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I have been following MAPUTO through his summer jumping runs, and he has been improving and improving.
If anything Flat-bred is going to contest the finish on the 2016 Supreme, then there isn't going to be a better candidate than this lad.
6 wins from 7 on the flat with Mark Johnston through the summer of 2013 (only defeat being on ground to fast, and trip too short at Royal Ascot) culminating in Group 3 win. Meydan Group 2 placing in spring 2014 and rated 113 on flat before his break (one would imagine through injury), gelding and given time before John Ferguson took him on.
He has won 4 from 4 culminating in a routing of 136 and 131 rated hurdlers, only being shook up after the last, after cruising through the race.
He is likely to go from OR 138 and RPR 137 to around 145 now, and run at the Paddy Power Cheltenham Meeting.
That is already good enough to place in the last 2 Supreme Novice Hurdles, which were won by exceptional WM hurdlers, and also high enough to win the Grade 2 2M Supreme Novice Hurdle Trials at the Paddy Power meeting.
I cannot believe 2 bookies still have him at 33/1 for the Supreme, I think they may be blind to the fact the John Ferguson-Aidan Coleman are a team on the rise, as on their current trajectory they are going to start pumping home Grade 1 winners in England sooner rather than later.
I have had 40/1 twice since his last run, will no doubt take the 33s before that goes, too. The other quotes are between 25s and 16s. If he was a WM horse he would be 10/1, with Paul Nicholls/Nicky Henderson maybe 14/1, so if you take the view that the bookies aren't seeing John Ferguson as a coming powerhouse stable (particularly over hurdles) and you think he is, then this is an opportunity to have a bet, win or each way at longer odds than should be available.
If anything Flat-bred is going to contest the finish on the 2016 Supreme, then there isn't going to be a better candidate than this lad.
6 wins from 7 on the flat with Mark Johnston through the summer of 2013 (only defeat being on ground to fast, and trip too short at Royal Ascot) culminating in Group 3 win. Meydan Group 2 placing in spring 2014 and rated 113 on flat before his break (one would imagine through injury), gelding and given time before John Ferguson took him on.
He has won 4 from 4 culminating in a routing of 136 and 131 rated hurdlers, only being shook up after the last, after cruising through the race.
He is likely to go from OR 138 and RPR 137 to around 145 now, and run at the Paddy Power Cheltenham Meeting.
That is already good enough to place in the last 2 Supreme Novice Hurdles, which were won by exceptional WM hurdlers, and also high enough to win the Grade 2 2M Supreme Novice Hurdle Trials at the Paddy Power meeting.
I cannot believe 2 bookies still have him at 33/1 for the Supreme, I think they may be blind to the fact the John Ferguson-Aidan Coleman are a team on the rise, as on their current trajectory they are going to start pumping home Grade 1 winners in England sooner rather than later.
I have had 40/1 twice since his last run, will no doubt take the 33s before that goes, too. The other quotes are between 25s and 16s. If he was a WM horse he would be 10/1, with Paul Nicholls/Nicky Henderson maybe 14/1, so if you take the view that the bookies aren't seeing John Ferguson as a coming powerhouse stable (particularly over hurdles) and you think he is, then this is an opportunity to have a bet, win or each way at longer odds than should be available.
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Not a fan of these 'without' markets in general, but can see the sense if the fav is 1/3 or somesuch.
But Min is BP 7/4 ffs, so the market thinks he is far more likely to lose than win. I can't see why punters are scared to take him on and give up value on their fancies, bookies must be loving it.
But Min is BP 7/4 ffs, so the market thinks he is far more likely to lose than win. I can't see why punters are scared to take him on and give up value on their fancies, bookies must be loving it.
I get that, but Tombstone was top price 12's in the full market or 10's without Min yesterday. 2 points isn't a lot at all, and whatever you think of Min, the race would be a lot easier to win without him.
Ps I'm not running scared of Min; backed Tombstone earlier in the month at 20's in the proper market.
