turn up this weekend, but a good performance could see her go very short for the Festival.
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Report slowerthanjohn January 29, 2016 11:43 AM GMT
She's running tomorrow 3.05 Fairyhouse and she's 13/2 on the Sporting Life betting forecastCrazyWhoops Please tell me someone doesn't get paid to do that betting forecast!!!!
Report mrglovesthosetins January 29, 2016 11:58 AM GMT
Wrong way around 2/13 Confused
Report slowerthanjohn January 29, 2016 12:00 PM GMT


Whistle Dixie (10/3), Cashelard Lady (7/2), Rosie Alice (7/2), Ten Times Better (9/2), Limini (13/2), The Brock Inn (13/2), Jodies Miss (33/1)
Report Can't Catch Me January 29, 2016 12:44 PM GMT
Haha, brilliant. I think my max bet level might increase if that was correct.
Report Can't Catch Me January 29, 2016 1:15 PM GMT
Im obviously feeling slightly smug that I have backed Limini at nice prices, but her price is absolutely ridiculous now! Into 7-4 on the basis she is running this weekend? What price is she going to be if she wins?!
Report mrglovesthosetins January 29, 2016 1:21 PM GMT
I think she'll go off odds on at the Festival if there fit and well.
Report Can't Catch Me January 29, 2016 1:44 PM GMT
Assuming she wins this weekend, she definitely will!
Report maelduin January 29, 2016 1:52 PM GMT
That market move on her is incredible. At 7/4 now from 7/1 on word of mouth. Amazing.
Report slowerthanjohn January 29, 2016 3:29 PM GMT
It's combination of the connections, a mare with a lot of flat race ability and potentially the weakest race of the week.
Report mrglovesthosetins January 29, 2016 4:07 PM GMT
Mullins has farmed this race the last 4 years ?
Report Joist January 29, 2016 7:00 PM GMT
On a side note, I'm disappointed to see G. Elliott potentially ruining the mark of Whistle Dixie. 119 is surely a very well handicapped mare?
Report Can't Catch Me January 29, 2016 8:05 PM GMT
It's the first year this race has been at the Festival Mr G.
Report quantize January 29, 2016 10:30 PM GMT
Elliot ruining mark? Horse will get stuffed tomorrow and will not be put into the race
Report mrglovesthosetins January 30, 2016 8:49 AM GMT
This race today not the new mares novice race at the Fess Confused
Report Can't Catch Me January 30, 2016 9:03 AM GMT
Apologies Blush
Report mrglovesthosetins January 30, 2016 9:13 AM GMT
No problem CCM
Report mrglovesthosetins January 30, 2016 10:00 AM GMT
Karalee out for season - 12/1 for this race, looked a nice sort when winning but quotes said wants a soft surface so id of said Limini was always going to be the dart for the Fest.
Report scooby91 January 30, 2016 10:00 AM GMT
Rich ricci confirms karalee is out for season but throws in senewalk for the 2017 supreme for good measure.  Fair play to rich
Report mrglovesthosetins January 30, 2016 10:15 AM GMT
Quality morning line this morning to be fair
Report quantize January 30, 2016 3:16 PM GMT
Well that was a nice drift. Free money to pay for the ante post bet. Just glad I was at home to notice the drift.
Report mrglovesthosetins January 30, 2016 3:26 PM GMT
Good work, dollied up Grin
Report Can't Catch Me January 31, 2016 7:52 AM GMT
Having watched the race back a couple of times, not sure how WPM can say her jumping has improved! That looks like the only thing that could cost her.... Thought it was terrible yesterday. Worse than her debut. But she certainly ha some engine.
Report mrglovesthosetins January 31, 2016 8:51 AM GMT
Id have to agree, poss worse yesterday out of the ground, did think she jumped better in May on better ground, surely can only improve for experience and again with poss going a quicker pace in march hopefully on better ground will she hurdle better. have to see how myska goes today, shes looked good at taunton thurles and clonmel, been keen early, looks more of a staying type to me.
Report quantize January 31, 2016 8:58 AM GMT
Hopefully myska get beat today.
Report mrglovesthosetins January 31, 2016 9:54 AM GMT
Limini must rated up around 145 at present so id be wanting Myska to be beating these pretty handy running off 130/131 if were to be worried about her.
Report mrglovesthosetins January 31, 2016 2:08 PM GMT
Limini will go off odds on boys !
Report Satrus_Froot January 31, 2016 2:23 PM GMT
Good form boost for Min as well with Ball D'arc winning.
Report Can't Catch Me January 31, 2016 4:16 PM GMT
As low as 8/11 in places now after Myska bombed out.....
Report mrglovesthosetins January 31, 2016 8:22 PM GMT
Min, Faugheen, Douvan, UDS, Limini and Ivanovich = happy days are here again Grin
Report scooby91 January 31, 2016 11:58 PM GMT
BLOODY MARY entered up again and I'm looking forward to seeing her out. Backed her ew at 33/1 a couple of weeks ago and now top price 16s. Hoping for a bold show. She won 6 on the bounce in france 5 nhf races where she ties in nicely with buveur dair and won her only start over hurdles cosily. I'd be interested  to know how much jp had to fork out for her
Report quantize February 1, 2016 9:21 AM GMT
May be worth a speculative each day on Bloody Mary as insurance on limini. Seems the only horse that may be able to put it up if the French form any good.
Report quantize February 1, 2016 10:01 AM GMT
Also geraghty was jocked up to ride this last week before meeting was cancelled. He decided it was worth staying in England rather than ride some fancied ones in Ireland.
Report Can't Catch Me February 1, 2016 10:12 AM GMT
I have a saver on Bloody Mary at 20's as she could definitely be anything.
Report quantize February 1, 2016 10:14 AM GMT
Trained by Nicky Henderson, the JP McManus-owned Bloody Mary, who has won her last six races in France, was declared for the 2m1½f novice hurdle for mares.

