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Cheltenham Festival
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Peace & Co
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Was a completely useless race. No pace and Geraghty spent the whole race trying to get him to settle. Which he did eventually. Shame we learnt nothing
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Good performance. Novicey at a few and still very green but will surely have learnt an awful lot today. In terms of an education, don't think they could have asked for much more. Had to work a little bit harder than it looked like he would at the bottom of the hill, but has beaten a decent yardstick easy enough. Can't see him shortening a great deal based on that though.
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I thought he settled quite quickly considering the pace. I think it was a really good race for his development. Flat out pace will surely suit him better.
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beating karzeak a couple of lengths ties in very closely with other triumph hopefuls for all that he did it cosily
We can't take any distances out of todays race at all. No pace so it's a sprint at the finish. |
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Approaching the final flight you'd be happy, but the run to the line looked more workmanlike than you'd have thought it would....I was expecting him to run right away with relative ease, rather than having to be pushed like he was....I'm now questioning how he'll get home with potential stronger finishers against him...it was an unsatisfactory race but I think there is at least question there.
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I agree Duffy. The hill might not be ideal for him.
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I was expecting him to run right away with relative ease, rather than having to be pushed like he was
Why would you expect that? The race was run so slowly and Karazek is a flat horse so has plenty of speed so he wasn't tired at the end for the sprint. |
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Karezak wasn't sprinting though and in isolation didn't look to be finishing with any great gusto.
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Still 9-4 with Paddies
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Karazek already needs 2m4f so he would not had been suited by the sprint aswell.
P&C very impressive thou. |
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Was good education for him. Geraghty got him to settle after about half way, then he had to tell him when he needs to go for home. We know how much ability he has based on the times he posted at Donny. He'll obviously prefer a strong gallop he'll get in the Triumph.
His current price offers no value though. So if you're not on already you will have to watch him now. |
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don't think it matters what pace they go with this one
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He settled after two furlongs, to say otherwise is massively exaggerating. To quote BJG after the race '' He is far from uncontrollable''. Other horses were pulling and keen to, particularly the horse in 3rd, Zarib. He looks a dreaful price to me. Strong pace arguments are all valid but then you have the question Duffy has put up..will he have the stamina up the hill. Looks very green still to me which is not what you want for the Triumph..
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Yeah rewatched the race there. He was very keen for the first 2f, then he was keen into and away from the next few flights and had to be pulled back again. He then settled well for the remainder of the race, probably helped a bit by an increasing pace. He was green, and the slow pace didn't let us learn much more about him. So to shorten him for the Triumph is ridiculous. Totally Unbackable price
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So will Jacob not get to ride this one at Chelt even though he is the owners jock?
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Very interesting race. Peace settled soon enough but I don't think the pace of the race allowed him to showcase his jumping. His best jumps came at the last two when the pace quickened. It's interesting that the second, third and fourth all had extensive previous race course experience with plenty of flat runs coming into their hurdles season. Bivouac and the Nicholls horse had similar profiles to Peace and were left well behind. He's certainly green and that run will have helped him I think. I also think that he will be seen to better effect on spring ground. Geraghty made the point that the ground was very holding and tiring but he travelled for much of the race like a far superior animal. I think he's answered questions about whether he would act on the track and I'd now say that the 5-2 is about his price having thought it was short enough. He's so very reminiscent to me of Binocular in how he travels and how he jumps. I don't see any reason why he should be shorter and a hard pace with soft ground in The Triumph would be the major concern as he has a lot of basic speed.
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he is not the owners jock
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This point has already been addressed. The stable jockey rides their horses. If he's unavailable Jacob will step in.
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Cheers chaps
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i know what you mean CV about the slowly run race, but how many of these triumph trials have been really strong paces? karezak would have wanted a much faster pace also
its a good guide is all i'm saying yes he deserves to be fav but we've gone into hyperbole with this one |
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Going to be a bit ''contorversial'' here and suggest it might not be a bad idea if they wait for Aintree.
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howcome?
