Jonjo speaking sense for once? Well at least he is in the right race. I can't believe anyone who knows the game thought that this would run in a big field, competitive handicap at 3 miles given what he's shown over fences so far. He's green as grass and will struggle to cope organising himself in the NH Chase though will have plenty of assistance from the saddle with Nina up.

I've backed him for it but also have Roi Des Francs, whose form chance is much clearer to me.

Can't understand why they appear to have campaigned him to get a soft mark and aren't going to use it. If he's been running on merit, he won't be winning anything

Yes I agree entirely mate and do tend to ignore comments from others. But I have had this horse on my radar and thought he looked a classic JP / Jonjo plot horse. Surely he hasn't run to his maximum this season? If they wanted to get a nice mark, I was sure they'd exploit in a Handicap. Seems bizarre not to now. Unless of course he has been running on merit, and just hasn't trained on.

If he's going to struggle in the 3m handicap, I think he will struggle in the 4 miler too as it is always a big field as there is still plenty of hurly burly.

Anyway, it's sour grapes on my part as I've got it wrong and can't back him now. Was 16/1 in places for the Four Miler this morning

We will find out soon enough. The NH Chase might just suit him but he has a lot to do against BH and RDF if they line up. I think the latter is a very good horse and the fact that they made him favourite for the MP last year when not finishing far behind KV shows that he acts on the course and on quicker ground. With a decent pilot, he is the one for me. Having said that, I was all over Wounded Warrior last year and Gigginstown chose to give him a respectable view of DP's derriere in the RSA. It could easily happen again....

Yes I've backed RDF too mate.

Easy to write now but surely if they were going for a handicap, they would n't have run in the Reynoldstown? He already had a rating on the back of his three chase runs. Presumably he was backed into favouritism for the handicap based on people familiar with JPM mo and trying to get best price before the entries were published. Probably did n't take much money to move the price.

Doubt it'll make much difference anyway, he was a lot better on Sat but will still need everything to go right to have a chance in the NH Chase i.e. if he makes similar mistakes to his previous chase runns at Cheltenham, he'll likely get too far behind even if he recovers from them.

Fair point Rease, although his mark didn't go up and they may have decided he needed one more run for experience and it wasn't a bad option?

Anyway, pointless me going on about it. Need to move on!

as one who backed it heavy on its first two runs and for the rsa before its first run i have to agree with mincer here.he wont win any race at festival.hes too cumbersome/green looking /error prone,and hes far from certain to stay 4 miles(even at his slow pace).he looked so good last year.wtf has happened to him this year?.and the point has been made if they were stopping him to get a lenient mark(if 143 is) why arnt they using it?  so my thinking is the likes of black hercules,an uncomplicated,high cruiser, will beat him out of sight.,along with many more i think

Gerraghty doesn't get on with the horse full stop,the horse to me looks as though it's grown too much,wouldn't trust it to go round Cheltenham twice and stay on its feet,looked green still at ascot,maybe needs time but you would want 2-1 to get round.