Fair enough WC, my point was a general one regarding offering 'without' markets on horses that are odds against - I used Min as an example. The fact that you only got two points less illustrates the point that Min is far more likely to get beat than to win the race. The Supremes recent history, last couple of year notwithstanding, is littered with horses that started as hot favourites and came up short, often unplaced.
Anyway, as a default position my view is, when bookies off these type of bets, it's not out of the goodness of their hearts.
Well done on the 20s by the way, a nice ticket as I'm sure he will turn up and should certainly be thereabouts.
Anyway, as a default position my view is, when bookies off these type of bets, it's not out of the goodness of their hearts.
Well done on the 20s by the way, a nice ticket as I'm sure he will turn up and should certainly be thereabouts.
It will save bookmaker a small fortune if Min (biggest price) comes unstuck at the Cheltenham Festival with the doubles, trebles and accumulators on the Mullins' hot pots!
Yep, the bookies will be happy to lay accas with him in them all day long I should think. Because of the last two years WPM & RR success in the race and the perceived certainty of Douvan, Faugheen and AP winning their races - this lad seems to be getting afforded the same status and is getting chucked in these accas willy-nilly it seems. Whilst he might be the most likely winner of the race, although even Ruby acknowledged that he is yet to do anything that some of the others have done, he is a long way from having the supremacy over his rivals that the others can boast with some conviction.
Moon Racer won't run before the Festival according to David Pipe but could make his hurdling debut in the Supreme Novices' Hurdle.
Jan 28, 2016 -- 1:03PM, CheltenhamRoar wrote:
Moon Racer won't run before the Festival according to David Pipe but could make his hurdling debut in the Supreme Novices' Hurdle.
Was that from his website, CR?
I saw he just had another nipper, but didn't see anything about Moon Racer.
wasnt it in the rp under trainer comments in the supreme pricewise bit - not sure will go back and check
not quite word for word in RP but Gist the same - still in there fighting hes in good form but hed go straight there if anything
Surely they would be better saving him for next season? As much as I would be desperate to run, throwing a horse into a Supreme Novices Hurdle on hurdles debut could potentially end in disaster.
Agree with you there, Paterson.
Seems silly to throw his novice status away, chucking him straight into a race like that.
I heard that his setback was actually a serious injury, which would make sense, given that Pipe has been even more vague than usual.
Seems silly to throw his novice status away, chucking him straight into a race like that.
I heard that his setback was actually a serious injury, which would make sense, given that Pipe has been even more vague than usual.
He is 7 though isnt he? Would be a bit worried about an 8 year old novice!
Connections wouldn't rush a talented horse like this unless they were 100% sure he'd be up to the task. He had 5 months off before his Bumper win so clearly doesn't need much racing to be ready. Also i'm sure they wouldn't mind losing his novice tag by winning the Supreme.
Would be great if he ran.
Would be great if he ran.
Not as silly as it seems, as he would only lose his novice status if he won and then you've got a Supreme winner! Gets beat and they'll probably put him away again.
FFS, didn't read your post Mal. That's becoming a habit, I'm far too keen to to get my opinion across, love the sound of my own voice!
Apologies.
Apologies.
No problem DO. Keenness is good trait to have ..... i]for a human[/i].
Moon Racer 18/1 (Without Min) seems interwsting. Small stakes e/w just in case, I will kick myself if he turns up unbacked.
A very interesting entry for another French bred Ricci/Mullins novice, TOWNSHEND, in a G3 Novice Hurdle over 2m6f at Clonmel on Feb 4th. Was a big talking horse at start of season and not seen in UK/IRE yet. Ricci mentioned him a few times when interviewed early in season. Also has an entry Saturday at Cheltenham in the 2m Handicap Hurdle. Cant see him running at Cheltenham but you never know. If he runs well in either he will surely shorten considerably in both the Supreme and Neptune markets.
Townsend wasn't given a mark for Saturday at Cheltenham, so it's possible they are looking to run again to achieve a mark? So maybe Cheltenham handicaps on the agenda?
Could be the case but they were talking way higher than Handicaps earlier this season.
