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Saphir De Reu
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A shocking price indeed but I guess it has much to do with a dodgy looking favourite and various unknowns in the race.
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Yeah it's a very open race.
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that was good
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Stays hurdling.
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Defo.
Not many out scrap Reve. |
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Intesrting PFN thinks better ground will see him better too. Was getting 6lb from Reve today though? Reve has tried and failed in March several times but seems in the form of his life atm.
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RDS jumped a lot better than normal today, grand old horse.
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Can't believe I have this lad to win the World Hurdle at 130.0, took it after he fell on Boxing Day and tweeted about it. It will be some craic if he wins.
But I still don't think he'll beat Zarkandar who dogged it at Ascot when Reve beat him. Saphir won today getting 4lbs from Reve. While Zarkandar will be better on better ground, lost to the Ascot specialist off levels. |
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Nice work CVB
SDR is entitled to improve a bit so he may end up being favourite. |
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CVBryne I wouldn't be worried too much about zarkandar. He's had his chance before. Reve De Sivola is some fella btw. Been jumps racing since the age of 3 and still running like that at 10. To me he is jumps racing.
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Zark will win it this year. To me with the right ride he's the best of this lot.
Obviously More of Than is respected but he's not been seen in Months and has had a wind op. Saphir Du Rheu can improve again from today to be good enough to win it. Un Temps Por Tout ran very well today for a horse having his first run of the season and he will improve a lot for that too. |
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not for me. was behind at fishers cross last year but we'll see he is a very good horse and with the right man
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Was held up for too long last year and never put into the race. Not to mention he was raced into the ground over all kinds of trip. One run ever 22 days. He's much better fresh which is why he's only had 2 runs this season. He has to be held onto until after the last.
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i got this chap wrong today, thought he was a terrific lay.
he travelled really well, thought when reve was kicked on that he was about to throw it in, STD kidded him for a brief while looks like he loved the strong pace. |
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CV youre saying Zark dogged it at Ascot and the ride was bad..
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remember the tweet, £10 on SDR wasn't it? .. big stakes on Zark should be layed off..
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SDR has never completed over 3 miles before yesterday, no reason why he cannot improve for that experience.
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Yep, to be honest I think SDR should possibly be fav-certainly on what we have seen this season anyway-,we know he stays well and hes an improver.
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sintonian 25 Jan 15 09:32 Joined: 21 Sep 04 | Topic/replies: 25,671 | Blogger: sintonian's blog
CV youre saying Zark dogged it at Ascot and the ride was bad.. Ride or the tactics was bad in the World Hurdle, was left with too much to do, was ridden to get the trip. Sam went to the front too soon at Ascot, but that's with the benefit of hindsight. Can't blame him for that tbh. Zark idled after the last and blinkers stopped him seeing Reve coming back until he comes by, then he picks up again and would have got past Reve in another couple of strides. Reve is better at Ascot than at Cheltenham, also the race is 1f further. I think if Zark had come with his challenge later, or was wearing a visor not blinkers he'd see Reve coming. I think the ability Zark has over the trip is undeniable. He needs a smart ride and he can win it. He is a faster horse than any of these. Obviously I'll make much more money if SDR wins. But I believe Zark will win it so am explaining why I think that. Would be easier to talk up SDR tbh |
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Not sure whether either of Nicholls horses will win but agree with CV that Zarkandar is more likely. They run Reve De Sivola to virtually the same distance (Saphir Du Rheu less than half a length better) but Zarkandar was at level weights while SDR was getting 4lb.
CV mentions the fact that RDS generally performs better at Ascot and that the Ascot race was over 1f further. I think there is a tendency to see Zarkandar as a short runner given he raced in Champion Hurdles. However, in my view he was not outstayed by RDS at Ascot as after he had sauntered past and then pulled up in front he was clawing the winner back once he went past. In contrast SDR looked all out to get the better of RDS and Sam TD's immediate post race comments were that he felt SDR was at the outer limits of his stamina - to me he looks the shorter runner. Based on respective performances against RDS, Zarkandar is the classier animal - if there was something else in the Ascot race capable of beating RDS then Zarkandar could have gone with them. I disn't get that feeling from SDR. From that I believe their respective prices for the World Hurdle are the wrong way round. However, whether you want to back a horse with as many quirks (which he undeniably has) as Zarkandar to win a Championship race is a different matter. |
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I would also far rather be on Zarkandar than SDR.
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I'm on Zarkander and the Ascot race made me more confident.
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"I think the ability Zark has over the trip is undeniable. He needs a smart ride and he can win it. He is a faster horse than any of these. "
Agree with the first sentence CV but not the second, he certainly isn't faster than Rock On Ruby. |
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Reve De Sivola looked absolutely fantastic in the paddock on Saturday btw, jumped great too, I think he'll have run right up to his best, and his best is pretty good. I wouldn't rule him out of the WH it came up very soft, but there's not much chance of that obviously.
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True ROR would be faster. But he got caught over 2m5f by a stronger stayer in Neptune. I don't feel he'll stay the 3 miles of the World Hurdle at the pace Reve De Sivola will take them along.
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I think CV is talking through his pockets already and the race hasn't even run yet!! Zarkandar was in serious condition for the ascot race Nicholls even said so. I know RDS is a course specialist and the ground was ideal but I think we have seen enough of Zarkandar to make a in formed decision that he will be in the mix in the WH but 1 or 2 will get the better of him.
On the other hand SDR was described after the race at chelts as not fully fit and plently of improvement to come from his trainer. In fact on CH4 today his trainer was asked how he was after the race he said "he is still a bit on the fat side and that they are trying to get the weight off for the WH". To out battle a race fit RDS on soft ground coming off the back of a fall over fences is some performance. He has similiar profile to more of that as we don't know how good he actually is. The way Nicholls talks about him I think he has a massive chance. |
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Idiots like this clown ^^ are what annoy me about betfair forum. He is saying I'm pocket talking!!! The clueless moron obviously doesn't realise I will make more money on SDR than Zarkandar winning, so how on earth is it pocket talking to talk up the chances of Zarkandar?
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he,s only backed 20 horses in the race cv
just having a laugh STS  |
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That's a different STS to the one that backs every horse isn't it?
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 THAT THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE |
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STS
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Anyone know anything about this horse? I know Pumpkinhead said he was a World Hurdle horse, but
he holds entries for the JLT and the RSA, doesn't he? In spite of this Betfair have removed him from both these markets today. He's still in the WH, so I presume he isn't injured or worse. |
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where you been since December pete....
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When did BF take him out? I laid him for the RSA a lot more recently than December. According to
the RP he's still in the RSA entries. I know BF take out horses that aren't entered, but they only took SDR out today, as far as I can see. |
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good move laying off
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:) It's not like that alleged
Usually, if BF take a horse out like that, it's because he's dead. Obviously, that's not the case here, but I find it a bit surprising that they've removed a healthy horse from the market when he still has an entry. If it was Mullins' horse, they wouldn't do it (would they??). |
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id have thought its because the only target he has now is the WH pete
I must get into this laying lark.......  |
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 It's a hard old life, to be honest. Very bl00dy confusing at times, too.BF seem to think of new ways to mess me up every few months. The latest was putting UDS back in to the QMCC a few weeks after they took him out... and forgetting to add the liability back on. I suddenly had a humongous negative balance on Saturday. Not funny. |
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I bet
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