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Gigginstown stud never pay 290,000 euros for a horse,come march this horse will be favourite for the Neptune,won its bumper with the minimum of fuss,beautiful looking horse,get on 14s with 365,this is gonna be the next faugheen
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Report Wicketd February 3, 2015 9:35 PM GMT
i think CV has organised a seance with timtim to speak to einstein to get a clearer picture of the champion hurdle Laugh
Report Can't Catch Me February 3, 2015 9:39 PM GMT
Good Will Hunting popped in, but couldn't keep up.
Report CVByrne February 3, 2015 9:42 PM GMT
It's not very complicated stuff tbf lads Mischief Funny thing is I've pretty much zero financial interest in this years Champion Hurdle. Just backed Fly e/w and will cheer him on, hope he grabs a place at least so he can get cheered into winners enclosure. Grin
Report Wicketd February 3, 2015 9:44 PM GMT
its all just jokes anyway Love

i cannot wait for the CH looking forward to it more than anything else
Report CVByrne February 3, 2015 9:49 PM GMT
If Hurricane Fly wasn't in the Champion I'd have zero interest in it. Nothing about the remaining 3 interest me. Faugheen over fences would be very interesting, just his price all season for Champion has been below what I'd be interested in taking.
Report Rampage Jackson February 3, 2015 10:39 PM GMT
Taken from first post on the champion hurdle thread -

Aside from those 7 mentioned the division lacks much depth to my eyes. Right now you can go back Vaniteaux 33/1, Irivng 33/1, Tiger Roll 25/1 all e/w and come out with a profit if any one of them even places. I think they do offer some great value and have backed all the on the nose. With a view to adding Jezki post soft ground slow run race defeats in Ireland.

And now you post this
It's not very complicated stuff tbf lads  Funny thing is I've pretty much zero financial interest in this years Champion Hurdle. Just backed Fly e/w and will cheer him on, hope he grabs a place at least so he can get cheered into winners enclosure.

So which one is it CVByrne?
Report CVByrne February 3, 2015 10:46 PM GMT
I've Irving, Vaniteux and Tiger Roll all backed. All bets are written off as Vaniteux won't be running according to Henderson, I think Tiger Roll will surely go for a handicap surely. But maybe slim chance of Irving squeaking into the frame, but that's more hopeful than anything. So they're lost antepost bets. My only real financial interest remaining is Hurricane Fly e/w.
Report harry callaghan February 3, 2015 10:47 PM GMT
comedy gold
Report McK30wn February 3, 2015 10:49 PM GMT
Lol need a filing cabinet soon CV by the amount of horses you've bet in each race!
Report CVByrne February 3, 2015 10:54 PM GMT
I've a spreadsheet actually. Much better than a filing cabinet. I have a column which contains lost antepost bets, then I put all my live bets under a heading for each race. Supreme, Arkle etc.. I build books for each one, 2 in the Arkle, 2 in the Supreme, 3 in NH Chase etc..
Report CVByrne February 3, 2015 10:56 PM GMT
This years Champion Hurdle is £80 in lost bets, £31 e/w on Fly and £15 win. Compare that to the last 4 years and it's dwarfed. I've more money on UDS, Vautour or Peace and Co than I've got in the Champion Hurdle. Race just not one for a big bet this year.
Report SoYouThink February 3, 2015 10:57 PM GMT
Tiger Roll would be interesting back on good ground at Cheltenham. Not saying he'd win but a performance above the level of what he's shown in his last few runs would not be out of the question.

I feel the race is being billed around 3 horses - 4 if you consider Hurricane Fly a contender - and it underestimates everything else.

Plenty of e/w opportunity outside the big 3/4.
Report cufcno1 February 3, 2015 11:01 PM GMT
It doesn't underestimate anything,I've said all season faugheen the new one and jezki will finish in the 1st 3,hurricane if it was heavy an Ew chance,the rest have no ****kin chance !
Report CVByrne February 3, 2015 11:03 PM GMT
Rampage, you seem to only troll me on this forum. Can I ask why you ran away from replying to my post in the Champion Hurdle thread? I'll copy it in below in case you have trouble finding it.

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Rampage Jackson 02 Feb 15 22:52 Joined: 10 Nov 05 | Topic/replies: 147 | Blogger: Rampage Jackson's blog
Only Harry can get a horse fit enough to win the Champion Hurdle without a prep  #legend

After timing at its best, you were in tears ripping up your hurricane fly slips at the time!!!


