Vautour Win Any Race 6/1 with Hills

never went a yard for me at any point today...why anybody now see him as a bet after that should be careful imo until they at least know the well being of the horse...kalkir was also disappointing, smells to me but hey ho we shouldn't speculate

All over this bet!!

Surely WPM's record with chasers at Cheltenham/UK puts you off..6% strike rate!!

i agree over reaction today

Don't want to bash Townend unnecessarily, and the horse clearly wasn't himself today but he didn't seem to get a decent jump out of him all the way round.

The over reaction has been immense!! Bookies are reacting as if the horse has lost leg!! 6/1 to win any race is a pure do your bollocks on it and I can't believe it's around to be honest

Especially when it's virtually the same price as his general for each of the Arkle and JLT.

He's not a 2 miler, he made a bad mistake and plugged on to regain 2nd on run in. I've taken the 6/1 to win any race, it's exceptional odds.

Just placed a large bet at those odds. Only worry is an injury, if he's done himself today or not.

If he's sound enough i think he will be an arkle horse. Unless he gets stuffed before then.

Never runs over 2 miles again. Lesson learned.

not a 2 miler act up he won the supreme doing cartwheels CV you write some horlicks in here

Yeh, and I don't think it was the pace of the race that beat it today somehow....he smashed up clarcam hard on the bridle last time out.

Think we will find out shortly he has a problem? Defo never looked in comfort zone at all.

As Howdi says...you do read some amount of b0llocks on here.....

yeh, the complete disregard for all  the likely horses he may face at the festival.
Theres loads of good novices around this year.
Gilgamboa was a lot more impressive yesterday,and will probably contest the JLT and theres plenty of others.

Agree with CV in that he wont be in the Arkle, although I am not so sure he aint a 2 miler still.who knows what would have happened had he not made that mistake, and novices are allowed to, as long as they learn from them.

Gobsmacked noone mentions the training of the horse. How many times have you seen Mullins send a novice chaser into a Grade 1 chase with 1 run and they end up falling? Guy never learns. MDH, Flat Out, CF, now Vautour.

Horse never travelled in the race before his bad mistake and he clearly wasn't right. He thrashed the winner on the same terms on his debut. Be interesting to see what's reported over the next few days.

From a personal point of view, I was quite fortunate to lay off my Arkle and Champion Chase bets on Xmas eve; but I've now reinvested that money with this bet.  6/1?  I can't believe it, out from a general 6/4.

Hills have now trimmed him back in to 9/2.

When Champagne Fever tripped up in the same race last year, he was eased from 3's to 5's for the Arkle, so it was an overreaction for the bookies to push Vautour out to 8's straight after.

Just shows with these novices though, like UDS in his first race, its a risky business going in big on them at short odds, because they can be prone to mistakes.

just hope he hasnt picked up a knock.

Not a 2miler? I think I've heard it all.

Sint, I know WPM's record is poor, but think its a bit harsh in this instance. Vautour was unbeaten and has looked nothing but exceptional. The way he jumped first time up was outstanding. As good as you could hope to see from a novice chaser IMO. I don't think they over faced the horse yesterday... Just agree that there must have been something wrong. That and the fact PT never seemed to get him into any sort of rhythm. Think the horse lost his confidence after a couple of dodgy jumps.

Its possible hes not as good chasing as he was over hurdles??,it can happen.
Not saying I think that, he jumped really well on his debut as you say.
Hes a 2 miler, course he is, but its possible hes also a 2 and half miler and in time a 3 miler...who knows??
Its the job of trainer to work out his best distance at this time and the distance that gives him most chances of winning races.
His next entry will be interesting.

what i noticed was that he was not given as "easy time " up front as he has had in his last few races, he was headed up front by real steel  ,don't know if its significant  and in no way crabbing vautour as he is obviously an exceptional talent ,who knows what would have happened without the mistake imo he needs further than 2m ,I know he pished up in the supreme but wpm has said he is a possible gold cup horse ,thing was he made the mistake 5 out but it was a slip on landing he didn't hit the fence and have the stuffing knocked  out him  ,he lost  about 2-3 lengths   and was quickly back in contention ,ground may have been an issue? or something may come up post race ??

