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sintonian
10 Nov 14 13:58
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Can someone let me know what PFN has said about him in todays RP Pullout? Cheers.
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Report Quvega November 10, 2014 2:14 PM GMT
'apple of his eye, chaser written all over him, having an absolute nightmare getting the weight off him. Wanted to start him over fences at Exeter last week but was over 3m and wants to start him at 2m4f as he has needed his first run last 2 seasons. May be forced to go for a graded chase at Hennessey meeting'

Brief synopsis of salient points.
Report Quvega November 10, 2014 2:16 PM GMT
Also says hurdle mark of 165 may flatter him but feels that is immaterial.
Report Howdi November 10, 2014 5:53 PM GMT
that is some hurdle mark id heard he was going to start off over hurdles
Report sintonian November 10, 2014 10:13 PM GMT
cheers all
Report sintonian November 22, 2014 10:38 PM GMT
Entered for the Grade 2 Novice Chase at Newbury this week. PFN has won the race several times before but their names escape me atm! Looks very winnable looking at the entries.
Report Can't Catch Me December 10, 2014 11:30 AM GMT
As impressive as any novice seen out this season imo.

The PN comments on this thread suggest they think he could be an RSA horse? Tempted by the 14-1 for the JLT myself.
Report Can't Catch Me December 10, 2014 11:34 AM GMT
A relatively early casualty on his chasing debut in a Newbury Grade Two just a week earlier, he never made a semblance of a mistake under Nick Scholfield, beating a decent field on the bridle.

Profiles Saphir Du Rheu
Having made giant strides over hurdles last year, Nicholls does not envisage three miles being a problem to him.

"I've always held Saphir Du Rheu in the highest regard and was thrilled with the way he travelled and jumped on his way to recording a highly impressive first victory over fences at Exeter on Friday," Nicholls told his official website, www.paulnichollsracing.com.

"That was over two miles, three and a half furlongs and he will have no problem staying three miles."

The highly-regarded five-year-old will have his next run in the Kauto Star Novices' Chase (formerly the Feltham Novices' Chase) at Kempton on Boxing Day.

"The Kauto Star Novices' Chase was always going to be the plan," Nichollas added.

"At Newbury, it all went wrong when he unseated Sam, but he won well at Exeter the other day and he's been fine since.

"The Feltham is the obvious race for him.

"We'll take it one race at a time with him although long term, if things go well over the next 12 months, I'd like to think he can develop into a Gold Cup horse for 2016."
Report gnashersblackpool December 10, 2014 1:52 PM GMT
tipped up by  lydia hislop on sporting life at 14s [ padpoor] for jlt  thou generally an 8s/10s chance.
Report gnashersblackpool December 10, 2014 1:53 PM GMT
The most impressive novice-chasing performance of the past seven days was Saphir Du Rheu’s Exeter saunter. His unseating of Sam Twiston-Davies on chase debut at Newbury last month came rather out of the blue because he’d jumped well until that point.

Here, he made no mistake with a silky round that saw Deputy Dan (regardless of the fact he carried a penalty for his Ascot success) completely unable to live with him.

The winner’s Cheltenham record is blemished by finishing only 20th in the 2013 Fred Winter, but he made a bad mistake at the third that day so I’m inclined to treat it as a throw-out performance.

He heads next for the Kauto Star on Boxing Day at Kempton where he must prove his stamina for three miles. In fact, On the basis of this Plumpton performance and previous runs over hurdles, I’d rather back him for the JLT Chase than at shorter for the RSA. Let’s do that with Paddy Power at 14/1.
Report Can't Catch Me December 10, 2014 2:23 PM GMT
That's put me off Grin
Report Tory December 10, 2014 9:31 PM GMT
From a market making perspective, I want the likes of  Saphir Du Rheu, Whisper, Pont Alexandre, Valsuer Lido and Southfield Theatre etc up towards the top of the market for as long as possible. Means much better odds for the horses which can actually win the RSA
Report tomdeane December 13, 2014 2:46 PM GMT
Why can none of those win the RSA Tory?