Yay more morons come along to have a comment. How on planet earth is that an after time? Did I say I had backed Rock on Ruby? Or am I calling Harry a Legend because I know him, am part of a racing club which have 4 horses in training with him. Am going to buy another horse with him and am going down to Seabrough next week?

Now run along you idiot.

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Your only 2 posts in the year, trolling me. Grin Got any actual opinions of your own ??
Report CVByrne February 3, 2015 11:05 PM GMT
SYT I'll reply back in the Champion Hurdle thread, re Tiger Roll. I seem to have taken this thread off topic.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 February 3, 2015 11:07 PM GMT
Rampage Jackson 03 Feb 15 22:39 Joined: 10 Nov 05 | Topic/replies: 148 | Blogger: Rampage Jackson's blog
Taken from first post on the champion hurdle thread -

Aside from those 7 mentioned the division lacks much depth to my eyes. Right now you can go back Vaniteaux 33/1, Irivng 33/1, Tiger Roll 25/1 all e/w and come out with a profit if any one of them even places. I think they do offer some great value and have backed all the on the nose. With a view to adding Jezki post soft ground slow run race defeats in Ireland.

And now you post this
It's not very complicated stuff tbf lads  Funny thing is I've pretty much zero financial interest in this years Champion Hurdle. Just backed Fly e/w and will cheer him on, hope he grabs a place at least so he can get cheered into winners enclosure.

So which one is it CVByrne?


Jeez even I worked that one out!! That all he had left out of those 3 bets was a very slim chance irving could place and further down the thread he mentions to have backed the fly! Crazy

Your right CV, proper TROLL Mischief
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 February 3, 2015 11:08 PM GMT
And not even posted in the correct thread ffs Laugh
Report CVByrne February 3, 2015 11:12 PM GMT
I've plenty of lost antepost bets. More lost on Champagne Fever for Gold Cup than on all of the speculative bets in Champion Hurdle. Then we've Allez, Un Atout, Morning Run also is a gonner much to my annoyance. But if UDS wins the Arkle the antepost value I got on him wipes out all my losses. That's the name of the game when playing antepost.
Report Rampage Jackson February 3, 2015 11:13 PM GMT
not trolling but i have noticed a lot of what you type conveniently contradicts previous statements when it suits you.
Report CVByrne February 3, 2015 11:21 PM GMT
I said I've pretty much Zero financial interest in this years Champion Hurdle. My 3 lost antepost bets are there in the large opinion piece I wrote about the Champion Hurdle. My financial interest in the race is now only Hurricane Fly. Yet you swoop in to troll me.

While in the other thread you call me an after timer in relation to Harry Fry, and Rock on Ruby. I praise the man who is trainer of our horses and will be for years to come, yet you cawl out of the woodwork to say I'm aftertiming backing bloody Rock on Ruby for the 2012 Champion Hurdle!!!!

You have posted nothing else on the forum other than those two posts this year. You are a complete troll.
Report gutfeeling February 8, 2015 1:23 PM GMT
Do hope someone listened to me on the 29th of January.
Report Paterson92 February 8, 2015 1:25 PM GMT
Can't be bothered scrolling through, what have I missed gutfeeling?
Report buddeliea February 8, 2015 1:27 PM GMT
Wish I had!!
Cry
Report CR7 February 8, 2015 3:20 PM GMT

Jan 29, 2015 -- 7:46AM, gutfeeling wrote:


Petite Parisienne is the one they like currently, Not saying they dislike Kalkir but PP is expected to show its real worth nto where they may cross swords.