I haven't a clue but I think they obviously entered for the handicap on Saturday to have look at his mark but he wasn't given one.
If they want a mark they can contact the OH and discuss it with him/them.
As long as it has some form in the book.
As long as it has some form in the book.
They entered in a handicap on Saturday but the horse wasn't given a mark which obviously means because it's above a certain class the handicapper will not give him a mark due to him only running twice.
So gut then a question please, if they had entered Townshend for the Betfair Hurdle if they asked the handicapper for a mark for the race he would give them one?
Because I'm saying above a certain grade of handicap you have to have ran three times in total otherwise you will not qualify.
Sometimes they will give you a mark but that wouldn't help for getting into certain races as each has different qualifying criteria.
Actually you was saying originally they'd entered to see what mark he had which they'd know if he had been given one as it would be visible on their wetherbys account & if they was entering to see what the handicapper would do then that was daft as they'd know as well as anyone if you call and request a mark they'll discuss it with you, Whether they agree to one is another matter but that's how it's done not by entering to force his hand.
Buveur D'air seems to be friendless despite two very promising displays.
Yep impossible dont look too good,may have to have saver on Yorkhill who seems to be under radar a little lately.
I'd say the Buveur Dair drift is due to Hendo considering the Neptune as an option.
'stevo'
Yorkhill is down to run against Bellshill in the Deloitte at the weekend - it has also drifted from 9 to 11.5
GI MAC
Is that a fact? The Neptune is a stronger race with a proven 'fav', and Bellshill - the horse is 30 on the exchange.
Yorkhill is down to run against Bellshill in the Deloitte at the weekend - it has also drifted from 9 to 11.5
GI MAC
Is that a fact? The Neptune is a stronger race with a proven 'fav', and Bellshill - the horse is 30 on the exchange.
Buveur D'air has been given a rating of 154 by the official BHA handicapper, and is higher than what Altior (147) has achieved.
and its interesting that on rpr's wait for me has not improved since its debut and BD got a higher rpr against wfm than at huntingdon - so seems as both rp and BHA are trusting that form albeit have different opinion as to the value of it - also i dont recall very often seeing a horse with a significantly higher OR than RPR - i often see it the other way round however. Personally i wouldnt be rushing to back wfm off 139 in a handicap
I'd love to see WFM in a handicap Miltons.
Backed him to win any race ages ago at 10's, and I know I've got s0d all chance in the Supreme or Neptune, so looks like a handicap is the only thing I can hope for!!
Backed him to win any race ages ago at 10's, and I know I've got s0d all chance in the Supreme or Neptune, so looks like a handicap is the only thing I can hope for!!
Not a bad effort from Tombstone. Should seal his involvement in this race anyway.
Turning for home, I thought he might get well beaten, but plugged on well. Very hard to show a turn of foot on that ground.
I'm not more or less confident in the Supreme to be honest after that.
Backed up my view that Long Dog is a very underrated horse.
I'm not more or less confident in the Supreme to be honest after that.
Backed up my view that Long Dog is a very underrated horse.
Are we agreed the clock has run out for Moon Racer?
Would surely need more experience than he's got time for now.
Would surely need more experience than he's got time for now.
Bleu Et Rouge must be in contention for this. Hard to see him taking on Yanworth in the Neptune.
Surprised nobody else beat me to Charbel and the 90/1 supreme well after it's win before. I had that as a massive price today and it's form with go long (conceding 7lbs) has worked out extremely well with go long form with wade harper (conceding 7lb to him) doing that no harm too. Charbel popped them lovely there and it could be that Brain Power actually ran it's race expected considering the money that was down.
The way Yanworth is looking it's possible this years supreme winner may not get him off the bridle so there was no shame in that run behind him.
Surely that warrants a solid 145 from Charbel there conceding weight?
The way Yanworth is looking it's possible this years supreme winner may not get him off the bridle so there was no shame in that run behind him.
Surely that warrants a solid 145 from Charbel there conceding weight?
