2015 Gold Cup set up to be worst for many years -

"... chri.st Nortons Coin would be fav against some of the pigs on this list."

That's a horrible thing to say.

Also an insult to pigs. Pigs are lovely creatures.

The GC is often low on quality but this one looks no worse than some before the exciting Kauto/Denman era. Infact doesn't look that bad at the moment. Last 2 winners, KG winner, last seasons RSA winner & 2nd just off the top of my head. Horses like Kauto and Denman are the exception rather than the norm.

I will be honest and say I think it looks a good race.  The older guard Bobs Worth, Silviniaco Conti, Cue Card, Sire Des Champs, First Lieutenant, Lord Windermere and Dynaste. The young pretenders Champagne Fever, Holywell, Taquin Du Seuil, Smad Place, O'Faolains Boy etc.

Ok maybe theres no Kauto/Denman quality, but its an intriguing and deep field at this stage if most of them target the race.

not a classic though , is it.

Silviniaco Conti could win the Betfair chase and King George by 20 lengths,Holywell wins the Hennessey,Irish Hennessey and the Lexus. Champagne Fever goes through his season til Cheltenham unbeaten then lo and behold we have a Gold Cup to savour.

good luck with that project, fidway

If Simonsig wins the KG then do you reckon they'd consider the GC? If SS comes back 90% the same horse then he's QM, and the Ryanair just isn't as prestigious

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Silviniaco Conti could win the Betfair chase and King George by 20 lengths,Holywell wins the Hennessey,Irish Hennessey and the Lexus. Champagne Fever goes through his season til Cheltenham unbeaten then lo and behold we have a Gold Cup to savour.

......then something like On His Own wins the Gold Cup or another Synchronised or Lord Windermere, or even The Giant Bolster.

The Gold Cup has had a funny couple of years, and it needs a bit of 'rescuing'.

Fair enough Tory,hopefully comes back the same horse

Well, yes, Howdi, but there are plenty who will prove those marks to be ridiculous in the months ahead. I'm not saying it won't be a poor Gold Cup but to bemoan the quality of field this far in advance is barking.

Ditto. (Every one since 1970). We'll just have to preserve this thread and see how the field looks once the race has been run.
My point is that often you can't even tell the quality of a race as they line up, let alone more than seven months ahead.
The Champion Hurdle, for example, of 2007 looked like being a classic as the two previous champions Hardy Eustace and Brave Inca were taken on by the hugely touted Detroit City, along with three other Grade One winners. As it happened, the first two cut each others throats, the latter never went a yard and all were chinned by the little rated or considered Sublimity, who never posted a comparable performance again. What had looked mouthwatering was generally considered below par and unsatisfactory.
Similarly, last season's Gold Cup looked at the least a very fair renewal until the final fence, from whence it descended into farce.
And, to copper bottom the argument, most people thought Mill House just had to turn up..............
History unravels the quality of performance, not foresight.

** just don't

^^^ I like Bob be interesting to see he hoes lover Fever too but will he settle.

Sorry- Should read ...

The likes of "The Giant Bolster and Ma Filleule...."

a balls hair

Brandyontherocks...

If this, If that, Won this 2 years ago,, If he stays.

What a load of old codswallop.

Stop trying to make excuses, this lot stink.

You are looking at the field for the Cheltenham Foxhunters in 3 years.

Think Holywell shows how bad the novice chasers must have been if that thing is rated 2nd to the mighty Gloria Victis. Handicapper must be having a laff..

Put Denman, King Kauto in this field and they would be 1/5 - I would even bet on Neptune Collonges to beat this lot home.

Bob's Worth - Runs 2 x a year . Dodgepot
Silvinacio Conti - My grandad comes up the hill quicker and he is 88 and in a wheelchair
Cue Card- Injured
Sir Des Champs - Morning Glory
Simonsig- See Cue Card
Holywell - Do me a cheesy Quaver
Champagne Fever - 2016 Winner
O'Faolains Boy - Would back Holywell to beat it in a match...and that's saying something.

i laughed at that although Bob has a few questions to answer after that Gold Cup performance.

I agree with FCH in that it's early days yet to consider the Gold Cup when the staying chase division seems to be in a state of flux. No matter which way you look at the result last March, there was an awful lot of egg on peoples faces. A lot of trainers talked-the-talk, but their horses couldn't walk-the-walk.
You have to ask whether Bobs Worth was truly worthy of an OR180 rating after his 2013 Gold Cup win, when he patently didn't stay up the hill last March.
I never rated Long Run as a OR182 wonder-horse, and the highest rating I ever gave him was 172 when he ran 2nd in the KGV to Kauto Star in Dec2011.
In fact, after Synchronised won the GC the following year I was telling anyone who'd listen (via my blog) that too many trainers had been paying the "cartel" at the top of the staying chase division (Long Run / Imperial Commander / Denman / Kauto Star) a bit too much respect
The Gold Cup will not take a lot of winning next March on what we've seen in the past 12 months, and we may even see a novice chaser come to the fore.