Lack of stamina often gets good horses beaten in it but some of those seem to have that as well as class.
Report Tory December 13, 2014 6:04 PM GMT
I use trends a lot for chelt Tom and none more so than the RSA. I'm being harsh by saying they can't win, but as a massive rule I steer well clear of 6yr olds, non irish bred and horses who have had more than one season over hurdles. All of the horses I've mentioned fall down on at least one of those elements. Smad place almost smashed it up last year but for me he would have been the exception which proved the rule
Report sintonian December 14, 2014 10:26 AM GMT
SDR has the size of Denman (Trainers words) and he also won the race with a french bred 5yo (Star De Mohaison) so if he runs in the RSA he'll be running because the trainer fancies him.
Report Ibrahima Sonko December 14, 2014 10:54 AM GMT
when i saw him in the flesh i could not believe how short he was, not in height but in length.
Report Tory December 14, 2014 3:29 PM GMT
Of course Sint, just saying that personally I won't be backing a 6yr old french bred in the RSA. He's a much more attractive proposition from a JLT perspective
Report sintonian December 21, 2014 4:44 PM GMT
I would be expecting him to beat the Feltham field..
Report unclepuncle December 21, 2014 4:59 PM GMT
Apparently might not go to Cheltenham festival this season. From Lydia Hislops column on the Sporting Life webiste:

There was potential bad news for my ante-post portfolio when I interviewed Nicholls for Racing UK at Exeter last Thursday. He asserted that the only two definite targets for Saphir Du Rheu are next week’s Feltham at Kempton and the 2016 Gold Cup. The horse “might even miss Cheltenham” this season.
Report sintonian December 21, 2014 5:15 PM GMT
Understandable given his age.
Report sintonian January 6, 2015 8:29 PM GMT
Quite funny how touchy PFN can be. Before the Feltham he was basically suggesting people who criticised SDR's jumping on debut were overreacting and then the horse falls again.

Where next? There is a Grade 2 3m chase at Haydock soon which PFN has won in the past with horses like Rocky Creek, Black Thunder but it might be wiser to aim for a lesser target.
Report shockster January 10, 2015 1:54 PM GMT
From Paul Nicholls column re Saphir De Reu - "Some people have mentioned that the he may be better off going back over hurdles after his two mishaps over fences, but I reckon that he is a Gold Cup horse of the future, so it is up to me to get his jumping sorted out and him in the top novice races come the end of the season. He looked pretty good when getting it right at Exeter, after all.

But I will add that we are giving some consideration to running him in the Cleeve, though it is no more than that at this stage".
Report ACStafford January 10, 2015 7:16 PM GMT
No point in heading back over hurdles yet. His novice status only has a few months left, so may as well give it another go over fences. If he falls again, maybe then they should give it up. As he said, he looked good at Exeter.
Report CheltenhamRoar January 10, 2015 9:30 PM GMT
Jumped like a crab at kempton.
Report Wicketd January 10, 2015 11:03 PM GMT
falls in next year's hennessy and wins 4 world hurdles on the bounce NAP
Report Howdi January 10, 2015 11:44 PM GMT
Grin
Report CheltenhamRoar January 11, 2015 1:23 AM GMT
Need to put Sam Thomas up in the Hennessy
Report sintonian January 11, 2015 3:01 PM GMT
He takes everything so personally PFN. No doubt he'll get the best out of SDR though!
Report wellchief January 15, 2015 10:29 PM GMT
Slightly surprised over the decision to put him back hurdling so soon. Big Bucks had 7 chase starts before reverting, SDR has had three.

Considering PFN talked so openly about him being a future Gold Cup horse??

Maybe could be more like Tidal Bay than Big Bucks, where he'd run him over both depending on what races were coming up?
Report Can't Catch Me January 15, 2015 10:48 PM GMT
Maybe it's Andy Stewart's decision?!
Report shockster January 16, 2015 11:11 AM GMT
"After chatting with Andy (Stewart), we have decided to put Saphir back over hurdles in the Cleeve, for as much as a confidence-booster after his mishap at Kempton as anything.

I was tempted to keep him over fences but, given the World Hurdle picture looks so open and he is rated 165 over hurdles, it seemed a sensible thing to do to switch back over hurdles.