I seen that 90.0 but I decided not to play, hes already exposed and brain power isn't a buveur dair/altior or even a oo seven imo. EXpect you will get a run for your money though.
And somewhat enhances yanworth claims for the neptune, or an excuse to trim him further anyway.
And somewhat enhances yanworth claims for the neptune, or an excuse to trim him further anyway.
Buveur Dair bit more steady in market now, hopefully goes Supreme Henderson due change of luck in this race. Backed any race and w/out Min market.
Had a little interest on Charbel. Looks an improver,and at the prices thought worth a go.
Looks a definite runner,and might just surprise.
Looks a definite runner,and might just surprise.
I'm under the impression NJH had been reported to say Buveur D'air was heading for the Supreme a couple of days ago - is that not correct?
Yep read it last week Supreme was target,think it was on Racing Uk blog?
defo goes supreme, think Henderson wants to get another run into him before though.... looks a cracking alternative to Min at the prices, hes the better of the NH pair for me
if he learns to switch off and relax which fingers crossed he will, hes going to be a very good horse. been a tad keen in his runs to date.
Drifting? To accommodate RR's friends in the City perhaps; Min needs to win the Supreme convincingly if it's to challenge Faugheen in the champion Hurdle in 2017
I'm pretty sure that Yorkhill is Neptune bound. I think they rate him highly - just not as highly as Min. I think as a result that Bellshill will end up here. I've backed him in the without market but am also considering a saver in the main market at 20-1 as I can't see him going off anywhere near that price on the day.
I do, don't think he'll beat Min mind you but I can see him chasing him home, I was impressed with the way he ran against long dog 2 runs back where he didn't settle, got messed around before the home turn but still finished quite strongly, not too sure about last time tbh but think better ground and an end to end gallop will suit him.
If the odds here are any guide it's looking increasingly likely Yorkhill is heading the Neptune way. Does that mean Bellshill is heading this way or possibly the Albert Bartlett? I've always thought 16f is more suited for Yorkhill and not 20f the way he travelled against 00seven.
While my pocket would prefer Yorkhill to win the Supreme it should be noted that Monsignor and French Holly both won the Tolworth and then stepped up to the Neptune and won it easily.
With Yanworth making the market I'll be having a double maximum on Yorkhill e/w if he does go for the Neptune.
With Yanworth making the market I'll be having a double maximum on Yorkhill e/w if he does go for the Neptune.
Winter Escape could be a late comer to the Supreme party tomorrow. Alan King and JP McManus, so could be a nice little double with Yanworth. Huge step up in grade tomorrow, but BJG likes him.
A good run from Marracdja won't do Altior's form any harm.
A good run from Marracdja won't do Altior's form any harm.
Can't believe general principle is 11/10 to win the 2.10 at navan tomorrow. The bet of the season for me.
Still holds entries for cheltenham and fully expect him to win on the bridle here.
Still holds entries for cheltenham and fully expect him to win on the bridle here.
Re:Winter Escape
Did the trainer not say it was most likely be kept back for Aintree?
Did the trainer not say it was most likely be kept back for Aintree?
Ah right, didn't see that. You never know, a big run may force their hand.
Have backed Yorkhill @ 8/1 nrnb with b365.
scooby91
26 Feb 16 19:34
Can't believe general principle is 11/10 to win the 2.10 at navan tomorrow. The bet of the season for me.
Still holds entries for cheltenham and fully expect him to win on the bridle here.
General Principle was my biggest bet at last years festival but bombed out very disappointingly in the bumper - be interesting to see how he goes today.
scooby91
26 Feb 16 19:34
Can't believe general principle is 11/10 to win the 2.10 at navan tomorrow. The bet of the season for me.
Still holds entries for cheltenham and fully expect him to win on the bridle here.
General Principle was my biggest bet at last years festival but bombed out very disappointingly in the bumper - be interesting to see how he goes today.
I must admit I took a risk dipping more into my cheltenham bank than I usually would.
But Never in doubt. 11/10 a gift
But Never in doubt. 11/10 a gift
Had a small punt at 46 on here for Winter Escape on the back of the Dovecot, although I do realise he is probably less likely to run in the Supreme and wait for Aintree.
