Cheltenham Festival
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
These 137 comments are related to the topic:
Argento / Bet Bright Chase
Argento / Bet Bright Chase
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 137
|
By:
Not sure Smad Place gets the trip either but receiving 8lb will help.
|
|
By:
Surprised people saying SP wont stay,looks a real stayer to me.
|
|
By:
If reproducing RSA run he has to go close
|
|
By:
RACE HAS A HISTORY OF A LIVELY OUTSIDER.
|
|
By:
Won over 24f only twice Budde from 10 runs and they were both at class 3 level. Bet you were not aware of that right?
|
|
By:
Smad Place outstayed Sam Winner at Newbury last Feb. I was there and the ground was desperate. They had to miss out the first 2 fences in the home straight and Harry Topper won on the same card by over 20l which in itself shows what a bog it was. I've had a saver on Smad as the weights really favour him, but happy with my main bet on Black Thunder. He's going the right way and if Mr. Nicholls has entered just him then I'm happy at 12/1.
|
|
By:
yep, if he were not in receipt of weight i'd have him as 4th/5th favourite.
|
|
By:
Not sure what you on about Sint,I know his form as well as anyone,it's there for all to see.
Yes Shock, he stays alright. Ran a good race in the RSA and think he's an intersting one for the Gold Cup at the prices. |
|
By:
Have had a little play on Black Thunder in this at 10s antepost with the 3 places korals offering. Had a bit of drama before being laid though by the nice looking girl behind the counter in the North Shields shop
I pass slip over explaining it is antepost for Saturday Girl puts it straight through the till Being nice i reply "Don't you want to double check that price and place terms of the bet please" Girl reply "Why do i have to check the place terms?" looking all confused "Why what is it for?" "It is the betbright chase on Sat" So she brings the screen up all is well and she reports that at the moment there is 8 runners and so it is 3 places but if a non runner then it will be 2 places  So when i explain to her it is an antepost bet and that i will be paid 3 places even if only 3 run she tried to argue with me and said do you want the bet or not! Absolutely crazy  |
|
By:
at least she was nice looking
 probably her best trait |
|
By:
See shouldn't complain being laid by nice looking girl!!1
|
|
By:
 |
|
By:
Shhh the wife might see this
 |
|
By:
 |
|
By:
seathes be carefull I had a similar beta few years back in the arkle a few years back ,I backed menorah a few weeks before the race when there were about 10-12 runners ,on the day of race less than 8 ran and menorah placed 3rd ,went into laddies and put slip over and bird says its a loser ,the till didn't recognise it as a winner ! had a right hoo ha trying to explain and went back 2 times before it was settled and paid out !
|
|
By:
I have also been there before foyleswar. It is frustrating when it happens but the main thing is to stay calm and be patient cos you know your in the right. When it happened to me I was in a different shop to the one that i had the bet placed with and when they rang the shop it was them that explained that they were wrong and it should have a return. This was this same shop believe it or not and i was trying to collect in Preston. If i have a similar return i will just calmly request that they read the rules and or phone their manager.
|
|
By:
I lost out on a special double going back to 2000 on the phone. It was a special "Ceefax" (on C4 actually) offer with the tote. They were offering 120/1 special double for Strong Promise to win its prep and the gold cup and 1/4 a place. I rang up and asked them to check with the traders regarding the place offer. They did this and confirmed it was 1/4 for the place. Anyway Strong Promise duly placed in both and they paid me to 1/10 for the place. I complained and it went to IBAS and I lost even though they had a recording of the phone call and they said that it was down to human error and everybody knows on special doubles it pays 1/10.
Couldn't believe it  |
|
By:
Baffled by the Smad Place not staying opinions. Smacks more of looking at numbers than watching him race imo.
Won twice over fences over 3 miles, once out staying Sam Winner on heavy ground. Also was only beaten a whisker in an RSA and never stopped galloping. Proper stayer imo. |
|
By:
Baffled me too my friend.
Outstaying Sam Winner on heavy ground says it all. |
|
By:
Agree with the last two guys completely. 10 of his last 11 runs were at 3m, so if he doesn't stay I'm sure he would have been re-routed by now!
|
|
By:
Yep. I'm jumping on this bandwagon too... Can't understand either...anyone suggesting he won't stay can't have watched him race! Particularly as a novice in the RSA when him and the winner pulled right way and both flew up the hill.
|
|
By:
I've just seen he's best priced 16/1 now!!
|
|
By:
Sorry for presenting you with the facts folks. Guess they're not welcome on here when someone's had a punt.
|
|
By:
Ah facts
C'mon sint, you have to admit you look at his two runs at the end of last season and it screams strong stayer. You can hardly think my view is madness? or way off the mark it's got plenty of basis in evidence. |
|
By:
Never said it was madness CV, I just expressed doubts and presented some evidence as to why. Then Buddelia claims not to understand what was presented. Form says he has won over 3 miles 2 times from 10 attempts both at class 3 level. Yes, he beat Sam Winner, but it's clutching at straws a bit to suggest SW was the same last season, PFN has clearly improved him. In any case, I also said in receipt of 8lb it will give him an advantage against the rest so it's not like I said he can't win, the Argento is his Gold Cup really given the terms of the race.
|
|
By:
And the prize money has recently increased so he's probably been saved for it.
|
|
By:
You can't really say this is Smads Gold Cup. Yes he has the weight advantage and he has to put in a strong performance, but his Festival pedigree says he should be in the mix in the Gold Cup. 2 2nds in the World Hdle and 2nd in the RSA says to me he has the class.