However, her first outing for new connections will have to wait.

Speaking before Fontwell cancelled, Henderson said: "She's a decent sort who we are looking forward to seeing on the course, and she could be one for the mares' novice hurdle at Cheltenham."

If Mullins had a mare who had won her last six would be shorter than limini.
Report Can't Catch Me February 1, 2016 10:18 AM GMT
Think thats a step too far quantize. 5 of the 6 were egg and spoon races. And Limini has won 5 on the bounce herself anyway, including beating a Group 1 filly on the flat and winning a race at Punch that has already produced 6 winners.

Her form is a level above BM as it stands.
Report quantize February 1, 2016 10:34 AM GMT
Ideal result limini 1st Bloody Mary 2nd. Not much depth to this race at all.
Report Can't Catch Me February 1, 2016 10:36 AM GMT
Amen to that!
Report scooby91 February 1, 2016 10:51 AM GMT
Having watched her races in france galop. Not egg and spoon races can't catch me, the second horse she beat on the bit in one of her bumpers was within 2 length second behind buveur dair in his bumper. And there's a few who have gone on to win.
Report Can't Catch Me February 1, 2016 11:00 AM GMT
Guess we will get to find out tomorrow! Looks like it could be a pretty competitive affair. Couple of interesting PN runners including Crin Au Vent who beat Consul de Thaix on his last run in France and that form looks pretty decent now.
Report Can't Catch Me February 1, 2016 11:02 AM GMT
Wouldnt be surprised if they waited until Taunton on Thursday though. Looks a much easier assignment.
Report mrglovesthosetins February 1, 2016 11:04 AM GMT
Ladcrookes gone 4/5 today Limini
Report scooby91 February 1, 2016 12:32 PM GMT
I'm not a layer but limini is very short now. Hope she wins though.
on at 8s but put 3/4 of the same stake on karalee.
Report maelduin February 1, 2016 1:30 PM GMT
Limini jumped terrible on Sunday but i wouldn't be unduly concerned as the ground was atrocious. It really looked like she was expelling a lot of energy just getting over the hurdles and yet she finished off her race very impressively. Looks like she has some engine.