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Well, now that he's proven to handle undulations, what's not proven is his stamina in a strong race so it might be wise to give him time, practice and maturity before going back there. Just a thought. Only 2 hurdle runs, 3 lifetime, pretty undercooked for the Triumph, others horse who did it off one hurdle run had more flat racing exp.
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Well I have to say I was expecting a similar scenario to the Doncaster race,off out the front,bowl along jump nicely at a pace he is comfortable at.
Trainer said they were trying to get him to settle,but it did take a few furlongs for that to happen,and very early on I thought his head would come off!! Wonder what they will do at Cheltenham?? Don't want him using too much energy early on with pulling cos he aint going quick enough. Also wonder what the owners other Juveniles will be aimed at after watching that today. |
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today they were absolutely crawling - they won't be at chelt
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at the festival*!
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Of course mate,i appreciate that,but holding him up or prominent?? which will get the best result?
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Racing handily covered up in behind the front three or four and kicking on after the second last is how I'd like to see him doing it. Doing that he could have flown by the time the grinders get rolling approaching the last.
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In other words pretty much how Binocular won his Champion.
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For me the time he posted when he won at Doncaster on the bridle showed the depths of stamina the horse has. So I'm not really worried about that especially on better ground in March.
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CV, do you think he would have won a lot easier had he gone from the start today?
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While it wasn't scintillating unless his owner runs some of his other horses he still looks the one to beat, though 2/1 is far too short at this stage.
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Henderson had said earlier this week they wanted to drop him in today as he does not want him to try and make all in the Triumph.
They had to have a look and see if he was happy to drop in today to see where they stand. |
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Yeh, I do get that,im now wondering what they will do in March after trying that today.
He certainly weren't happy for a few furlongs today. |
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CV, do you think he would have won a lot easier had he gone from the start today?
Yes I believe he'd have won very well on the bridle. But as Henderson had said on the morning line, if they let him go on here he'd have to make all in the Triumph. They wanted to teach him to settle. He did, but then he didn't know Geraghty meant he should now give maximum effort after the last until he gave him a couple of cracks after the last. He'll have learnt a lot from today, it was a training session all things told. Shame about the pace of the race. |
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I think they will be positive on him. He still seems very green so you wouldn't want to disappoint him if he wanted to get on with things. You would imagine the faster pace in the triumph would be to his advantage.
Ground conditions would be my concerns if I was a backer. |
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There doesn't seem to be any stand out rival which is also to his benefit. I imagine he'll race handy in Triumph and if he carries himself to the front Our Conor style on the steel then he does.
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The second is a fair yardstick and P&C beat him well but not easily. He might well win the Triumph but I don't see him as a good thing based on today.
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At Work this morning so had no idea they were gonna do that,so I was surprised.
Yeh I think they should be fairly prominent,horse seems to me happier that way.Still it should be a good pace whatever, so I don't see a problem for him.....just a case of whether hes good enough to win on the day. Have also been very impressed with the owners other horses, and would love to know the plans for them. |
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horrible race today and not sure how much he learnt, more in regard how the race was run but also not sure he really enjoyed it if i'm honest...he devours the ground though, if it were to be proper good ground i'm still not sure of his chances so for that reason he is a truly sickening price now and he hardly won on the snaff today did he?
anyway we learnt nothing imo and like i say i'm not sure what he learnt apart from the horse being strangled which also meant he wasn't as fluent at his hurdles...he is clearly a very good horse but to many imponderables for me to consider a bet on him and i don't mind backing a short one if i believe the price is right, his isn't i hate to say it but i would sooner see him have another run under the same tactics, so i could be sure how he needs to be ridden, clearly long term it gives them far more options if he can be held onto but i'm not sure him held up on good ground what will happen, especially if he doesn't have another run, if i was on i would want to see him out again anyway the full scale price crash just helps the hype wagon and gives us an in to the race, just not sure where the angles are tbh but if he does go there now without another run i will be keen to get him at low odds, obviously if there is no angle we don't have to play |