Whether he hit the fence or not Foyles, that would still have taken plenty out of him.
I agree it's an over reaction from the bookies, he still has plenty of talent as we know.
It will interesting to hear the excuses from team Mullins, and where he goes next. I hope he bounces back and heads for the Arkle still.

what bookies are going 6/1  any race?

"Not a 2 miler" thats a unbelivable statement. He almost stopped to a walk up the run in. Do you think he would of won over further CV?

Unless I've really missed something I'm surprised people are saying he wasn't travelling and didn't look happy. I've watched it back this morning and he seemed to be going fine to me until he knuckled on landing and almost went over. The ground looked awful so maybe he didn't appreciate that too much and it stifled his fluency a little, but it's not like he was jumping badly beforehand. Given how he dispatched Clarcam first time out, and with the ground yesterday, I'm drawing a line underneath it unless of course something does come out in the next few days. He may well have strained something when he almost went

It was Hills Foyles but they are back into 9/2 now

Think the crucial thing as far as future running plans are is what connections will be thinking after that yesterday.
Hopefully we will know sooner rather than later.

I'm not one for criticising jockeys, but i don't think that was the smartest of rides. Could be wrong, but he should have looked after it more.

Yeah, I thought that.  After his chance had gone, I thought they could have been a bit easier on him in the home straight.

Too much whiskey for me last night!! He probably still goes for Irish Arkle next.

I've him to win any race at the festival now so I don't mind where he goes after that. I'm just near certain UDS and Vautour won't run in the same race, which would lead me to believe Vautour will go for the JLT.

Anyway, tired of the Vautour Cheltenham target talk. It won't end until he lines up in March.

PP still after Vautour in Arkle. Gone 8/1 this morning. Have stepped in. Cant let that go. Worth taking the chance.

Agree entirely with you Graeme... PT seemed desperate for second when the race was over. Thought he might have been trying to teach him to battle, but seemed the wrong time to do it after the near fall.

I've never rated him as a jockey and thought he was pretty poor overall yesterday.

Willie Mullins is drawing a line through Vautour's defeat at Leopardstown on Friday.

Last year's Supreme Novices' Hurdle winner lost his position at the head of the betting for the Arkle when well beaten by Clarcam, whom he had beaten easily earlier in the season.

A bad blunder in the back straight contributed to his defeat, but Mullins also feels there was an underlying issue.

"I'm just drawing a line under Vautour's run. He wasn't right. I didn't actually see the race yet, but from talking to all my people at home in the stable and people who watched the race, the horse wasn't right," said the Closutton handler.

"I have my own reasons. People who were watching him said to me 'he just didn't stride the way he does'. I have my own reasons for that and I think he'll get over that and hopefully I'll bring him back to the way he was. Vautour will come back to himself."

Champagne Fever ran with credit in the King George before getting tired close home and the champion trainer said: "That's probably as good as he is. He'll probably get an entry in the Gold Cup, but he'd need to improve about a stone on the King George run to have a chance."

While Kalkir was also turned over at long odds on, he is another Mullins thinks will bounce back.

"I didn't expect him to get beaten and I think he'll come back from this," said Mullins.

He added of Christmas Hurdle hero Faugheen: "He's improving all the time and we were delighted with him.

"We went racing yesterday with four favourites going to Cheltenham and we knew they couldn't all win."

As long as he's fit and well I am still v.confident. I was at Cheltenham for Supreme and have a compelling image of how Vautour charged up the hill. He may be more of a spring horse, his run early New Year 2014 was fairly average, struggled to beat Western Boy. Next run a month later he impressively beat the Tullow Tank.

I am sticking to the dream - Vautour (Arkle) and Kalkir (Triumph). Conditions at Leopardstown were extreme and the nose dive definitely negatively impacted Vautour and it makes no rationale sense for Clarcam to deliver such a huge reverse with Vautour. I am going to take advantage of the doubters and carry on loading on both Vautour and Kalkir - double and singles.

So they'll all 'come back', cheers for that Willie

How about considering alternative targets for Champagne Fever rather than helping us out with OR for the Gold Cup...

Entered in the Irish Arkle alongside UDS. Wonder if he'd run both seeing as the JLT is looking the race of the festival at the moment

So is Valseur Lido Tory and I wouldn't be surprised to see him contest it though the JLT is surely his Cheltenham target? Don Poli has been strong in the RSA market this past few days. Willie has a real dilemma here with Vautour. He either takes on UDS or VL at Cheltenham - neither prospect will appeal to him - but the Irish Arkle might just help him sort it out.

