Gold Cup Pricewise Tuesday

I was expecting it to be Carlingford Lough. Looks like the bookies were too. Maybe Smad Place at 33/1 if you took the view he may have needed the run in the Hennessy. Boston Bob? Can't have him myself, but seem to remember Segal saying he rated the horse in a pricewise column, maybe for the Lexus.

wonder how many diff horses get cut tomorrow by 8pm with our bookie friends trying to second guess the tip. shutfrontdoor is my early guess at 20/1.

I'll guess SAM WINNER, likes a big price does our Tom.

Carlingford Lough has been tpped by Gary o Brien on at the races site hence that being cut in the betting.Look at something you think wont run in the race that is what Sir Tom is likely to tip, His AP record for even getting runners is poor at best.

He won't go for the top 2, but this race is easy for him as you can make a case for practically any other runner in the entries and they're all at prices. All depends how he wants to spin it.

Given his love affair with Jonjo, I think he might go for Holywell, and possibly at a bigger price Fingal Bay.

It really is disgusting how the books tighten up a few the day before his column.

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He won't go for the top 2, but this race is easy for him as you can make a case for practically any other runner in the entries and they're all at prices. All depends how he wants to spin it.

Was about to say the exact same thing.  Because so may are double figure prices, you could make a case for about 10 of them.

He's lost his mind. Holywell at 14/1 he picked!!

Good grief!!
Worse priced horse gonna get even worse!!!!

16's available with Lards atm, any takers?

Though he also tips Carlingford Lough at 25/1 which is my pick. So he still has some sanity.

Some going 10's !!

Glad I took 33/1 about Carlingford.  Cannot believe Holywell

if i were a bookie i wouldnt wanna be laying him above 12/1

he does the same thing every year. bad ground, ridden 'badly' until cheltenham when everything suddenly works, given a good ride and travels well.

i think he'll place in the gold cup, i think he has a bit of class

I'd rather be on two time festival winner Holywell than Carlingford (I can't jump round Prestbury Park) Lough.......

Wondered why Carlingford had shortened,i did manage to get fair prices on here after the Lexus,so quiet glad about that.Just hope he runs better than he did in the RSA last year.

Id rather be on a horse that looks like winning a race this season.
Probably about 10 at far bigger odds than Holywell I would rather be on.

Each to their own though

It's a fix obviously. Half the field gets shortened because a bookie funded racing paper put up two horses. Not fair on folk adding bits and bobs.  Bought rp once, and it was utter dross. For the festival aswell. Equine yellow pages.

budd just look at what holywell does every season prior to the festival...couldnt win off 119 before winning off 140 at the festival. last year, couldnt win a chase in 3 starts including unseating. mccoy wins two by short distances then he wins off 145 at the fesitval easily, and follows up.

as long as he runs a good encouraging race in feb he'll be bang on for the gold cup.

Best to get the big races sorted by now if playing Ante Post,i usually manage to do that.

Pricewise.............pain in the ****!!

Couldnt back the Holywell with borrowed not interested how much he comes on for the run

I know what Holywell has done previously, and I don't really care to be honest.
Ive seen him jump this season out of novice company,thats enough for me to ignore the prices he has been.

If a miracle occurs so be it.

Does anyone know the full details, i.e price taken, and points staked?

fair enough!

CL 1pt at 20/1 NRNB
HW 1pt at 14/1 NRNB

Thanks mac

Thing is as far as I know,and I may be wrong,but I believe hes hovered around 14/1 most of the season??
Despite 2 bad jumping performances,hes now 10's in places!!

To back a horse that's jumped like that, and one that has to prove himself at this level I would want a lot more than those sort of prices.

Is he priced on what hes done in past festivals after being rubbish earlier in those seasons??

Suppose some horses just come good at the Festival. Albertas Run was hardly much good elsewhere before Spring.

exactly ^ jonjo is a master at getting them ready for that one day

Albertas had some good races at places like Ascot,but unfortunately he was entered in the King George a couple of times and he weren't a true stayer.
He also was proved at the top level at his distance.

Im not disputing his trainers ability to get one there on the day.
But imo that's not enough to justify his price hes been this season,nor is his form for a Gold Cup imo.