The result of the Cleeve will tell us where we go next with him, either the World Hurdle or back over fences for the RSA".  Paul Nicholls
Report Ekbalco January 16, 2015 5:55 PM GMT
Brilliant thinking off Nicholls - he wont outstay a back on song MOT up the hill  - but the RSA is a grind of a race and he's not a grinder - Don Poli has RSA written all over him.
Report Tory January 17, 2015 12:11 AM GMT
Don Poli won't win the RSA
Report sintonian January 18, 2015 10:31 AM GMT
My concern now that he is switched hurdling is that will they actually be trying to win or just trying to pick up some place prize money, usually over £8k in the good races, and save him for next season. Couldn't bet him now anyway.
Report Benjy January 18, 2015 2:35 PM GMT
He's second fav for the World Hurdle on here, I don't see any angle where they are not trying to win with him. They will try and win the Cleeve if that doesn't go well may not even run him here.
Report wellchief January 18, 2015 3:05 PM GMT
2nd fav and hasn't had a hurdle race in 11 months, where he finshed 4th?

That race he was

1. Kayf Moss (130) 11-3
2. Meister Eckhart (150) 11-3
3. Chris Pea Green (142) 11-5
4. Saphir Du Rheu (165) 11-7

I'd say his 165 rating is generous.

(Watch him hack up in the Cleeve and some smart @rse brings this thread back up Laugh)
Report buddeliea January 18, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
Wont be me Chief...you have my word mate.
Report Benjy January 18, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
Aye, he's a horrendous price. I was expecting over double when I went and checked.
Report wellchief January 18, 2015 4:08 PM GMT
FWIW, the BHA have him the fourth highest rated hurdler in Britain - think that's a bit flattering.


More of That (IRE)        169
My Tent Or Yours (IRE)            168
The New One (IRE)        167
Saphir du Rheu (FR)        165
Whisper (FR)            164
Holywell (IRE)                163
Purple Bay (IRE)        161
Beat That (IRE)                160
Reve de Sivola (FR)        160
Rock On Ruby (IRE)        160
Zarkandar (IRE)                160
Cole Harden (IRE)        158
Volnay de Thaix (FR)        158
At Fishers Cross (IRE)            157
Irving (GB)            157
Grandouet (FR)                156
Medinas (FR)            156
Zamdy Man (GB)                156
Melodic Rendezvous (GB)           155
Polly Peachum (IRE)        155
Garde La Victoire (FR)            154
Un Temps Pour Tout (IRE)    154
Vaniteux (FR)            154
Aubusson (FR)                153
L'Ami Serge (IRE)        153
Salubrious (IRE)        153
Tea For Two (GB)        153
Bear's Affair (IRE)        152
Blue Fashion (IRE)        152
Cockney Sparrow (GB)            152
Henryville (GB)                152
Get Me Out of Here (IRE)    151
Lac Fontana (FR)        151
Seeyouatmidnight (GB)            151
Silsol (GER)            151
Blue Heron (IRE)        150
Irish Saint (FR)        150
Josses Hill (IRE)        150
Kilcooley (IRE)                150
Meister Eckhart (IRE)        150
Sametegal (FR)                150
Vulcanite (IRE)                 150
Report CVByrne January 18, 2015 4:25 PM GMT
I have tasty price on him for the World Hurdle. Hope Sam rides him so Jacob can ride Zarkandar.

I still fancy Zarkandar most for it.
Report sintonian January 18, 2015 4:33 PM GMT
A shocking price indeed but I guess it has much to do with a dodgy looking favourite and various unknowns in the race.
Report CVByrne January 18, 2015 4:36 PM GMT
Yeah it's a very open race.
Report Ibrahima Sonko January 24, 2015 3:43 PM GMT
that was good
Report sintonian January 24, 2015 3:45 PM GMT
Stays hurdling.
Report jasey January 24, 2015 3:46 PM GMT
Defo.
Not many out scrap Reve.
Report sintonian January 24, 2015 3:49 PM GMT
Intesrting PFN thinks better ground will see him better too. Was getting 6lb from Reve today though? Reve has tried and failed in March several times but seems in the form of his life atm.
Report Ibrahima Sonko January 24, 2015 3:50 PM GMT
RDS jumped a lot better than normal today, grand old horse.
Report CVByrne January 24, 2015 3:54 PM GMT
Can't believe I have this lad to win the World Hurdle at 130.0, took it after he fell on Boxing Day and tweeted about it. It will be some craic if he wins.