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Report sintonian February 8, 2015 3:41 PM GMT
CV, you're saying if UDS wins the Arkle it will mean losses returned from all ante-post bets, or just in relation to the bets on the Champion Hurdle?
Report deepingfox February 8, 2015 5:07 PM GMT
Well done Gutt, the filly looks quality, and with 7lb allowance, I still tink Corals 12/1 for the Triumph for Petite Parisienne, looks attractive.
Report CVByrne February 9, 2015 8:28 PM GMT
I bet on UDS @ 7/1, & 9/2 Sint, £50 & £100. I've almost £600 of lost / written off antepost bets so far. So that's £800 profit if UDS wins and I'd only get £90 profit if I put the £150 on at the current 4/6, so the antepost value on one horse can cover lost antepost bets on others. That was my point
Report CVByrne February 9, 2015 8:28 PM GMT
wd Gutfeeling, I remember you pointing out PP when they were talking her up big time on the Final Furlong Podcast on Thursday.
Report gutfeeling February 10, 2015 11:28 AM GMT
Yeah I heard it there, You got me bang to rights.
Report bluebirdfan February 11, 2015 1:34 PM GMT
Going back on track.....any vibes in Ireland as to which path they will take with Tell Us More?
Report delsie777 February 11, 2015 3:44 PM GMT
I think they're still trying to work out what went wrong the last day. Watch Paddy prices for indications as to where he's likely to go. Personally I reckon it's the Neptune or wait til Punchestown. I gather he's fit and well if that's a help.
Report Can't Catch Me February 11, 2015 3:47 PM GMT
Looked at Paddy's prices this morning. Noticeably longest on him for the Neptune and shortest for the Supreme.
Report bluebirdfan February 11, 2015 9:45 PM GMT
Can't see what else Giggy would run in the Supreme so seems most likely if they come over
Report CVByrne February 11, 2015 9:49 PM GMT
You'd imagine Mullins would want him to run in Supreme as he has 3 already for the Neptune.

Eddie O'Leary said Neptune was the race for him a few weeks back so you'd imagine as Giggenstown decide where their horses go he could well run in Neptune.

Once the defeat came lto the original plan of Neptune was put into question
Report bluebirdfan February 12, 2015 3:12 PM GMT
Cheers CV, you are the man I trust when it comes to looking at the Mullins horses
Report SoYouThink February 17, 2015 9:52 PM GMT
This horse is going to the Supreme ..... PP shortest for the Supreme .... biggest for the Neptune
Report Can't Catch Me February 17, 2015 10:06 PM GMT
I've backed him for the Neptune, Nichols Canyon for the Supreme and  Alvisio Ville for the Supreme.

F*cking disaster Sad
Report CVByrne February 17, 2015 10:36 PM GMT
Giggenstown have always said they want a runner in each race, aside from Tell Us More I don't see who could run in Supreme that wouldn't be a big outsider. He'd have been a cert to run in the Neptune had he won the last day, but to be beaten by McKinley is very poor form.
Report Tory February 17, 2015 10:44 PM GMT
I've had two bets in the supreme and two in the neptune:

Supreme
Allez Colombieres @ 10/1 and 16/1
Alvisio Ville @ 25/1

Neptune
Tell Us More @ 20/1
Shaneshill @ 10/1

Gone a treat this year!!
Report CVByrne February 17, 2015 10:49 PM GMT
Problem is Mullins has so many good Ricci, Wylie & Giggenstown horses. He has to keep them apart for their owners and he also wants to try keep his best chances apart to maximise his own winners. It's been an interesting and tough year to try place his string. One defeat relegates one from preference of a race.

I wonder if something has been up with TUM and Shaneshill though, not been sighted is ages and they were both defeated on their last starts.
Report SoYouThink February 17, 2015 10:51 PM GMT
Shaneshill running in the Supreme too. Nichols Canyon in the Neptune. Although we kind of knew that after the comments from the Deloitte.

Tell Us More could be forgiven the one bad run. He ran quite well for most of the race but just didn't quicken at all. As you said yourself CV in other threads, there could have been something amiss with him that day and we never heard.
Report CVByrne February 17, 2015 10:55 PM GMT
Forgive him a bad run aye. But he's of no interest over 2 miles in the Supreme for me. He's a Neptune horse or he'll produce an Un Atout Supreme performance. Supreme is the race for Shaneshill (if he turns up) as Wylie has ones for the other two races.

But going on a bit of hope for both in the festival. I'll be mighty happy if either win but I fully expect both to be defeated.
Report Tory February 17, 2015 11:11 PM GMT
Don't know if you've seen the Mullins interview on the ATR site.

Says regarding TUM that the school of thought was to drop him back in trip after his defeat but he felt he had different reasons for they defeat.

Then goes onto say that he's probably headed for the Neptune. Doesn't commit but that was his line of thinking.

