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tomdeane
When: 07 Jan 15 17:41
Ha!

Just rewatched it again, and he probably does lose about 7 lengths! So maybe I'm now back on the original side of the fence again Laugh

Still a little concerned about the speed angle coming down the hill but less so than 5 minutes ago... It's only January too. How many times will I have rewatched this before the 10th March?
By:
buddeliea
When: 07 Jan 15 17:41
I think it fair to say,he lost 5-6 lengths and the jockey got him close enough as he could at the end,getting beat about 2 and a half lengths.
By:
buddeliea
When: 07 Jan 15 17:44
Sorry 7 lengths!!Laugh Hows ya eyes Tom??
By:
Wicketd
When: 07 Jan 15 17:44
sam just didnt want to panic. he did the right thing, he has it in his head after getting beat by at fishers cross that the horse only quickens once and he needs to time that burst of speed, even more so in the champion hurdle. he may have made up the ground and not been far behind the leaders, making it seem as if he was outpaced when shaken up, but i'd wager that the hampering affected him in as much as that when the taps were turned, the extra exertion to make up the ground (which he wouldnt have had to do had he not been hampered, told.
By:
buddeliea
When: 07 Jan 15 17:47
yep, summed up well wicket.

Just cannot afford to lose that amount of ground in a Churdle, its as simple as that.
By:
Wicketd
When: 07 Jan 15 17:49
im faugheens biggest fan and what i find funny is that people say if faugheen makes a mistake like he did in neptune he won't win CH, yet they also say that the hampering might not have affected the new one! makes no sense
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tomdeane
When: 07 Jan 15 17:54
One other slightly devil's advocate-like possibility is that, seeing as TNO did fly up the hill, perhaps Sam could have gone earlier and won the race.

I'm not suggesting he was at fault as I think 99.9% of people would have wanted him to let TNO get back into his rhythm before asking for everything, but on watching the race yet again, I can't help wonder where he would have finished if he'd asked him a bit sooner.

Tough, tough job riding these championship races!
By:
harry callaghan
When: 07 Jan 15 17:54
he certainly loses all rhythm in the race after the faller and he also jumps poorly right handed after the incident...tricky to be sure and the front 2 really accelerated around the home turn and down towards the last when twistin davies just sat before really asking him down to the last...the race was over and he was catching tiring rivals who had put the pace/speed to the race, i have no doubt he would of had every chance but it also has to be remembered in the heat of the race he wasn't being asked, this is the only thing i am struggling with
By:
Wicketd
When: 07 Jan 15 17:56
my initial thought straight after the race was that TNO was a very unlucky loser and i still think that. i think he would've won comfortably. i think he is a 170 horse, but i think faugheen could be 175+
By:
wellchief
When: 07 Jan 15 18:27
The New One was always liable to throw in the odd dodgy leap last year - his last hurdle blunder against MTOY in the Christmas Hurdle was a prime example.  I remember people were rightly using it as a negative going into last years Champion (Obviously what happened in the Champion was not his fault).

This year, I feel he's improved his jumping quite a bit.  With a clear round of jumping, I'm sure he would have won the Christmas Hurdle, and because I think he jumps better now, I actually think he is a better horse than last year.  Faugheen, imo, is now more likely to throw in a dodgy jump than TNO.

I also thought he was a relentless galloper, who didn't have a particularly big turn of foot.  However, the way he quickened away from Vaniteux last time out changed my mind on that as well.

Overall, I have no idea whether he'll beat Faugheen, but I'm pretty confident of him finishing ahead of Jezki.
By:
ZEALOT
When: 07 Jan 15 20:31
Sizing Europe looked home n hosed in the champion ...............  I know it got injured but anything can happen .

Id much rather watch and admire if it wins than take 5/4 against a horse that might be .....
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