tell us more willie mullins

i think CV has organised a seance with timtim to speak to einstein to get a clearer picture of the champion hurdle

Good Will Hunting popped in, but couldn't keep up.

It's not very complicated stuff tbf lads Funny thing is I've pretty much zero financial interest in this years Champion Hurdle. Just backed Fly e/w and will cheer him on, hope he grabs a place at least so he can get cheered into winners enclosure.

its all just jokes anyway

i cannot wait for the CH looking forward to it more than anything else

If Hurricane Fly wasn't in the Champion I'd have zero interest in it. Nothing about the remaining 3 interest me. Faugheen over fences would be very interesting, just his price all season for Champion has been below what I'd be interested in taking.

Taken from first post on the champion hurdle thread -

Aside from those 7 mentioned the division lacks much depth to my eyes. Right now you can go back Vaniteaux 33/1, Irivng 33/1, Tiger Roll 25/1 all e/w and come out with a profit if any one of them even places. I think they do offer some great value and have backed all the on the nose. With a view to adding Jezki post soft ground slow run race defeats in Ireland.

And now you post this
It's not very complicated stuff tbf lads  Funny thing is I've pretty much zero financial interest in this years Champion Hurdle. Just backed Fly e/w and will cheer him on, hope he grabs a place at least so he can get cheered into winners enclosure.

So which one is it CVByrne?

I've Irving, Vaniteux and Tiger Roll all backed. All bets are written off as Vaniteux won't be running according to Henderson, I think Tiger Roll will surely go for a handicap surely. But maybe slim chance of Irving squeaking into the frame, but that's more hopeful than anything. So they're lost antepost bets. My only real financial interest remaining is Hurricane Fly e/w.

comedy gold

Lol need a filing cabinet soon CV by the amount of horses you've bet in each race!

I've a spreadsheet actually. Much better than a filing cabinet. I have a column which contains lost antepost bets, then I put all my live bets under a heading for each race. Supreme, Arkle etc.. I build books for each one, 2 in the Arkle, 2 in the Supreme, 3 in NH Chase etc..

This years Champion Hurdle is £80 in lost bets, £31 e/w on Fly and £15 win. Compare that to the last 4 years and it's dwarfed. I've more money on UDS, Vautour or Peace and Co than I've got in the Champion Hurdle. Race just not one for a big bet this year.

Tiger Roll would be interesting back on good ground at Cheltenham. Not saying he'd win but a performance above the level of what he's shown in his last few runs would not be out of the question.

I feel the race is being billed around 3 horses - 4 if you consider Hurricane Fly a contender - and it underestimates everything else.

Plenty of e/w opportunity outside the big 3/4.

It doesn't underestimate anything,I've said all season faugheen the new one and jezki will finish in the 1st 3,hurricane if it was heavy an Ew chance,the rest have no ****kin chance !

Rampage, you seem to only troll me on this forum. Can I ask why you ran away from replying to my post in the Champion Hurdle thread? I'll copy it in below in case you have trouble finding it.

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Rampage Jackson 02 Feb 15 22:52 Joined: 10 Nov 05 | Topic/replies: 147 | Blogger: Rampage Jackson's blog
Only Harry can get a horse fit enough to win the Champion Hurdle without a prep  #legend

After timing at its best, you were in tears ripping up your hurricane fly slips at the time!!!

Yay more morons come along to have a comment. How on planet earth is that an after time? Did I say I had backed Rock on Ruby? Or am I calling Harry a Legend because I know him, am part of a racing club which have 4 horses in training with him. Am going to buy another horse with him and am going down to Seabrough next week?

Now run along you idiot.

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Your only 2 posts in the year, trolling me. Got any actual opinions of your own ??

SYT I'll reply back in the Champion Hurdle thread, re Tiger Roll. I seem to have taken this thread off topic.

Rampage Jackson 03 Feb 15 22:39 Joined: 10 Nov 05 | Topic/replies: 148 | Blogger: Rampage Jackson's blog
Taken from first post on the champion hurdle thread -

Aside from those 7 mentioned the division lacks much depth to my eyes. Right now you can go back Vaniteaux 33/1, Irivng 33/1, Tiger Roll 25/1 all e/w and come out with a profit if any one of them even places. I think they do offer some great value and have backed all the on the nose. With a view to adding Jezki post soft ground slow run race defeats in Ireland.

And now you post this
It's not very complicated stuff tbf lads  Funny thing is I've pretty much zero financial interest in this years Champion Hurdle. Just backed Fly e/w and will cheer him on, hope he grabs a place at least so he can get cheered into winners enclosure.

So which one is it CVByrne?