I would say Saturdays race will be hoped as a nice stepping stone not the seasons objective. |
|
By:
I think it is. He's fallen short of the highest level every time he's tried so i'd expect him to be trying for his life this Saturday, it's his level imo. Then you have the trainer who's a bit overrated given the volume of high quality animals he gets.
|
|
By:
Couldn't disagree with you more Sint. Getting beaten by that little in the biggest 3m novice championship race of the season doesn't really constitute falling short in my view. He has competed at the highest level throughout his career so why can't he again?
|
|
By:
I'm not talking about Saturday's race Sint.
All I was saying is he stays and that it was in the form book which we can all see. He's staying really well in the RSA,and say what you like re Sam Winner but he's a true stayer,and to outstay him on heavy ground,you have to stay. If anyone says Smad Place don't stay at least 3m,then imo they are not watching him,and ignoring the form. |
|
By:
I said on another thread,probably CV,s gold cup one,that I would be looking at proper staying types for the gold cup this season.
Smad Place imo is one. Not betting on this race Saturday,but I will be watching with interest,and in particular Smad after his below par performance in the Hennessey.Should run much better I would hope,but whatever happens he will be primed come March.........hopefully!! |
|
By:
I think you could always argue that Smad may lack the ultimate class at the highest level, but I don't think you can doubt his stamina.
He had Sam Winner and Carlingford Lough behind him in the RSA, and strongly suspect Many Clouds would not have got near him had he stayed on his feet; and he had Dynaste miles back in a World Hurdle. The weights are obviously favourable for him in the Argento, but he's hardly thrown in. He's getting 8lbs of Dynaste, Bolster, Many Clouds and Holywell, but rated between 14lbs and 8lbs lower than them. I'd argue though that Dynaste's rating is based on his 2.5m form, Holywell is out of form, I think Smad is possibly a better horse than Many Clouds and although the Bolster loves Cheltenham, he hasn't raced for a long time. |
|
By:
Sorry 4lbs off Holywell
|
|
By:
The thing with saying Smad has fallen short at the highest level. He lost the RSA by 1/2l and if O'Faoilains Boy had say, hit the last or had a different jock Smad would be an RSA winner. 1/2 where both horses are galloping on at the end of the race. That's the evidence for me he's got the stamina at the top level. RSA is the trial for the Gold Cup these days.
Denman, Long Run, Bobs Worth, Lord Windermere all highest placed finisher in the RSA won next years Gold Cup. Strong stat for Smad tbh. |
|
By:
Hard to use last seasons Sam Winner as a yardstick for Smad Place, also last seasons RSA does not look a very good race imo.
Will be interesting race on saturday. |
|
By:
Well that's another story whether he's good enough,he may not be. I am hoping he is cos I think he's a Gold cup type in that he will relish 3m2 f at Cheltenham. He seems to like it there. And imo the book says he stays.so do my eyes.
|
|
By:
tbf the 1st and 3rd in RSA haven't been seen. Ballycasey has won this season. Carlingford lough ran huge race fto in Lexus will come on a ton. Sam Winner came 3rd in the Lexus and has won couple of races.
Seems a fair renewal so far. If anything the season befores renewal looked poor and it had the Gold Cup winner!!! |
|
By:
Don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting his class - backed him pre Hennessey at 20's for the Gold Cup, so I would have been better waiting.
To place in a World Hurlde at 5 and 6 shows class, as well as last years RSA after an interrupted prep - but (there's always a but), I'm not sure if he is a nearly horse - he nearly won the RSA, he placed in World Hurdles etc - just never really ever been able to get his head in front. |
|
By:
The Giant Bolster looks a bit underrated by the market just now. Ran perfectly respectably at Haydock (4.5 lengths behind Dynaste). Only 4 career chase wins (3 of 'em on the New Course), won last years renewal - yep, on less favourable terms this year but won comfortably last year. Admittedly the latest renewal looks a better race than last year in hindsight but I'm not sure it would have done at the time (if you see what I mean...)
The other thing bugging me a bit is that all the sexier, progressive types are at least 8yo so how progressive are they likely to be? He's the second highest rated horse in the race (third at the weights if you factor in the concession of 4lbs to Holywell) and he's performing over his optimum C&D. Oh, and at the risk of stating the obvious, he was 3rd in the Gold Cup beaten less than a length.I'm actually struggling to think of one single reason why he won't run a big race. Instinctively, I'd be disappointed if Smad Place can't beat him in receipt of 10lbs but the form book is telling me he's the solid ew proposition and placepot banker here. Hmmmm... |
|
By:
Holywell a non runner.
|