Will love the better conditions at Cheltenham. Very exciting prospect.
Report scooby91 February 1, 2016 8:29 PM GMT
Bloody mary declared for tomorrow looks a very good test as the nicholls horse who also won an aqps bumper and on her hurdles debut in france boast some very impressive form finishing infront of fixe le kap and only 3 length of choer du nord who is very good, the 2nd who he was a neck behind went on to fall in a race wich looked at his mercy then won well in his next race in a decent contest.
Also has some very interesting owners.
Report miltons sophie February 1, 2016 9:02 PM GMT
wellchief - maybe lou vert will turn out to  be the 4 year old you were looking for??
Report Rathgorman82 February 2, 2016 1:56 PM GMT
Someone put this beauty up on here back around October time, where's the thread gone, cant find it for my life.
THANK YOU whoever it was !! Holding several 8s and 7s vouchers about an EVS shot is a great position to be in running up to the FEZ
I recall Paddy Power was doing 10s to phone enquirers only and that was as big as she ever was.
Report slowerthanjohn February 2, 2016 2:47 PM GMT
MS Lou Vert would have to have a sex changeWhoops
Report Can't Catch Me February 2, 2016 2:52 PM GMT
Bloody Mary could do no more than win there... but getting 7lb from Banyu, Im not unduly concerned as a Limini backer.
Report miltons sophie February 2, 2016 3:45 PM GMT
slower Laugh that might be a minor obstacle -  so after my rookie mistake on the soft ground thread i am now the undisputed class dunce - BTW half a sex change - hes had half of one already -
Report slowerthanjohn February 2, 2016 4:03 PM GMT
We all make mistakes admitting them takes a bigger man Wink
Report Can't Catch Me February 3, 2016 2:52 PM GMT
I've only just realised that Smart Talk is going to be kept for this race. I'd assumed she would go for the Mares Hurdle.

That's a definite worry for Limini backers imo. She's tough and progressive and her form is starting to have a pretty solid look to it.
Report mrglovesthosetins February 4, 2016 9:58 AM GMT
From what ive seen i wouldnt be too worried, pay them out the place money now, also if Bloody Mary beats Limini ill eat my Mickey !
Report Can't Catch Me February 4, 2016 10:29 AM GMT
I wasn't overly worried about Bloody Mary either tbh. But just dont know how much Smart Talk could keep improving. Wouldnt want her eyeballing Limini coming off the final bend myself Plain
Report cufcno1 February 4, 2016 3:07 PM GMT
Limini might be tailed off coming round the bend,hitting every hurdle,only jesting but I don't think anything would want to get into a battle with bloody mary
Report mrglovesthosetins February 4, 2016 3:21 PM GMT
In her last race she jumped 2 moderately and one very badly, a bit like Faugheen at the last the other sunday, i think she'll jump better going a better pace on better ground, the only thing ive seen able to beat her so far will be foot and mouth.
Report miltons sophie February 4, 2016 3:38 PM GMT
Mrg - not that i'm superstitious or anything but i hope you touched wood after your post - have no interest in limini but dont want fam Laugh
Report mrglovesthosetins February 4, 2016 3:53 PM GMT
didnt touch wood more like cloth
Report delsie777 February 4, 2016 7:20 PM GMT
Limini IS a dodgy jumper but she will still win head in chest - engine just too big for regular Mares. Her prep race showed you that - and that was on poor ground and 75% fit!
Report Can't Catch Me February 24, 2016 7:55 AM GMT
Tom Segal has nominated Bloody Mary as his novice hurdle bet of the festival.
Report ReaseHeath February 24, 2016 8:54 PM GMT

Feb 4, 2016 -- 4:29AM, Can't Catch Me wrote:

I wasn't overly worried about Bloody Mary either tbh. But just dont know how much Smart Talk could keep improving. Wouldnt want her eyeballing Limini coming off the final bend myself

This! I've not watched all the mares races and I've no idea how good Limini is but neither do a lot of the people who want to back her at evens!

