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NC not getting the credit he deserves... pipe opener for Faugheen...pipe opener for NC too...faugheen didn't get beat through lack of fitness, he got beat because when NC picked it up, faugheen for once paid the price for his suspect jumping and lost vital ground that he couldn't make back up.
Faugheen is a great horse through his power and ability to win in spite of those horrible bunny hops he puts in from time to time....he isn't a great horse through his jumping ability....for once yesterday, he finally paid the price for it. |
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Spot on Duffy.
I also think this was the first time in a long time that he has been taken on, rather than allowing Ruby to run the race as he wants, and that has, on this occasion, had an effect. Others will now realise he is beatable and he'll have a much harder time of it this season than last. And, yes, a good call from the Wylies who one presumes said they wanted to know early on whether NC was up to Champion Hurdle standard and to plan a campaign from there. And now they already know he is, though winning one might be a different matter. |
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yep,good points lads.
Why did I listen to Walsh saying about NC staying so well and taking that to mean he will be stepping up in trip. I usually make my own mind up about horses and don't take too much notice of jockeys....really should know better. Oh well,missed the good prices,God luck to those that have nice prices and done what I should have and made their own judgement. NC is obviously a player now and a big threat to Faugheen. I now look forward to seeing how last seasons juveniles Peace and co and Top Notch get on when they reappear. |
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Don't beat yourself up to much as 2 of my mates have been done listening to ruby and also backed him for the world I would have myself but always thought they would give at least a try at 2m grade 1ns before going 3m!like a few other have said like myself mega underrated horse and don't know what else he can do? But he is carrying my cash on his shoulders again just like all of last year and done me many a good turn
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10/1 non runner no bet for world hurdle not a bad investment tonight. If he gets beaten easily tomorrow may change target and be half that price.
If he runs well tomorrow you get money back when he does not turn up. |
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Even if he gets beat it would need to be a heavy gubbing and even at that they could just blame the hard race he had at Xmas! I don't think they will change there mind as the world is looking a deeper race by the week now as years before it looked weak but there are a good few this year with strong solid form so I think they will stay champion for least this year
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Let's hope this we terrior puts it upto the machine and fire today! They all keep saying the machine was back to his best last time beating the new one at Xmas but he hardly franked the form yesterday! I would have expected nichols canyon to beat the new one just as easy so for me it's game on today and in March c'mon the canyon
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I think that finally puts to bed the idea that Nichols Canyon is a Champion Hurdler. Or Identity Thief for that matter.
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World Hurdle or go for a place in the Champion?
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That was like when Olly mcgern tried to take on Denman.
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Thief Still improving.
And no way was that NC true running imo. Hard to see Faugheen not winning again though.......class act. |
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That was easily a career best imo.
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Cheltenham might not be the track for NC anyway.Will do well to place in any race for me.
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Never seen the race just the txed comments on rp app would have much rather he ran a better race obviously but I'm always willing to forgive one below par run! As I said last night I wouldn't be surprised if he under performed after the hard slog at Xmas. One thing is for sure ruby will try his best to talk the owner to going for the world or wait for Aintree as after the vroom vroom Annie debate yesterday who would he ride? I personally hope they still give the champion a go and wait till next year! Now back to my wife's birthday drinks and dinner lol
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just say wow and accept it for the performance that it was
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We all thought Top Notch finished too close to Identity Thief in Newcastle and the fact he ran NC so close should have emphasised that the Morgiana form was all wrong. Well and truly wrong as it transpires.
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Yeh,Wicklow Brave told us that.
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Beaten 28 lengths today on the snaff, cant be a true running and maybe that hard race at christmas left a mark, reckon they are better off saving him for aintree.
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I wouldn't be too worried if your on at big prices ew for ch. Faugheen was always going to win the ch. Outside of faugheen for the places it's wide open and iv seen nothing that's likely to beat NC and arctic fire to the places. relieved ladbrokes of some 12/1 AF ew after the race, complete over reaction to being beaten by a horse that would beat anything in the same way or further. If I wasn't already on nc ew at 20s. I'd be piling into the 14s ew with boyles.