Jeez even I worked that one out!! That all he had left out of those 3 bets was a very slim chance irving could place and further down the thread he mentions to have backed the fly!

Your right CV, proper TROLL

And not even posted in the correct thread ffs

I've plenty of lost antepost bets. More lost on Champagne Fever for Gold Cup than on all of the speculative bets in Champion Hurdle. Then we've Allez, Un Atout, Morning Run also is a gonner much to my annoyance. But if UDS wins the Arkle the antepost value I got on him wipes out all my losses. That's the name of the game when playing antepost.

not trolling but i have noticed a lot of what you type conveniently contradicts previous statements when it suits you.

I said I've pretty much Zero financial interest in this years Champion Hurdle. My 3 lost antepost bets are there in the large opinion piece I wrote about the Champion Hurdle. My financial interest in the race is now only Hurricane Fly. Yet you swoop in to troll me.

While in the other thread you call me an after timer in relation to Harry Fry, and Rock on Ruby. I praise the man who is trainer of our horses and will be for years to come, yet you cawl out of the woodwork to say I'm aftertiming backing bloody Rock on Ruby for the 2012 Champion Hurdle!!!!

You have posted nothing else on the forum other than those two posts this year. You are a complete troll.

Do hope someone listened to me on the 29th of January.

Can't be bothered scrolling through, what have I missed gutfeeling?

Wish I had!!

Jan 29, 2015 -- 1:46PM, gutfeeling wrote:

Petite Parisienne is the one they like currently, Not saying they dislike Kalkir but PP is expected to show its real worth nto where they may cross swords.

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CV, you're saying if UDS wins the Arkle it will mean losses returned from all ante-post bets, or just in relation to the bets on the Champion Hurdle?

Well done Gutt, the filly looks quality, and with 7lb allowance, I still tink Corals 12/1 for the Triumph for Petite Parisienne, looks attractive.

I bet on UDS @ 7/1, & 9/2 Sint, £50 & £100. I've almost £600 of lost / written off antepost bets so far. So that's £800 profit if UDS wins and I'd only get £90 profit if I put the £150 on at the current 4/6, so the antepost value on one horse can cover lost antepost bets on others. That was my point

wd Gutfeeling, I remember you pointing out PP when they were talking her up big time on the Final Furlong Podcast on Thursday.

Yeah I heard it there, You got me bang to rights.

Going back on track.....any vibes in Ireland as to which path they will take with Tell Us More?

I think they're still trying to work out what went wrong the last day. Watch Paddy prices for indications as to where he's likely to go. Personally I reckon it's the Neptune or wait til Punchestown. I gather he's fit and well if that's a help.

Looked at Paddy's prices this morning. Noticeably longest on him for the Neptune and shortest for the Supreme.

Can't see what else Giggy would run in the Supreme so seems most likely if they come over

You'd imagine Mullins would want him to run in Supreme as he has 3 already for the Neptune.

Eddie O'Leary said Neptune was the race for him a few weeks back so you'd imagine as Giggenstown decide where their horses go he could well run in Neptune.

Once the defeat came lto the original plan of Neptune was put into question

Cheers CV, you are the man I trust when it comes to looking at the Mullins horses

This horse is going to the Supreme ..... PP shortest for the Supreme .... biggest for the Neptune

I've backed him for the Neptune, Nichols Canyon for the Supreme and  Alvisio Ville for the Supreme.

F*cking disaster

Giggenstown have always said they want a runner in each race, aside from Tell Us More I don't see who could run in Supreme that wouldn't be a big outsider. He'd have been a cert to run in the Neptune had he won the last day, but to be beaten by McKinley is very poor form.

I've had two bets in the supreme and two in the neptune:

Supreme
Allez Colombieres @ 10/1 and 16/1
Alvisio Ville @ 25/1

Neptune
Tell Us More @ 20/1
Shaneshill @ 10/1

Gone a treat this year!!

Problem is Mullins has so many good Ricci, Wylie & Giggenstown horses. He has to keep them apart for their owners and he also wants to try keep his best chances apart to maximise his own winners. It's been an interesting and tough year to try place his string. One defeat relegates one from preference of a race.

I wonder if something has been up with TUM and Shaneshill though, not been sighted is ages and they were both defeated on their last starts.

Shaneshill running in the Supreme too. Nichols Canyon in the Neptune. Although we kind of knew that after the comments from the Deloitte.

Tell Us More could be forgiven the one bad run. He ran quite well for most of the race but just didn't quicken at all. As you said yourself CV in other threads, there could have been something amiss with him that day and we never heard.

Forgive him a bad run aye. But he's of no interest over 2 miles in the Supreme for me. He's a Neptune horse or he'll produce an Un Atout Supreme performance. Supreme is the race for Shaneshill (if he turns up) as Wylie has ones for the other two races.