But I still don't think he'll beat Zarkandar who dogged it at Ascot when Reve beat him. Saphir won today getting 4lbs from Reve. While Zarkandar will be better on better ground, lost to the Ascot specialist off levels.
Report Ibrahima Sonko January 24, 2015 3:59 PM GMT
Nice work CVB

SDR is entitled to improve a bit so he may end up being favourite.
Report bigben the horseman January 24, 2015 6:19 PM GMT
CVBryne I wouldn't be worried too much about zarkandar. He's had his chance before. Reve De Sivola is some fella btw. Been jumps racing since the age of 3 and still running like that at 10. To me he is jumps racing.
Report CVByrne January 24, 2015 6:24 PM GMT
Zark will win it this year. To me with the right ride he's the best of this lot.

Obviously More of Than is respected but he's not been seen in Months and has had a wind op.

Saphir Du Rheu can improve again from today to be good enough to win it.

Un Temps Por Tout ran very well today for a horse having his first run of the season and he will improve a lot for that too.
Report bigben the horseman January 24, 2015 6:34 PM GMT
not for me. was behind at fishers cross last year but we'll see he is a very good horse and with the right man
Report CVByrne January 24, 2015 6:38 PM GMT
Was held up for too long last year and never put into the race. Not to mention he was raced into the ground over all kinds of trip. One run ever 22 days. He's much better fresh which is why he's only had 2 runs this season. He has to be held onto until after the last.
Report Wicketd January 24, 2015 6:43 PM GMT
i got this chap wrong today, thought he was a terrific lay.

he travelled really well, thought when reve was kicked on that he was about to throw it in, STD kidded him for a brief while

looks like he loved the strong pace.
Report sintonian January 25, 2015 9:32 AM GMT
CV youre saying Zark dogged it at Ascot and the ride was bad..
Report sintonian January 25, 2015 9:36 AM GMT
remember the tweet, £10 on SDR wasn't it? .. big stakes on Zark should be layed off..
Report sintonian January 25, 2015 9:36 AM GMT
SDR has never completed over 3 miles before yesterday, no reason why he cannot improve for that experience.
Report buddeliea January 25, 2015 11:09 AM GMT
Yep, to be honest I think SDR should possibly be fav-certainly on what we have seen this season anyway-,we know he stays well and hes an improver.
Report CVByrne January 25, 2015 12:02 PM GMT
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CV youre saying Zark dogged it at Ascot and the ride was bad..


Ride or the tactics was bad in the World Hurdle, was left with too much to do, was ridden to get the trip.

Sam went to the front too soon at Ascot, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. Can't blame him for that tbh. Zark idled after the last and blinkers stopped him seeing Reve coming back until he comes by, then he picks up again and would have got past Reve in another couple of strides.

Reve is better at Ascot than at Cheltenham, also the race is 1f further. I think if Zark had come with his challenge later, or was wearing a visor not blinkers he'd see Reve coming. I think the ability Zark has over the trip is undeniable. He needs a smart ride and he can win it. He is a faster horse than any of these.

Obviously I'll make much more money if SDR wins. But I believe Zark will win it so am explaining why I think that. Would be easier to talk up SDR tbh
Report Ormonde January 25, 2015 4:19 PM GMT
Not sure whether either of Nicholls horses will win but agree with CV that Zarkandar is more likely. They run Reve De Sivola to virtually the same distance (Saphir Du Rheu less than half a length better) but Zarkandar was at level weights while SDR was getting 4lb.

CV mentions the fact that RDS generally performs better at Ascot and that the Ascot race was over 1f further. I think there is a tendency to see Zarkandar as a short runner given he raced in Champion Hurdles. However, in my view he was not outstayed by RDS at Ascot as after he had sauntered past and then pulled up in front he was clawing the winner back once he went past. In contrast SDR looked all out to get the better of RDS and Sam TD's immediate post race comments were that he felt SDR was at the outer limits of his stamina - to me he looks the shorter runner.

Based on respective performances against RDS, Zarkandar is the classier animal - if there was something else in the Ascot race capable of beating RDS then Zarkandar could have gone with them. I disn't get that feeling from SDR. From that I believe their respective prices for the World Hurdle are the wrong way round.