Mullins had more than 1 runner in the JLT last year,no reason why he wont do the same this year.
Valseur Lido I think could well run in the race,and judging by the way he finishes his races off at 2 and half,it looks like he could step up to 3m ok,so probably could run in RSA also.
Vautour is different owner anyway, so should not be a problem with him doubling him up in whatever race they choose.
Could depend on which horses they think have the best chances of winning their respective races?
UDS looks to me to have the easier task of winning the Arkle than VL would in the JLT,as that race looks to me like it will be a fair bit more competitive,so on that basis they might well double up in the JLT.

Anyway 2nd guessing Mullins aint easy!!!

UDS will only go Arkle but running Vautour as well in the Irish Arkle to see where the land lies makes sense to me.

However, it doesn't cover off the Ruby issue. Without Vautour in the JLT there's no obvious ride for Ruby, which I do think will play a part in the plans. They could look at the likes of Vroum Vroum Mag or Adrian Des Mottes for Ruby in the JLT I suppose.

Either way, if Vautour runs in and wins the Irish Arkle then he'd have to be Arkle bound at Chelt you'd assume.

The problem they've got with Vautour and UDS, which Vautour has already fallen foul of with Faugheen IMO, because he's missed out on a seasons campaign toward the CH because Faugheen is in the way and Vautour is able to go chasing, is that with UDS they've only got one race to go for chasing wise and that's the Arkle, they couldn't possibly consider running him over further with the way he goes about things, so even though Vautour should be running in the Arkle, he may once again find himself being shunted sideways because of his versatility....at this rate they'll have to re-name him James Milner.

Weak in both the Arkle and JLT markets......wonder if something's up?

Queen mother suspended,maybe entries close

And has shortened in the QMCC market... PP notice lay shorter than everyone else. Hmmmmmm

* noticeably

7/2 from 6 win any race market

Not entered in queen mother,surely arkle bound !

Anyone who thought Vautour was going to run in the Queen Mother Champion Chase please put their hands up....that was a 999/1 chance. Even when Walsh said novices are novices there were people still saying Vautour should run in this cos Un De Sceaux was going (and going to get beat) in the Arkle.

When does Un De Sceaux next run? Hopefully against Grade 1 animals so it gets found out and sense prevails.

No no no collector,we dont want to see him again so we can lay lay lay until March for a jolly up

What I meant collector was that surely the horse stays over 2 miles,the qm was the only other race was over 2,won't want a slog over 2 and a half,New course takes some getting,surely runs in the arkle !

Well that's true as well right enough....biggest talking horse on here..."superstar" etc.......makes me . How many Grade 1s he won?

cufcno...should definitely run in the Arkle. No brainer. Wasn't himself over Christmas and next time they meet he'll blow Clarcam n co away. Un De Sceaux should just go **** off to a 4 runner novice round Bangor on heavy ground and win by 80 lengths and keep the masses hopes up

I hope un de sceaux runs in the arkle,so Vautour can blow it away,what a price it will be,even around 3-1 will be the best price  ever for a horse !

Comical suff

Stuff even!!

Vautour in the JLT seems to be hard to accept for some!!

I be amazed if its not uds arkle vautour jlt cf qmcc tbh Imo!

Not sure re Cfever,but think you are right about UDS and Vautour mate

Cf has the speed and accuracy for the qmcc, Imo wpm ran him in the kg to find out what he got and his class got him to where he finished. I haven't backed him for anything but I may have just talked myself into a little nrnb bet lol.

Well he would almost definitely be in the QM if the Ryanair weren't around,but that race gives them a choice.
Hope hes in the QM,and I hope Vautour is in the Arkle,but I aint sure at all that they will be.

The Irish Arkle will tell us a lot more. I doubt very much that both UDS and Vautour will run. The biggest problem for WPM with the JLT is Valseur Lido. I'm not at all convinced that Vautour will beat him at the extended trip and believe Vautour will have a better chance taking on UDS over 2 miles.

O'Leary won't be taking Don Poli on with Valseur Lido in the RSA. If they think DP might be a Gold Cup horse in 2016, is he really going to contest a 4 mile slog for amateur riders? They'd be fookin mad.