But going on a bit of hope for both in the festival. I'll be mighty happy if either win but I fully expect both to be defeated.

Don't know if you've seen the Mullins interview on the ATR site.

Says regarding TUM that the school of thought was to drop him back in trip after his defeat but he felt he had different reasons for they defeat.

Then goes onto say that he's probably headed for the Neptune. Doesn't commit but that was his line of thinking.

Coupled with the O'Leary interview a few weeks ago, what's happened in the past week for TUM to now be headed to the supreme? No horses have won etc

I think TUM will end up in the Neptune - just a hunch

Yeah, Paddy has generally been correct this year, but they are only a point or two shorter for TUM supreme. Nothing that stands out anyeay.

Plenty more twists to come I reckon.

Still Neptune bound if he "starts to show more at home this week" Doesn't sound too positive

I doubt Gigginstown will run 3 or 4 in the Neptune and none in the Supreme. I'd still say Supreme despite Mullins comments say he prefers the Neptune.

I think what was said about TUM and Outlander is if both lined up in Neptune Cooper would ride TUM. Think his housemate said that on final furlong pod.

Just feel no run for TUM after his setback or poor running lto is big negative. As is Shaneshill not been sighted since Dec

Think gigg will run 2 in one 2 in other. Which ones anyone's guess. But thinking about that, looking at previous years, they don't actually run that many in the championship novice races, not as many as people might think anyway and certainly not anywhere near as many as they do in preps or at home in domestic grade ones

They have bought a lot of dirt over the years too SeaTheStars !! This is by far the strongest team of horses they've ever had.

Also horses in training with the likes of Fenton, Rothwell and Swan and horses in training with Mullins and Meade .... you don't need to be following racing too long to know which would have the better Cheltenham prospects.

That was about the Deloitte CV. It was between TUM and Identity Thief and Robbie McNamara said Cooper had already decided to ride TUM if he was declared

I don't think another horse that has only ever won one maiden hurdle, and is 14/1 and 25/1 for his festival targets, who has had more discussion on on a forum than Tell us More.

At least Minsk had won an Irish Cesarewitch FFS

Ta Tory, knew it was about TUM and another horse. Identity thief was the other, not Outlander. I stand corrected.

Any recent news on this one? Korals are a stand out 25/1 for the supreme and although i am mighty tempted i can't help but think i be throwing away my £20 and might as well give it to the next homeless man i see begging for change in the street for his next bottle of cheap cider

Last I heard they were waiting for him to spark in his work and that - if he did - the Neptune would be his race. The fact that the markets are all over the place suggest to me that he hasn't 'sparked'

Can't see this running to be honest and if he does he certainly ain't winning, and I say that with a 20-1 voucher from ages ago in the sky rocket

MULLINS AND HIS MULTIPLE  ENTRIES coupled with the 4 days has done something to this show

Won't be coming over, my guess is they'll keep him for Punchestown

is that confirmed by the stable bbf - or just your guess?

Bryan Cooper confirmed at a Preview Night he rides Outlander in the Neptune. Find it unlikely TUM will be seen at Cheltenham this year, having said that a bit of money came for the Neptune today.

Cooper said at Waterford on Thursday Tell Us More would go for the Supreme

I don't think anyone has got a clue who runs where, keep getting different opinions from those involved so I guess it's just wait and see.

Tell Us More will run in the Supreme if he runs at all as Gigginstown have nothing else for it. They have a few for the Neptune. I watched back Tell Us More's Naas race and his hurdling was terrific. He didn't get up the hill at Naas which probably isn't a good omen for Cheltenham. The Scorpion thing is getting mentioned too but the shorter trip would be in his favour based on I what I saw in the Naas race. I could see him jumping and travelling very well and fading in the straight.

People on Twitter today saying that mullins has talked about him in the irish field today and all but confirmed him for the neptune. Haven't read the article so no idea how correct

I was at the Cheltenham preview night Cooper was on and he only mentioned him in the context of the Supreme. Would seem a bad move to me to run him in the Neptune when a) Gigginstown have others for the race and b) at Naas, he looked like a step back in trip might suit him

I don't think the trip was the issue at Naas. The horse blew up IMO and ran under par like a few of Willie's did at that time.

Very much agree with CCM. Neptune looks tailor made to me

I heard it's definitely the Albert Bartlett. My source is a mouse in Tell Us More's box who heard it from the horse's mouth. The actual horse.

The comment from the Irish Field:

TELL US MORE

5yo b g (11-12)

Scorpion - Zara’s Victory

Gigginstown House Stud

He has done a few nice bits of work since last week and I would say that he is a Neptune horse. Pedigree-wise he could go for the Albert Bartlett, but he has enough speed for the Supreme. He is good and he hasn’t done anything to suggest that he won’t be travelling.