Smart Talk looked like she had a massive engine at Doncaster where she missed all of the last three hurdles (so there would have to be a concern about her jumping too). Her form is very progressive and I read her trainer had said she's put on 4kg since Doncaster. Downside apart from her jumping is that I think they were considering the other mares' race if AP does n't run.

Not even saying she'll win but she looks raw and tough - anything that beats her will know they've been in a race.

Report Can't Catch Me February 24, 2016 9:07 PM GMT
Praying they go for the big one now Rease! As you said, that's what the trainer said.... And they may think that's almost as easy to win as this with all the hype surrounding Limini.
Report The_LUFCwaffe February 25, 2016 4:14 PM GMT
Anyone know what the race conditions are for this one i.e weight for age allowance for 4yo's?
Report scooby91 February 25, 2016 9:04 PM GMT
Ruby walsh was just saying at the  preview night that limini was sick when she ran at punchestown
Report simdog84 February 25, 2016 11:25 PM GMT
by sounds of it they expect this to win by half the track!
Report Macsys February 25, 2016 11:37 PM GMT
Mullins prefers Myska in that race. I know it ran a stinker last time out but during that period a lot ran poor. Mullins prefers Myska
Report cufcno1 February 25, 2016 11:43 PM GMT
Report mrglovesthosetins February 26, 2016 9:05 AM GMT
Bloody Mary time at Taunton was well slow imo and it just about won getting weight off the 2nd, looks as though it wants a bit of cut and she didnt look that quick to me, got to be a better novice bet than that mr segal surely ?
Report mrglovesthosetins February 26, 2016 9:06 AM GMT
If Bloody Mary beat Limini id have to give the game up from what ive seen.
Report ReaseHeath March 11, 2016 9:03 PM GMT
Smart Talk still growing, she's enormous, trainer 6-16 in last 14 days.

just saying....Wink
Report Can't Catch Me March 11, 2016 9:06 PM GMT
Keep your bl00dy observations to yourself Silly
Report scooby91 March 13, 2016 8:50 PM GMT
Myska is out of cheltenham
Report quantize March 17, 2016 4:33 PM GMT
Good luck all
Report rl91 March 17, 2016 4:44 PM GMT
Fair bit of blue but hoping its people laying off their trebles etc
Report scooby91 March 17, 2016 4:46 PM GMT
I hope she wins, smart talk the big danger and sets a fair bench mark. Have to say as it sits I think limini is underpriced and smart talk over priced. So I'm going to have a small ew saver on smart talk.
Report quantize March 17, 2016 4:56 PM GMT
Report ReaseHeath March 17, 2016 4:58 PM GMT
yep, well done winners, smashing mare - Smart Talk disappointing.
Report scooby91 March 17, 2016 4:58 PM GMT
Yes.  What a day. Her jumping was very good
Report impossible123 March 17, 2016 5:01 PM GMT
Visually impressive, any opinion about opposition? Not another AP or VVM beckons, could it?
Report scooby91 March 17, 2016 5:21 PM GMT
Still no idea how good limini is, bloody mary was a pretty tough horse.
I wouldn't have thought she'd be as good as annie or vroum vroum but it's also hard to think that was only her  3rd start over hurdles, they must have had her very well schooled because her technique has improved massively. Aparrently she's targeting ascot on the flat. Have mixed feelings about that, as a fan of the jumps fame.
Report Mooono March 17, 2016 7:37 PM GMT
5/1 to win any race at ascot
Report mrglovesthosetins March 17, 2016 9:39 PM GMT
Thank christ i got one right lads, Limini saved me at 5/2 and 3/1 after the Min debacle, didnt she jump like a bunny the good thing going a better clip on better ground - go on ya good thing Grin
Report festivalfanatic March 18, 2016 7:30 AM GMT
Doesn't look like a jumper at all. This was the easiest winner of the week.
Report Can't Catch Me March 18, 2016 7:58 AM GMT
Really ff? I thought she was pretty slick for most of it. Especially considering how bad she was on her hurdling debut compared to this. Still only her third go!
Report mrglovesthosetins March 18, 2016 9:48 AM GMT
She jumped like Bugs Bunny, she could of missed 6 of the flights and still won with her head in her chest !
Report wellchief March 28, 2016 11:45 AM BST
Following Jers Girl's really impressive performance yesterday over 2m4f, and with two excellent Mares in the triumph in Apples Jade and Lets Dance, Limini won't have everything her own way at next year's festival.