Would have learnt a hell of a lot from today, and is very unexposed. Alan King doesn't have a runner in the race, and JP only has Modus who's gone backwards in his last two runs, so I'm hoping those two combined things might let him take his chance.
Has a lot to find with Altior on the back of that run, but that was only his third run, and Marracudja would improve for the better ground he had today.
Only small stakes, but he'd be an interesting runner if they let him take his chance.
Would have learnt a hell of a lot from today, and is very unexposed. Alan King doesn't have a runner in the race, and JP only has Modus who's gone backwards in his last two runs, so I'm hoping those two combined things might let him take his chance.
Has a lot to find with Altior on the back of that run, but that was only his third run, and Marracudja would improve for the better ground he had today.
Only small stakes, but he'd be an interesting runner if they let him take his chance.
Altior's form looks very solid indeed, unless Min is some sort of superstar I think Altior is the most likely winner. I backed a couple of weeks ago at 6/1 and I'm tempted to go in again at 9/2
Min is a superstar don't worry about that! The form of the horse keeps getting boosts where ever you look. If you put a line through gurteen I know they think the world of that and gurteen beat de plotting shed who is very well thought of by Elliott and my friend who owns. Also in the same ownership is ball darc who won the grade 2 the last day. I think altior has grown as the season has gone on. The way it beat Maputo in November to its win over Xmas shows the way it's grown up and developed. I for one think this could turn out to be quite a strong supreme novices this year with min altior buveur dair supasundae tombstone. You can't discount Charbel and winter escape from the places if they turn up.
Yorkhills Tolworth form is also being franked left right and centre - will be a humdinger of an opening race if he is allowed to take his chance.
I agree with a couple of the last posts. This is wide open and the level of form being brought to the table by umpteen of the contenders makes it fascinating. If Min wins like some on here think it will it will be a potential superstar. There are plenty bringing good form including unheralded types like Chabrel who on good ground has a definite chance.
Winter Escape misses Cheltenham and goes to Aintree - Alan king
Buveur D'air is getting progressively weaker I wonder why?
Altior looks a Cheltenham type, well more than that he has already won a battle up the hill there.
Was then very impressive at Kempton slamming them. Love horses who 'hit a flat spot' then hack up.
A minefield of a race at the best of times but I am very keen on this one.
Was then very impressive at Kempton slamming them. Love horses who 'hit a flat spot' then hack up.
A minefield of a race at the best of times but I am very keen on this one.
he's the one that you could hang your hat on. He'll run his race and he finds for pressure. Be very hard to kick out of the 3
I never like backing horses at the festival who have not been asked a few questions. The track is suited to types that have the guts for the final climb. Sure you get the odd Black Aeroplane, but they are rare.
I think Min will be 5/2+ on the day, and expect Altior to be a very solid 4/1 or shorter.
I think Min will be 5/2+ on the day, and expect Altior to be a very solid 4/1 or shorter.
id agree BORNTOWIN hence why i would not back Min at 6-4. As like you i generally much prefer battle hardened horses like altior who have done it, have been to big festivals and you no are going to find of the bridle, has track form and would seem a banker ew bet.
However Mins wins visually have been outstanding and when you add the meat to the bones that its turned out he annihilated some pretty damn good horses, he won the same two races as previous winners and although he's pulled hard he's not finished like a tired horse at all and is actually sprinting clear at the finish. You've got me thinking this boyo could be very very special. If yorkhill doesnt run it doesnt look a race full of dangers, and with his jumping he could be a future CH hurdle horse (would say winner but small issue of faugheen)
Altior looks made for further. So if i have called it right then its all about how confident am i that I'm right to what price i would be happy backing my confidence. On pure ability I'm very confident, unfortunately its a fact he does pull and he's never been to a big festival so could boil over, also not sure if theres anything to take him as no final decs yet, and a hard puller at chelt with that hill is always a worry so i would want at least 5-2 to put those fears to bed.