Coupled with the O'Leary interview a few weeks ago, what's happened in the past week for TUM to now be headed to the supreme? No horses have won etc
Report delsie777 February 17, 2015 11:44 PM GMT
I think TUM will end up in the Neptune - just a hunch
Report wellchief February 18, 2015 8:19 AM GMT
Yeah, Paddy has generally been correct this year, but they are only a point or two shorter for TUM supreme. Nothing that stands out anyeay.

Plenty more twists to come I reckon.
Report bluebirdfan February 18, 2015 4:10 PM GMT
Still Neptune bound if he "starts to show more at home this week" Doesn't sound too positive
Report SoYouThink February 18, 2015 6:40 PM GMT
I doubt Gigginstown will run 3 or 4 in the Neptune and none in the Supreme. I'd still say Supreme despite Mullins comments say he prefers the Neptune.
Report CVByrne February 18, 2015 6:44 PM GMT
I think what was said about TUM and Outlander is if both lined up in Neptune Cooper would ride TUM. Think his housemate said that on final furlong pod.

Just feel no run for TUM after his setback or poor running lto is big negative. As is Shaneshill not been sighted since Dec
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 February 18, 2015 6:45 PM GMT
Think gigg will run 2 in one 2 in other. Which ones anyone's guess. But thinking about that, looking at previous years, they don't actually run that many in the championship novice races, not as many as people might think anyway and certainly not anywhere near as many as they do in preps or at home in domestic grade ones
Report SoYouThink February 18, 2015 6:53 PM GMT
They have bought a lot of dirt over the years too SeaTheStars !! This is by far the strongest team of horses they've ever had.

Also horses in training with the likes of Fenton, Rothwell and Swan and horses in training with Mullins and Meade .... you don't need to be following racing too long to know which would have the better Cheltenham prospects.
Report Tory February 18, 2015 7:10 PM GMT
That was about the Deloitte CV. It was between TUM and Identity Thief and Robbie McNamara said Cooper had already decided to ride TUM if he was declared
Report wellchief February 18, 2015 7:16 PM GMT
I don't think another horse that has only ever won one maiden hurdle, and is 14/1 and 25/1 for his festival targets, who has had more discussion on on a forum than Tell us More.

At least Minsk had won an Irish Cesarewitch FFS Laugh
Report buddeliea February 18, 2015 7:22 PM GMT
Laugh
Report CVByrne February 18, 2015 11:33 PM GMT
Ta Tory, knew it was about TUM and another horse. Identity thief was the other, not Outlander. I stand corrected.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 February 24, 2015 2:21 PM GMT
Any recent news on this one? Korals are a stand out 25/1 for the supreme and although i am mighty tempted i can't help but think i be throwing away my £20 and might as well give it to the next homeless man i see begging for change in the street for his next bottle of cheap cider Devil
Report delsie777 February 24, 2015 2:30 PM GMT
Last I heard they were waiting for him to spark in his work and that - if he did - the Neptune would be his race. The fact that the markets are all over the place suggest to me that he hasn't 'sparked'
Report TheCollector February 24, 2015 3:15 PM GMT
Can't see this running to be honest and if he does he certainly ain't winning, and I say that with a 20-1 voucher from ages ago in the sky rocket
Report ZEALOT February 24, 2015 4:39 PM GMT
MULLINS AND HIS MULTIPLE  ENTRIES coupled with the 4 days has done something to this show Cry
Report bluebirdfan February 25, 2015 2:26 PM GMT
Won't be coming over, my guess is they'll keep him for Punchestown
Report delsie777 February 25, 2015 3:08 PM GMT
is that confirmed by the stable bbf - or just your guess?
Report Paterson92 February 28, 2015 6:18 PM GMT
Bryan Cooper confirmed at a Preview Night he rides Outlander in the Neptune. Find it unlikely TUM will be seen at Cheltenham this year, having said that a bit of money came for the Neptune today.
Report SoYouThink February 28, 2015 7:25 PM GMT
Cooper said at Waterford on Thursday Tell Us More would go for the Supreme
Report Denman The Destroyer February 28, 2015 7:33 PM GMT
I don't think anyone has got a clue who runs where, keep getting different opinions from those involved so I guess it's just wait and see.
Report SoYouThink February 28, 2015 7:46 PM GMT
Tell Us More will run in the Supreme if he runs at all as Gigginstown have nothing else for it. They have a few for the Neptune. I watched back Tell Us More's Naas race and his hurdling was terrific. He didn't get up the hill at Naas which probably isn't a good omen for Cheltenham. The Scorpion thing is getting mentioned too but the shorter trip would be in his favour based on I what I saw in the Naas race. I could see him jumping and travelling very well and fading in the straight.
Report Tory February 28, 2015 9:50 PM GMT
People on Twitter today saying that mullins has talked about him in the irish field today and all but confirmed him for the neptune. Haven't read the article so no idea how correct
Report SoYouThink February 28, 2015 9:56 PM GMT
I was at the Cheltenham preview night Cooper was on and he only mentioned him in the context of the Supreme. Would seem a bad move to me to run him in the Neptune when a) Gigginstown have others for the race and b) at Naas, he looked like a step back in trip might suit him
Report Can't Catch Me February 28, 2015 9:58 PM GMT
I don't think the trip was the issue at Naas. The horse blew up IMO and ran under par like a few of Willie's did at that time.
Report Tory February 28, 2015 10:00 PM GMT
Very much agree with CCM. Neptune looks tailor made to me
Report marychain1 February 28, 2015 10:00 PM GMT
I heard it's definitely the Albert Bartlett. My source is a mouse in Tell Us More's box who heard it from the horse's mouth. The actual horse.
Report SoYouThink February 28, 2015 10:02 PM GMT
The comment from the Irish Field:

TELL US MORE

5yo b g (11-12)

Scorpion - Zara’s Victory

Gigginstown House Stud

He has done a few nice bits of work since last week and I would say that he is a Neptune horse. Pedigree-wise he could go for the Albert Bartlett, but he has enough speed for the Supreme. He is good and he hasn’t done anything to suggest that he won’t be travelling.
Report Tory February 28, 2015 10:05 PM GMT
Thanks. That's pretty much exactly the same comment on the ATR site.
Report Can't Catch Me February 28, 2015 10:07 PM GMT
Everyone in Ireland appears to want to avoid Douvan so it wouldn't surprise me to see Gigginstown run a few in an an open looking Neptune.

Surprised Cooper has committed to Outlander so early, all the same.
Report deepingfox February 28, 2015 10:13 PM GMT
Report in Irish Field from WM states;-

"He has done a few nice bits of work since last week and I would say that he is a Neptune horse. He is good and he hasn’t done anything to suggest that he won’t be travelling"

Sounds like bets are still on.
Report SoYouThink February 28, 2015 10:32 PM GMT
Gigginstown will want to keep their runners apart ..... I doubt they will want 3 runners in the Neptune and none in the Supreme. Also the fact Cooper is saying Supreme is going to surely have some influence .... Don Poli / Valseur Lido are going the route Cooper said they would at the start of the season and not the one Mullins wanted.
Report deepingfox February 28, 2015 10:39 PM GMT
Just sellotaped Neptune slips back together, now I need to tear them up again - aaarghhh
Report Denman The Destroyer February 28, 2015 10:43 PM GMT
To be fair to mullins, every time he has been asked about this horse he has always said Neptune.
Report SoYouThink February 28, 2015 10:52 PM GMT
I've no idea where he'll run to be honest ... I'm reading between the lines but for an operation like Gigginstown it would make sense to split up the runners. Also the same with Alvisio Ville ... I cannot believe JP / AP would like to see him line up for Supreme alongside Jollyallan when they have absolutely nothing else for the Neptune / AB.
Report bluebirdfan March 1, 2015 7:08 AM GMT
I still don't think he will come over
Report buddeliea March 1, 2015 7:33 AM GMT
SYT, think they are concerned with AV settling and the speed of the supreme will give him more chance of doing that.
makes sense to me.I have him nrnb for both races, so on that score I aint bothered, but I think I would prefer him in the supreme,think he has a better chance in that race.
Report buddeliea March 1, 2015 7:34 AM GMT
Wish I knew who would ride him though.
Report Denman The Destroyer March 2, 2015 12:05 PM GMT
Bryan Cooper "Outlander and Tell Us More are also great rides to have, but there is no final plan with them yet. The Neptune looks the obvious race for Outlander."
Report bobmidd March 3, 2015 10:44 AM GMT
From London preview night

Onto the Neptune. Rich and Sam have nowt in it. Rich reckons Tell Us More runs in it. Nichols Canyon wouldn't be his choice
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 March 6, 2015 6:19 PM GMT
Looks like it is Supreme or bust with this one now judging by the markets, just been laid out to 95 on here in neptune Sad