Forgot about valseur lido lol, and ive fooken backed him for jlt pmsl. And don poli for rsa

Festivalfanatic I couldn't have put it better myself !

What I would like is for Vautour to run in and win the Irish Arkle,and UDS to run in and win another easy race by a street, and then both meet in the Arkle at Cheltenham.
Reckon this forum will go into meltdown leading up to the race!!!

Seriously though,Vautour will have to be put up against either UDS or VLido,unless of course VL goes RSA,then Gigginstown would have to decide about DPoli taking him on or going 4 miles.

Great fun aint it??!!!

Utterly spiffing Budd yeah lol

FF spot on IMO. Hard to justify putting Vautour up in trip for the first time at Chelts for the JLT, unless it's because the race is easier to win, and with VL, that doesn't seem to be the case.

Personally I think either uds or vautour runs Irish whichever one doesn't runs in an egg n spoon race somewhere then onto Cheltenham but whichever runs in Irish equivalent will wait for punchestown maybe.

Could be that at Cheltenham though a kind of face off between O'Leary and rich Ricci in the jlt. Though gigginstown aren't afraid to run more than 2 in the same race, the opposite can be said about Ricci, though again how much of that is Ruby Walsh and how much is the horses that have been at their disposal. Can't ever remember of another season in the past where one trainer and owner has had such a great headache as this! Easier with hindsight last two or three years cos Ruby cant right two at once!

There hasn't been a great deal of support or confidence in vl in the jlt recently which has been worrying me for a week or two too. Hence my post above. Though still a massive price in rsa so my bet should be good

utterly spiffing

I would agree Catch.
Maybe Vautour will have a race over further in the build up.Maybe VL will be in the RSA.Maybe DP will go 4 miles.
Maybe Vautour will be in the Arkle with UDS.
Maybe, maybe ,maybe,maybe.

Imagine if we knew exactly who was running in what. Wouldn't be half as much fun

Only reason that Vautour would run in the JLT is too accommodate UDS who is a one trick pony, this way would give them a chance of two pots.

If however they use a bit of brain and run the horses on merit where they should be then Vautour is nailed on to run in the Arkle where he would be joined by UDS or they choose to miss the festival with that one.

In short, Vautour should be in the Arkle and nothing else.....well, apart from the CH, but that's another story.

No way is UDS missing the festival,that's the clearest message we've had from them re all their plans. I agree Vautour should be in the Arkle mate,and by the sound of it we both think the C hurdle could have been his race.

Yes definitely, and because of the fact that he's already been compromised to make way for Faugheen, it would be a crying shame if he had to be so again to accommodate UDS

If someone had told me .....after watching this horse take lengths out of his field and storming up the cheltenham hill in the supreme, then listen to mullins almost fall down laughing at the slightest mention that Faugheen was even remotely comparable......that he'd be headed for the JLT, I'd have needed resuscitating.

It's a crying shame that any horse should be sacrificed and not run in the race he should be in,but that I'm afraid is where we are with one stable having so many and that stable not wanting to run their horses against each other. We had it last year,will have it this year,and no doubt the future years.

Was laughing at duffy's post btw!

I dont believe for a minute that Vautour was compromised to accomodate Faugheen. If they both ran in the CH imo there would be only one winner and I believe Ruby realised that if not after the Neptune certainly he did after Punchestown.

Absolutely Arkle. He is bread to chase and that what he is doing. I made be old fashioned but fences is the game. The Arkle is the prestige race but if they feel he needs further then so be it. Personally I'd love to see him against UDS but I'm sure Walsh will have his say.

BRED not bread as in a hovist.

so according to mullins there is a 'good possibility' that vautour runs in the 2m3f novice chase on the sunday,

Great.... Perfect prep for the JLT

It's looking more likely Vautour goes for the JLT now, especially if he runs on Sunday in the 2m3f race won by Djakadam last year.

That's dissapointing.  I still see him as an arkle type. UDS must be something special if they are so confident he will beat gilgamboa that vautour goes for a jlt trial.

Ptit Zig, Valseur Lido, Gilgamboa, Apache Stronghold all likely to face each other in the JLT, and now add Vautour to that?

The Arkle looks a much easier race to win!

They were always leaning towards trying to win both races.

Its such a shame cos I was really looking forward to both in the Arkle, but that's the way they operate.