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Shiekh Me Hand
25 Aug 14 05:18
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Just had a cheeky look at the "possibilities" for next year.. oh dear.. what a poor bunch, checked the ante post books and oh my goodness..Holywell is favourite in a couple of books... chri.st Nortons Coin would be fav against some of the pigs on this list.

Can anybody please tell me how a horse that gets beat round Catterick can be fav for the big un!!  blimey!! "Hi George" has not been seen since it beat the Gold Cup fav, must be saving it's mark for a handicap round Cartmel :)

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By:
cufcno1
When: 25 Aug 14 10:19
Was never going to win around catterick over a trip that never suited,was obviously being set up for the handicap at Cheltenham,johnjo will get to improve and the horse loves Cheltenham.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 25 Aug 14 11:58
"... chri.st Nortons Coin would be fav against some of the pigs on this list."

That's a horrible thing to say.

Also an insult to pigs. Pigs are lovely creatures.
By:
cufcno1
When: 25 Aug 14 13:03
Stick to ur Shiite who gives a toss flat racing threads then
By:
Quvega
When: 25 Aug 14 14:04
The GC is often low on quality but this one looks no worse than some before the exciting Kauto/Denman era. Infact doesn't look that bad at the moment. Last 2 winners, KG winner, last seasons RSA winner & 2nd just off the top of my head. Horses like Kauto and Denman are the exception rather than the norm.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 25 Aug 14 17:59
Very good post, Quvega.
By:
andy85
When: 26 Aug 14 23:58
I will be honest and say I think it looks a good race.  The older guard Bobs Worth, Silviniaco Conti, Cue Card, Sire Des Champs, First Lieutenant, Lord Windermere and Dynaste. The young pretenders Champagne Fever, Holywell, Taquin Du Seuil, Smad Place, O'Faolains Boy etc.

Ok maybe theres no Kauto/Denman quality, but its an intriguing and deep field at this stage if most of them target the race.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 27 Aug 14 11:18
Another very good post, from Andy.

I'm getting excited already! Excited Blush
By:
Howdi
When: 27 Aug 14 12:46
not a classic though , is it.
By:
cyclops
When: 27 Aug 14 13:43
How can anyone speculate on the quality of a race seven months hence?
By:
.Fidway.
When: 27 Aug 14 17:21
Silviniaco Conti could win the Betfair chase and King George by 20 lengths,Holywell wins the Hennessey,Irish Hennessey and the Lexus. Champagne Fever goes through his season til Cheltenham unbeaten then lo and behold we have a Gold Cup to savour.
By:
Howdi
When: 27 Aug 14 23:39
cyclops    27 Aug 14 13:43 
How can anyone speculate on the quality of a race seven months hence?

by the lowly handicap ratings of some in the betting, thats how.
By:
Howdi
When: 27 Aug 14 23:40
good luck with that project, fidway
By:
neill d
When: 28 Aug 14 17:29
Can see McManus running More of That as a novice and winning with it.
By:
Tory
When: 28 Aug 14 20:55
If Simonsig wins the KG then do you reckon they'd consider the GC? If SS comes back 90% the same horse then he's QM, and the Ryanair just isn't as prestigious
By:
cufcno1
When: 28 Aug 14 22:41
Looks a bit headstrong to get gold cup trip,agree regarding Ryanair though !
By:
JOCI Club
When: 28 Aug 14 23:04
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Silviniaco Conti could win the Betfair chase and King George by 20 lengths,Holywell wins the Hennessey,Irish Hennessey and the Lexus. Champagne Fever goes through his season til Cheltenham unbeaten then lo and behold we have a Gold Cup to savour.


......then something like On His Own wins the Gold Cup or another Synchronised or Lord Windermere, or even The Giant Bolster.