Budd you're right about the price angle. Looking at price movements for Holywell he was 14/1 around Mid November, since then he has ON FORM gon backwards and is now shortening due to Pricewise, having said that Ladbrokes have stuck their neck out and gone 16/1 and obviously want to get him.

I get the previous festival angle too but I suppose if you believe that then there is little point backing him Ante Post as he is likely to be bigger having failed before the event!!!!!   If that makes sense.

Taking a bit risk by largely relying on a trainers reputation though.

I'd rather back one with form in the book rather than the hope that a trainer can bring a heap of improvement for one day.

Not saying he won't but its a big leap of faith imo

* big risk

Holywell is just out of his novice chase season don't forget (after which he was awarded a rating of 163). He's now embarking on his first full season in open company, I'd judge him on his ability to compete at the highest level at the end of this season, only reasonable.

I think he's a terrible price and I don't believe in the rating he was given for winning the Grade 1 at Aintree. No RSA winner has run well in that race and Don Cossack was thumped further by Carlingford Lough than he was by Holywell. He does relish Cheltenham but his 2 wins came in handicaps while Lord Windermere won two grade 1's. I know who I'd prefer to back between those two.

Agree CV, don't fancy Lord Windermere but would take him in a match bet.

I think that's only fair GI Mac.

If he wins, I'll hold my hands up and admit that I was wrong, but at this moment in time, his price is pretty terrible.  He should be in amongst the sea of horses around the 20/1 - 25/1 mark imo, with the Carlingford Lough's, Many Clouds, Smad Place etc.

He's picked the wrong one lads,But i'm happy TDS will be under the radar

Trouble is Mac, to back him for the Gold Cup you have to judge him before the race mate.
Im more than willing to admit im wrong after the event,but how on earth can I back him now on what ive seen.
Thers horses at twice,even three times his price, with better form.

TDS in the Ryanair(aint he?).....if we see him again this season.

Surely Not gonna stay 3m 2f.

Yeah hard to see Jonjo running all 3 of his in Gold Cup. Depends on how Taquin runs nto I suppose

Could see taquin running in Ryanair,Holywell will save his best for the spring,Lord Windermere is a great price Cv,if it turns into a slog shutthefrontdoor could well be in the frame !

Gary OBrien on ATR website also tipped up Carlingford Lough 33s NR NO bet,had saver on here at 40s few days back,so nice trade now for free bet.

If his runs this season put you off fair enough, peronnally given who his trainer is (and his recent form) I'd be inclined to over look them. I'm happy to judge him at the end of the season RE being a G1 horse.

You cannot ignore his festival form and his overall chase profile is progressive. Synchronised was similarly under estimated given he ran mostly in handicaps. It's not looking the stongest renewal this year, so Holywell winning would not surprise me in the slightest.

As I said above I'd rather have him than carlingford Lough, who did not jump the course well enough in the RSA.

By the way, I've not backed him or anything

tbf to Synchronised he won one to the 2 biggest trials for the Gold Cup in the Lexus Chase.

aye, but he still had an SP of 8/1 come GC, that would have been bigger had he not been pricewised on the day, even after winning the Lexus he was still underestimated, he was still a "handicapper"

Well Kauto and Long Run resulted in that, he was 3rd fav though

think id rather be on the other jonjo stayer meself

Can not see the link between Holywell running poorly last year and finding himself VERY well handicapped. And running poorly this season before the Grade 1 Gold Cup.

that is true, my point simply was that his previous festival wins have been after not exactly encouraging displays. i take your point tho the GC is a completely different ball game.

he was clearly ran first time up this year to blow away the cobwebs, 20f on soft ground was never going to suit him and so it proved. he then fell at aintree and jonjo was long out of form.

he's now back in form and if holywell can mix it in good company before the gold cup or even win he'll be single figures. i take the view of preferring to ignore his two runs this season, because they havent told us anything and the more recent was when jonjo was out of form. even more of that absolutely bombed.

If Carlingford Lough or Holywell win the Gold Cup then basically it's a **** Gold Cup.

The missing word starts with s and ends with t.

well its not exactly the best gc in terms of quality anyway is it?

It's an incredibly open Gold Cup though. Many many chances with horses that can have cases made for them and that makes it intriguing. Well it does to me anyway.

Yep,its a very interesting race and a darn good betting one too imo.