For once, we might actually get a decent renewal.

FWIW, I think the form of the four year olds is far superior to anything Limini has done.  Even with VVM and Annie unlikely to run in it next year, 5/2 on Limini is very poor imo.
Report scooby91 March 28, 2016 5:17 PM BST
Limini dosent have to worry about let's dance chief, as unless she takes a grade 1 at punchestown, she will be coming back for the mares novice at the festival.
I'd be shocked if they diddnt retain her novice status for next  season, but im holding fire at 7s until I know she's retained it.
Karalee however may be pretty good, and end up in the mares hurdle instead of limini.
I wouldn't back limini for the mares as if she bolts up on the flat like max dynamite, we may not see her over hurdles again for some time.
Report wellchief March 29, 2016 6:39 PM BST
Didn't realise Lets Dance was still a novice.  I suppose her and Limini will be kept apart anyway.

I can't imagine that the Mares Novice Hurdle will ever be a race I have a bet on to be honest.  I was there on the Thursday this year, and I had a bet in each race apart from that.

Pointless.  Should just let the novices run in the normal mares, but give them a weight allowance or something.
Report ReaseHeath March 29, 2016 9:20 PM BST
Agree with scooby regarding Limini, can visualise a flat campaign starting in Chester and ending in Melbourne - but I can't find an official flat rating for her in UK or Ireland, unless anybody knows differently?

Presumably she'll get one when they make an entry? She'd need to be at least 90 to get in the Chester Cup based on the last three years.

I suppose they could wait for Royal Ascot but she might have a fitness advantage if they went for the Chester Cup - if they wait until Royal Ascot, they could for the Ascot Stakes on the Tuesday or the Queen Alexandra on the Saturday or even both!

Probably getting ahead of myself, but pretty sure we will see her on flat as Ruby said unprompted in an RUK interview how well handicapped she was - I assume he must have been basing that on her flat RPR though.
Report Can't Catch Me March 30, 2016 11:15 AM BST
Agree with scooby too and will be leaving Limini well alone. She has so many options and her price is already terrible.

I disagree on the other bit though scooby. Assuming RR wants to target the Mares Novice and the Mares Hurdle, surely Karalee would be the most likely for the Novices race, seeing how she is so inexperienced and missed the whole season with injury, and Let's Dance would be the more likely for the Mares Hurdle? She has much more experience now, even though she is a year younger? Obviously you have VVM to throw into the equation too which makes it tough to guess, but I'd be surprised if Karalee was pitched into the big girls race on her first visit to the Festival.

Im gutted Karalee isnt in the betting for the Novice Race as would definitely be backing her if she was.
Report Smart Predator March 30, 2016 6:15 PM BST
Karalee won in May 15 so I'm sure she won't be a novice next season. I initially thought the same about her.

As for Limini's hcap mark, Ruby mentioned off 89 she could go to Ascot well handicapped.
Report Satrus_Froot March 30, 2016 7:11 PM BST
Have to agree about the views on the mares novice race in general, it's just another Mullins benefit pot isn't it really? Of course all the Mullins bootlickers will tell you it's the best thing since sliced bread and so good for racing though. The bumper has plenty of critics but at least there's some kind of point to it.