The Gold Cup has had a funny couple of years, and it needs a bit of 'rescuing'.
By:
Tory
When: 29 Aug 14 11:20
Possibly right cufcno1. Nonetheless, I've had a dabble at 36.8 - if he were to win the KG then he wouldn't be that price and I'll get a free trade out of it
By:
cufcno1
When: 29 Aug 14 14:09
Fair enough Tory,hopefully comes back the same horse
By:
Howdi
When: 29 Aug 14 17:41
Simonsig's dismantling of Hinterland , although a long time ago, reads well. I love him but can't see him staying Gold Cup trip but I think he's worth a dabble in champion chase market, with doubts over Sprinter and I think he could be a better horse than Sire de Grugy.
By:
cyclops
When: 03 Sep 14 10:03
Well, yes, Howdi, but there are plenty who will prove those marks to be ridiculous in the months ahead. I'm not saying it won't be a poor Gold Cup but to bemoan the quality of field this far in advance is barking.
By:
Howdi
When: 03 Sep 14 18:52
not in my opinion and ive seen more gold cups than most.
By:
cyclops
When: 04 Sep 14 10:56
Ditto. (Every one since 1970). We'll just have to preserve this thread and see how the field looks once the race has been run.
My point is that often you can't even tell the quality of a race as they line up, let alone more than seven months ahead.
The Champion Hurdle, for example, of 2007 looked like being a classic as the two previous champions Hardy Eustace and Brave Inca were taken on by the hugely touted Detroit City, along with three other Grade One winners. As it happened, the first two cut each others throats, the latter never went a yard and all were chinned by the little rated or considered Sublimity, who never posted a comparable performance again. What had looked mouthwatering was generally considered below par and unsatisfactory.
Similarly, last season's Gold Cup looked at the least a very fair renewal until the final fence, from whence it descended into farce.
And, to copper bottom the argument, most people thought Mill House just had to turn up..............
History unravels the quality of performance, not foresight.
By:
Howdi
When: 04 Sep 14 20:39
^^^ just like been told i'm barking, when I have a decent grounding on the subject.
By:
Howdi
When: 04 Sep 14 20:39
** just don't
By:
bonnie
When: 06 Sep 14 11:35
boston bob or champagne fever for me - bob got his act together at the end of last season and fever could be the staying superstar that the gold cup needs.

lokking forward to next march !!!
By:
Howdi
When: 06 Sep 14 12:36
^^^ I like Bob be interesting to see he hoes lover Fever too but will he settle.
By:
Shiekh Me Hand
When: 07 Sep 14 05:09
Thanks to all for contributing to the piece.

Still stick to my guns and believe that this years renewal is going to be very anti-climatic.

At time of writing- we have co-favs of 3 at around 9/1 - Bobs Worth - Silvinacio Conti and Holywell - God help us.

The Giant Bolster and Ma Filleule are currently available on the books at around 25/33's - I rest my case.

Cyclops - not too sure what you are chatting about pal to be honest with regards to the 2007 Champion Hurdle... I'm saying this Gold Cup looks bobbins and will be bobbins.

If I was an owner and I had a half decent novice come the New Year, I would be aiming at the big pot over the RSA more than in any other year.
By:
Shiekh Me Hand
When: 07 Sep 14 05:10
Sorry- Should read ...

The likes of "The Giant Bolster and Ma Filleule...."
By:
brandyontherocks
When: 08 Sep 14 21:31
Bobs Worth.         Winner 2 years ago. Brilliant course/festival record.
Silviniaco Conti.   King George winner.3x Grade 1 winner.
Cue Card.           If back to his best before injury the 2nd best NH in training.
Sir Des Champs.     2nd in Gold Cup. Festival winner. 3x Grade 1 winner.
Simonsig.           If he stays has to have a huge chance.
Holywell.           Highest rated novice chaser since Gloria Victis in 2000.
Champagne Fever.    2 time Festival winner. Beaten a balls hair in the Arkle.
OFaolains Boy.      Last seasons Sun Alliance winner.