Just can see him doing an exact repeat of Vautour and Faugheen.
However Mins wins visually have been outstanding and when you add the meat to the bones that its turned out he annihilated some pretty damn good horses, he won the same two races as previous winners and although he's pulled hard he's not finished like a tired horse at all and is actually sprinting clear at the finish. You've got me thinking this boyo could be very very special. If yorkhill doesnt run it doesnt look a race full of dangers, and with his jumping he could be a future CH hurdle horse (would say winner but small issue of faugheen)
Altior looks made for further. So if i have called it right then its all about how confident am i that I'm right to what price i would be happy backing my confidence. On pure ability I'm very confident, unfortunately its a fact he does pull and he's never been to a big festival so could boil over, also not sure if theres anything to take him as no final decs yet, and a hard puller at chelt with that hill is always a worry so i would want at least 5-2 to put those fears to bed.
Just can see him doing an exact repeat of Vautour and Faugheen.
Indeed Altior is destined for a trip as many, (most even) winners of this race are.
I have a strong opinion he will be there or thereabouts. Of course Min could be a machine, if he is I will enjoy the parade. With Altior not damaging the balance watching his tail!
I have a strong opinion he will be there or thereabouts. Of course Min could be a machine, if he is I will enjoy the parade. With Altior not damaging the balance watching his tail!
only worry i have is that altior will try and win can see him going after min, and burning himself leaving himself vulnerable for the place. Lots of IFS and Buts. Not long till there all answered!!
Altior is very weak,...no one wants to back it not even at 6.8!
Not to worry, the yard can get big race winners at 1000......
It's was not the winning I was concerned with, it was the taking part!
Bit bored, so just been having a quick look at the markets for the with Min and without Min.
Altior: 9/2 vs 11/4 = 61% of odds
B Dair: 13/2 vs 4/1 = 61% of odds
Yorkhill: 13/2 vs 4/1 = 61% of odds
Tombstone: 12/1 vs 6/1 = 50% of odds
Supasundae: 16/1 vs 12/1 = 75% of odds
Moon Racer: 20/1 vs 12/1 = 60% of odds
Silver Concorde: 20/1 vs 16/1 = 80% of odds
So if you fancy Silver Concorde or Supasundae, you're giving away much less of your odds in the without market, where backing Tombstone you're giving away the most.
Similarly in the World Hurdle, the best was Martello Tower and Whisper who kept 65% and 63% of their odds in the without Thistlecrack, whereas Aux Ptits Soins, you only keep 37.5%! (16/1 vs 6/1, so don't back him w/out Thistlecrack!)
Altior: 9/2 vs 11/4 = 61% of odds
B Dair: 13/2 vs 4/1 = 61% of odds
Yorkhill: 13/2 vs 4/1 = 61% of odds
Tombstone: 12/1 vs 6/1 = 50% of odds
Supasundae: 16/1 vs 12/1 = 75% of odds
Moon Racer: 20/1 vs 12/1 = 60% of odds
Silver Concorde: 20/1 vs 16/1 = 80% of odds
So if you fancy Silver Concorde or Supasundae, you're giving away much less of your odds in the without market, where backing Tombstone you're giving away the most.
Similarly in the World Hurdle, the best was Martello Tower and Whisper who kept 65% and 63% of their odds in the without Thistlecrack, whereas Aux Ptits Soins, you only keep 37.5%! (16/1 vs 6/1, so don't back him w/out Thistlecrack!)
Impossible.
I expect most people have backed there supreme horse by now. 6.8 isn't a huge price.
Very easy to over analyse when looking at the exchange markets now.
I expect most people have backed there supreme horse by now. 6.8 isn't a huge price.
Very easy to over analyse when looking at the exchange markets now.
Exactly scooby91, expect the markets from now until final suspension day to be very very quiet!
If one is going to be pulled out or switched to another race expect the person and i mean one person in the know to hoover everything up immediately upon him or her getting the news!