However, whether you want to back a horse with as many quirks (which he undeniably has) as Zarkandar to win a Championship race is a different matter.
Report Benjy January 25, 2015 4:23 PM GMT
I would also far rather be on Zarkandar than SDR.
Report shockster January 25, 2015 4:59 PM GMT
I'm on Zarkander and the Ascot race made me more confident.
Report BarryM January 26, 2015 7:22 PM GMT
"I think the ability Zark has over the trip is undeniable. He needs a smart ride and he can win it. He is a faster horse than any of these. "

Agree with the first sentence CV but not the second, he certainly isn't faster than Rock On Ruby.
Report BarryM January 26, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
Reve De Sivola looked absolutely fantastic in the paddock on Saturday btw, jumped great too, I think he'll have run right up to his best, and his best is pretty good. I wouldn't rule him out of the WH it came up very soft, but there's not much chance of that obviously.
Report CVByrne January 26, 2015 7:41 PM GMT
True ROR would be faster. But he got caught over 2m5f by a stronger stayer in Neptune. I don't feel he'll stay the 3 miles of the World Hurdle at the pace Reve De Sivola will take them along.
Report SeaTheStars101 January 31, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
I think CV is talking through his pockets already and the race hasn't even run yet!! Zarkandar was in serious condition for the ascot race Nicholls even said so. I know RDS is a course specialist and the ground was ideal but I think we have seen enough of Zarkandar to make a in formed decision that he will be in the mix in the WH but 1 or 2 will get the better of him.

On the other hand SDR was described after the race at chelts as not fully fit and plently of improvement to come from his trainer. In fact on CH4 today his trainer was asked how he was after the race he said "he is still a bit on the fat side and that they are trying to get the weight off for the WH". To out battle a race fit RDS on soft ground coming off the back of a fall over fences is some performance. He has similiar profile to more of that as we don't know how good he actually is. The way Nicholls talks about him I think he has a massive chance.
Report CVByrne February 2, 2015 12:48 PM GMT
Idiots like this clown ^^ are what annoy me about betfair forum. He is saying I'm pocket talking!!! The clueless moron obviously doesn't realise I will make more money on SDR than Zarkandar winning, so how on earth is it pocket talking to talk up the chances of Zarkandar? Laugh
Report alleged22 February 2, 2015 1:14 PM GMT
he,s only backed 20 horses in the race cv Laugh



just having a laugh STS Love
Report ACStafford February 2, 2015 2:16 PM GMT
That's a different STS to the one that backs every horse isn't it?
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 February 2, 2015 2:25 PM GMT
CoolTHAT THERE CAN ONLY BE ONECool
Report Fabulous February 2, 2015 7:23 PM GMT
STS Laugh
Report PeteTheBloke February 3, 2015 8:36 PM GMT
Anyone know anything about this horse? I know Pumpkinhead said he was a World Hurdle horse, but
he holds entries for the JLT and the RSA, doesn't he? In spite of this Betfair have removed him from
both these markets today. He's still in the WH, so I presume he isn't injured or worse.
Report alleged22 February 3, 2015 8:37 PM GMT
where you been since December pete.... Laugh
Report PeteTheBloke February 3, 2015 8:46 PM GMT
When did BF take him out? I laid him for the RSA a lot more recently than December. According to
the RP he's still in the RSA entries.

I know BF take out horses that aren't entered, but they only took SDR out today, as far as I can see.
Report alleged22 February 3, 2015 8:50 PM GMT
good move laying off Happy
Report PeteTheBloke February 3, 2015 8:55 PM GMT
:) It's not like that alleged

Usually, if BF take a horse out like that, it's because he's dead. Obviously, that's not the case
here, but I find it a bit surprising that they've removed a healthy horse from the market when he
still has an entry. If it was Mullins' horse, they wouldn't do it (would they??).
Report alleged22 February 3, 2015 9:06 PM GMT
id have thought its because the only target he has now is the WH pete


I must get into this laying lark....... Mischief
Report PeteTheBloke February 3, 2015 9:16 PM GMT
Grin It's a hard old life, to be honest. Very bl00dy confusing at times, too.
BF seem to think of new ways to mess me up every few months. The latest was putting
UDS back in to the QMCC a few weeks after they took him out... and forgetting to add
the liability back on. I suddenly had a humongous negative balance on Saturday. Not funny.
Report alleged22 February 3, 2015 9:20 PM GMT
I bet Laugh
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