IF they all turn up will it be the greatest Gold Cup? NO
Will it be the worst for years? No

If you think its the worst in years, then surely last years winner, Lord Windermere, at 16-1 has to be a stonking bet!!!!!
By:
Howdi
When: 09 Sep 14 12:09
a balls hair Grin
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 09 Sep 14 20:19
The Giant Bolster Love

I'm hoping Cue Card can get back to where he was last year.

Wish Joe was still riding him. No offence meant to Daryl Jacob.
By:
Shiekh Me Hand
When: 11 Sep 14 15:04
Brandyontherocks...

If this, If that, Won this 2 years ago,, If he stays.

What a load of old codswallop.

Stop trying to make excuses, this lot stink.

You are looking at the field for the Cheltenham Foxhunters in 3 years.

Think Holywell shows how bad the novice chasers must have been if that thing is rated 2nd to the mighty Gloria Victis. Handicapper must be having a laff..

Put Denman, King Kauto in this field and they would be 1/5 - I would even bet on Neptune Collonges to beat this lot home.

Bob's Worth - Runs 2 x a year . Dodgepot
Silvinacio Conti - My grandad comes up the hill quicker and he is 88 and in a wheelchair
Cue Card- Injured
Sir Des Champs - Morning Glory
Simonsig- See Cue Card
Holywell - Do me a cheesy Quaver
Champagne Fever - 2016 Winner
O'Faolains Boy - Would back Holywell to beat it in a match...and that's saying something.
By:
Makybe_Diva
When: 11 Sep 14 21:21
"Silvinacio Conti - My grandad comes up the hill quicker and he is 88 and in a wheelchair"

Shocked
By:
Howdi
When: 12 Sep 14 01:32
Laugh
By:
cufcno1
When: 13 Sep 14 06:48
Bob's worth a dodgepot ?
By:
Howdi
When: 13 Sep 14 22:35
i laughed at that although Bob has a few questions to answer after that Gold Cup performance.
By:
FCH
When: 22 Sep 14 23:12
I've been there for every Gold Cup since Silver Buck in 1982.  Its far too early to tell what the quality of the 2015 race will be like.

Remember that we have been spoilt in recent times with Kauto Star, Denman, and good one-off (in the Gold Cup) performances by Imperial Commander, Long Run and Bobs Worth.

I would be surprised if the rating of the 2015 winning performance is as low as 2012 (Synchronised) or 2014 (Lord WIndermere) which were imo the poorest renewals since Cool Dawn in 1998.
By:
Wayward Lad
When: 29 Sep 14 17:43
I agree with FCH in that it's early days yet to consider the Gold Cup when the staying chase division seems to be in a state of flux. No matter which way you look at the result last March, there was an awful lot of egg on peoples faces. A lot of trainers talked-the-talk, but their horses couldn't walk-the-walk.
You have to ask whether Bobs Worth was truly worthy of an OR180 rating after his 2013 Gold Cup win, when he patently didn't stay up the hill last March.
I never rated Long Run as a OR182 wonder-horse, and the highest rating I ever gave him was 172 when he ran 2nd in the KGV to Kauto Star in Dec2011.
In fact, after Synchronised won the GC the following year I was telling anyone who'd listen (via my blog) that too many trainers had been paying the "cartel" at the top of the staying chase division (Long Run / Imperial Commander / Denman / Kauto Star) a bit too much respect
The Gold Cup will not take a lot of winning next March on what we've seen in the past 12 months, and we may even see a novice chaser come to the fore.
By:
Shiekh Me Hand
When: 10 Oct 14 21:24
First off the "Young Pretenders" list ran today... Taquin Du Soleil ... Can we even say that he "ran" today?

I don't know about you but I just checked Bet3.6.5. and TDS is currently 14/1 joint 4th favourite for the Blue Riband of the NH game.

The way he ran today got my juices flowing for March (and before you start, I did note that he has won his first start for the previous 2 seasons)

Surprised
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