Meaning if anything was wrong with Altior, it wouldn't be anything at 6.8 9.8 or 16.5!!! And all the others will shorten (happens much slower admittedly but does happen)
If one is going to be pulled out or switched to another race expect the person and i mean one person in the know to hoover everything up immediately upon him or her getting the news!
Meaning if anything was wrong with Altior, it wouldn't be anything at 6.8 9.8 or 16.5!!! And all the others will shorten (happens much slower admittedly but does happen)
Exactly scooby91, expect the markets from now until final suspension day to be very very quiet!
i disagree with this, i can see a gamble occurring here on yorkhill and a full scale shake up in the market and if walsh were to ride him, then we could be dealing with min being as big as 4/1 or 5/1...lots to go on here, i for one haven't had a bet yet
i disagree with this, i can see a gamble occurring here on yorkhill and a full scale shake up in the market and if walsh were to ride him, then we could be dealing with min being as big as 4/1 or 5/1...lots to go on here, i for one haven't had a bet yet
Ruby wants to ride Yorkhill but not at the expense of Min hence the logic says Yorkhill will run in the Neptune and PPs cut Yorkhill to 4s today for the Neptune suggesting that is the way it's going.
what a carry on mister westsound i don't know how these boys sleep at night...thank the lord i no longer bet to much ante post
i thought he said he definitely runs here mullins, just no point in trying to form a tissue with this carry on imo
i thought he said he definitely runs here mullins, just no point in trying to form a tissue with this carry on imo
nah market says it runs here so a big shake up likely
Will be V interesting who rides what if Y does end up here. Just felt the PP cut in the Neptune was significant. Min would need to be showing signs all was not well surely to have Ruby even contemplating a switch given the way he has spoken of Min all winter. One thing is certain HC if it did happen it would blow the market apart.
I think he runs here too and can also see him going off a good bit shorter than he is at the moment.
i think walsh will ride yorkhill myself think he is a superior tool, could be wrong but it is very significant that he is considered for this with the neptune being an option, says to me they don't think min is the complete weapon all the hype says he is, i for one don't by the hype and especially at the price we are being asked to take, yorkhill is far more solid in my book...
i found this statement at the end of the tolworth interesting in regards trip for yorkhill
Yorkhill is by Presenting, so I was a little concerned about the ground. He surprised me how well he coped. Ruby arrived in plenty of time, a bit early perhaps as I was worried he might just run out of stamina as Andrew Tinkler was pressing from the bottom turn trying to make it a staying contest. We know he stays three miles from his point-to-point but he´s always shown us plenty of speed at home and the Supreme Novices´ is certainly not out of the equation at this stage. He and Min will both probably have another race before then - Willie Mullins, trainer.
i found this statement at the end of the tolworth interesting in regards trip for yorkhill
Yorkhill is by Presenting, so I was a little concerned about the ground. He surprised me how well he coped. Ruby arrived in plenty of time, a bit early perhaps as I was worried he might just run out of stamina as Andrew Tinkler was pressing from the bottom turn trying to make it a staying contest. We know he stays three miles from his point-to-point but he´s always shown us plenty of speed at home and the Supreme Novices´ is certainly not out of the equation at this stage. He and Min will both probably have another race before then - Willie Mullins, trainer.
Did someone not say RR has 1st claim on RW? Mr Mullins and Mr Walsh, wherever Bellshill or Yorkhill go they will meet either Barters Hill, Yanworth or Min so please be decisive for once and stop taking the micheal of punters. For goodness sake, it is only a horse race, an insignificant event in life!
Altior looks rock solid to me.
Min will have to be very special to floor him.
Min will have to be very special to floor him.
Today is the confirmation: will Bellshill and/or Yorkhill be amongst them? Will Bleu Et Rouge and/or Moon Racer be there too?
Definitely roo. Won't learn anything today I don't think.
I think it's shaping up to be a very weak Supreme and as such have had a dabble on Penglai Pavilion ew at 40/1 NRNB.
With Yorkhill going for the Neptune my main bet now is on Tombstone. Small antepost win bets at 20/1 and 25/1 and just had a really decent e/w bet @ 14/1.
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