Could you imagine the state of the festival if it did go to 5 days? A mares novice chase, a staying hurdle dedicated to chestnut horses. It'd be mad.
Report ReaseHeath March 30, 2016 7:21 PM BST

Mar 30, 2016 -- 12:15PM, Smart Predator wrote:

Karalee won in May 15 so I'm sure she won't be a novice next season. I initially thought the same about her. As for Limini's hcap mark, Ruby mentioned off 89 she could go to Ascot well handicapped.

yep, I heard same but as far as I can see 89 is her RPR as opposed to an official handicap mark.

Report rl91 April 7, 2016 11:54 PM BST
Steps out of mares company to face Buveur D'Air, Ball D'Arc and others

Fancy this may be the only time we get her at odds against for a while over obstacles
Report Catch Me ifyoucan April 8, 2016 4:34 PM BST
tony57  • April 8, 2016 3:37 PM BST 
limini came back with blood on her leg, and limping...
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 January 16, 2017 8:23 PM GMT
Apologies for starting another thread just found this one
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 January 16, 2017 8:38 PM GMT
Forgive me and let the thread i created drop out to oblivion Blush

It has just appeared on the racingpost website that he is to be aimed at the Mares race at the festival.

This possibly might throw a few spanners in the works as regards any of us who's taken the 53/1 treble Faugheen/C'hdl, AP/Mares and Uno/stayers.

Must admit its thrown off guard a little bit too, could be backed at 14/1 this morning, is now into 12/1 in a place generally 10s and 8s now so bookmakers have clearly taken note.

If Limini was to take the mares route, where does that leave Annie Power? A tilt at the stayers or poss just stay in her box and wait for AintreeConfused

Limini on course for Mares' Hurdle tilt


IF HISTORY is anything to go by, Willie Mullins will go on and train the winner of the OLBG Mares' Hurdle at Cheltenham and the Irish champion jumps trainer has provided an upbeat bulletin on potential leading contender Limini.

"She has really come to herself in the past few weeks and is really pleasing me," Mullins said.

Stablemate and former festival queen Quevega landed six consecutive mares' hurdles throughout notoriously light campaigns but Mullins admits he would be eager to get a prep-run into Limini as he attempts to stretch his winning sequence in the race to nine.

"If I can get a run into her before Cheltenham I will but it might be hard to find a race for her now.

"Her main target at the moment is the mares' hurdle and she is looking like she is back to herself."

An easy winner of the inaugural mares' novice hurdle at Cheltenham last season, the Rich Ricci-owned Limini can be backed at odds of 14-1 to record back-to-back festival wins in the mares' hurdle in March.

Inexperience blamed for Mome reverse

Reflecting on Saturday's defeat of Crack Mome in the Grade 2 Moscow Flyer Novice Hurdle, Mullins believes the five-year-old remains an exciting prospect and puts his defeat at Punchestown down to inexperience.

"He ran a bit green at Punchestown and he was just beaten by a very good horse in Any Second Now," Mullins said.

"We still think we have a very nice horse on our hands. I hope better ground would bring out a better performance and there are still plenty of good races to be won with him."
Report Can't Catch Me January 17, 2017 1:36 PM GMT
Its getting to the point where RR has so many horses that he cant keep splitting them all up. I dont think Limini really changes their main plan. If the 3 big guns and her all make it to the Festival there aren't really four different options for them anyway (assuming VVM is staying over hurdles).

They are going to have 2 darts at one of the races... I suppose its possible AP and Faugheen could take each other on if they think Limini is in rude health and up to winning the Mares... but Id be surprised.

I think its much more likely Annie and Limini run in the same race.
Report wellchief January 17, 2017 1:41 PM GMT
If Annie, Limini, Jers Girl and Apples Jade all run in this, it'll actually be a really good race and would probably be worth the G1 status it has got, rather than the joke it has been over the years.
Report Can't Catch Me January 17, 2017 1:48 PM GMT
True mate. Probably not far off the CH in terms of quality!
Report maelduin January 17, 2017 3:56 PM GMT
Limini won a shockingly poor Mares Novice and has since been beaten decisively. Really hope they don't shuffle the other Ricci mares around to make way for her as #1 in the Mares Hurdle. Can't see it happening but who knows with this crowd.
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