God i wish i had availed myself to some of the 25s korals were last week now Cry
Report delsie777 March 6, 2015 6:46 PM GMT
Social runner - if it was right it would be in the Neptune. Been watching Douvan's backside disappear into the distance for weeks.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 March 6, 2015 7:17 PM GMT
Its alright got a little on just now at 20s, worked out me book on supreme and just squeezed him in. Full up on that event now it seems. No more bets to be gad between now and about Weds morning when books offer enhancements on main protagonists in the big races. Not bothered about Tues, already on them at nice prices.
Report SoYouThink March 6, 2015 10:40 PM GMT
He'll be cruising this horse right up until the bottom of the hill. Looks at his Naas run - he has an engine and he's electric away from his hurdles. He didn't find much off the bridle that day and much is made of his sire's record. Still though looks a good back to lay to me.

As well people put a lot of emphasis into what happens on Mullins gallops....how many times has a fancied one lost to a stablemate this season. Nichols Canyon beat Allez Colomberies (not a great example I know), McKinley beat Tell Us More, Nichols Canyon beat Alvisio Ville, Twinlight beat Ballycasey, Outlander beat Killutagh Vic, there's probably more.

They know as much as the rest of us ... and it would be no surprise to see Tell Us More to finish ahead of his 3 stablemates, DOuvan, Shaneshill or Alvisio Ville (who if I was JP McManus would be running in the Neptune)
Report Tucho March 6, 2015 11:42 PM GMT
As well people put a lot of emphasis into what happens on Mullins gallops....how many times has a fancied one lost to a stablemate this season.

The pre season Mullins hype this season has not worked out at all. They'd all been usurped for one reason or another. Tell Us More didn't go to plan for us, Shaneshill was the other early season Neptune fancy, he had Kalkir in the Triumph, Allez Colombieres was going to be the Supreme horse and Douvan was an afterthought.

You'd have some genius foresight to pick out Douvan, Nichols Canyon and Black Hercules as the big 3 Mullins favourites for the novice hurdles.

Also part of me is now wondering if Hercules is only favourite because we haven't seen him in ages. His early season reputation is in tact because he's never had a race. Shocked
Report buddeliea March 7, 2015 7:01 AM GMT
Bumper form aint really worked out that well either.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 March 7, 2015 12:59 PM GMT
Mullins, no better than 1-4 favourite to be top trainer at the festival, also confirmed that he will be represented in the Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle by Douvan, Alvisio Ville and Tell Us More.



No word about ShaneshillConfused Scared
Report SoYouThink March 7, 2015 1:01 PM GMT
Was just going to post the exact same thing STS ... looks steady enough on here so presume t's just a mistake that he was left out that list.
Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 March 7, 2015 1:22 PM GMT
You were saying SYTConfused
Report Mister Westsound March 7, 2015 2:36 PM GMT

Mar 7, 2015 -- 7:22AM, SEATHESTARS....NO1 wrote:


You were saying SYT


Shaneshill is mentioned as a runner in the Supreme in the online article along with the other 3 you mentioned.

Report SEATHESTARS....NO1 March 7, 2015 2:57 PM GMT
I see that article has been updated with Shaneshill now mentioned. Above was a copy/paste from this morning of same article you are on about Mister Westsound


AND BREATH Whoops
Report Unforgettable Fire March 8, 2015 10:16 AM GMT
SEATHESTARS

You say Tell Us More will be cruising close to the front at the bottom of the hill and so would be a good back to lay. Tend to agree. What price should I be thinking of laying him (not much experience of back to lay) please?
Report Can't Catch Me January 21, 2016 4:38 PM GMT
He's certainly got an engine Plain
Report delsie777 January 21, 2016 4:56 PM GMT
Can't share your enthusiasm for this one CCM.
Report wellchief January 21, 2016 5:40 PM GMT
No, not this thread again Cry CCM, what have you done!! Laugh
Report Can't Catch Me January 21, 2016 7:34 PM GMT
Blush
Report impossible123 February 15, 2016 11:34 AM GMT
Is the horse ok after yesterday?

What is the matter with WPM horses just recently? Black Hercules - looked bad initially - maybe just winded - and now TUM. Far from an ideal situation just prior to Cheltenham.
Report stevo1 February 16, 2016 12:06 AM GMT
Cannot jump straight not sure he will be showing?
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