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Looked a spent horse to me. I think that brutal race at xmas may have taken its toll. That - and the way he ran at Prestbury last year would dissuade me from getting involved with NC at the festival. They may save him for Aintree over 2 and a half, but even then...
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Arctic Fire on the other hand is an eachway bet to nothing. Prefer to take a chance that Sempre Medici runs and places at 50's than risk NC at a fraction of the price.
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Trainer just said that delsie,hard race at Xmas.
Was too bad to be true for sure. |
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Thought Arctic Fire was poor today. The race was set up for him but he was firing tattie water at the end.
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Be amazed if the new one does not finish runner up , in fact I think 20s ew is bet of the meeting
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Painter man. I assume your being serious, if so you think raving black would finish top 4 in a champion hurdle?
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Scooby the new one hates the muck it ran on yesterday and only does enough in it to win his races , ii can see it come March get within 4-5 lengths of faugheen and I cannot see any other horse doing this , ntd has had his problems with tno most of the winter and I am being serious 20s ew is a steal but I've been wrong before
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Didn't he get absolutely tonked last year? What was last year's excuse? I forget...
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don't think anyone taking TNO at face value on his run on that heavy going is being serious to be honest, the horse is at his best on good ground in description like he had at Kempton and hopefully in March. I'm not sure about TNO.. AF and Faugheen are part of a generation that proved at least 5 lengths better than the previous one so TNO probably aiming at 3rd spot at best but P&C, NC and IT could be part of a new generation that goes past him and perhaps AF as well.. so very tricky I wouldn't touch this race now just enjoy.
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Mullins 123 in the same order as todays race for me with identity thief and tno not too far behind the places but atleast 10 lengths behind the winner faugheen.
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Rich Ricci 1-2 for me
 AF 3rd and Nichols Canyon 3rd in the Aintree Hurdle! |
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Can't see Sempre medici running. As rich never seems to run 2 in the same race. Been well beaten by NC last season and I think rich put him in there in case of an injury to faugheen. But there's not many races for SM as he's too high in the handicap, so I can see your logic of a nrnb play,
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MTOY as good as anything when you take out Faugheen. Funny how so many people can look at the same race differently. Hopefully if Faugheen goes a good clip upfront it will help MTOY settle better.
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Chief. With a run I'd agree. But id have to reserve judgement until he's on the track because henderson keeps moving his seasonal apearence back and I'm starting to doubt we'll see him at all. Wincanton the latest target mentioned. Likewise peace and co who has an awful lot to prove next time out. The only horse I'd been worried about all season was blue dragon coming over from france. Would have been all over him. And glad that he diddnt get the unlikely entry in regards to my antepost bets on the race.
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I just wonder if the reason why we don't see these horses from Hendo is down to Hendo and nothing more. Like he wont run them if he thinks that they will get an overly exhaustive hard race? Being too careful.
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Yeah, faster pace will help P&C too. I just think if he has retained his ability, MTOY is a better horse than P&C, but that's a big if. Scoob, I want a prep run into him too - there's the Contenders Hurdle but I think P&C has been earmarked for that, or the Morbattle at Kelso that Simonsig and Peddlers Cross won a few years ago.
I think the 25 NRNB is a great ew price for MTOY, as is the 16/1 in the w/o Faugheen market, but from what I can tell, that's not NRNB, so I'll leave that one for a bit. |
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I think 4/1 AF without faugheen with laddies is the only fair bet i can see if I was going to play now. And that is nrnb with them. So not sure what price mtoy is
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They're 12's for MTOY without, Paddies are 16, but it's in the specials bit, and doesn't say NRNB, so I assume it isn't.
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Would have to be a brave man to back a horse that hasnt run for 2 years.
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Think that's reflected in the price though
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