Thanks. That's pretty much exactly the same comment on the ATR site.

Everyone in Ireland appears to want to avoid Douvan so it wouldn't surprise me to see Gigginstown run a few in an an open looking Neptune.

Surprised Cooper has committed to Outlander so early, all the same.

Report in Irish Field from WM states;-

"He has done a few nice bits of work since last week and I would say that he is a Neptune horse. He is good and he hasn’t done anything to suggest that he won’t be travelling"

Sounds like bets are still on.

Gigginstown will want to keep their runners apart ..... I doubt they will want 3 runners in the Neptune and none in the Supreme. Also the fact Cooper is saying Supreme is going to surely have some influence .... Don Poli / Valseur Lido are going the route Cooper said they would at the start of the season and not the one Mullins wanted.

Just sellotaped Neptune slips back together, now I need to tear them up again - aaarghhh

To be fair to mullins, every time he has been asked about this horse he has always said Neptune.

I've no idea where he'll run to be honest ... I'm reading between the lines but for an operation like Gigginstown it would make sense to split up the runners. Also the same with Alvisio Ville ... I cannot believe JP / AP would like to see him line up for Supreme alongside Jollyallan when they have absolutely nothing else for the Neptune / AB.

I still don't think he will come over

SYT, think they are concerned with AV settling and the speed of the supreme will give him more chance of doing that.
makes sense to me.I have him nrnb for both races, so on that score I aint bothered, but I think I would prefer him in the supreme,think he has a better chance in that race.

Wish I knew who would ride him though.

Bryan Cooper "Outlander and Tell Us More are also great rides to have, but there is no final plan with them yet. The Neptune looks the obvious race for Outlander."

From London preview night

Onto the Neptune. Rich and Sam have nowt in it. Rich reckons Tell Us More runs in it. Nichols Canyon wouldn't be his choice

Looks like it is Supreme or bust with this one now judging by the markets, just been laid out to 95 on here in neptune

God i wish i had availed myself to some of the 25s korals were last week now

Social runner - if it was right it would be in the Neptune. Been watching Douvan's backside disappear into the distance for weeks.

Its alright got a little on just now at 20s, worked out me book on supreme and just squeezed him in. Full up on that event now it seems. No more bets to be gad between now and about Weds morning when books offer enhancements on main protagonists in the big races. Not bothered about Tues, already on them at nice prices.

He'll be cruising this horse right up until the bottom of the hill. Looks at his Naas run - he has an engine and he's electric away from his hurdles. He didn't find much off the bridle that day and much is made of his sire's record. Still though looks a good back to lay to me.

As well people put a lot of emphasis into what happens on Mullins gallops....how many times has a fancied one lost to a stablemate this season. Nichols Canyon beat Allez Colomberies (not a great example I know), McKinley beat Tell Us More, Nichols Canyon beat Alvisio Ville, Twinlight beat Ballycasey, Outlander beat Killutagh Vic, there's probably more.

They know as much as the rest of us ... and it would be no surprise to see Tell Us More to finish ahead of his 3 stablemates, DOuvan, Shaneshill or Alvisio Ville (who if I was JP McManus would be running in the Neptune)

As well people put a lot of emphasis into what happens on Mullins gallops....how many times has a fancied one lost to a stablemate this season.

The pre season Mullins hype this season has not worked out at all. They'd all been usurped for one reason or another. Tell Us More didn't go to plan for us, Shaneshill was the other early season Neptune fancy, he had Kalkir in the Triumph, Allez Colombieres was going to be the Supreme horse and Douvan was an afterthought.

You'd have some genius foresight to pick out Douvan, Nichols Canyon and Black Hercules as the big 3 Mullins favourites for the novice hurdles.

Also part of me is now wondering if Hercules is only favourite because we haven't seen him in ages. His early season reputation is in tact because he's never had a race.

Bumper form aint really worked out that well either.

Mullins, no better than 1-4 favourite to be top trainer at the festival, also confirmed that he will be represented in the Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle by Douvan, Alvisio Ville and Tell Us More.



No word about Shaneshill

Was just going to post the exact same thing STS ... looks steady enough on here so presume t's just a mistake that he was left out that list.

You were saying SYT

Mar 7, 2015 -- 1:22PM, SEATHESTARS....NO1 wrote:

You were saying SYT

Shaneshill is mentioned as a runner in the Supreme in the online article along with the other 3 you mentioned.

I see that article has been updated with Shaneshill now mentioned. Above was a copy/paste from this morning of same article you are on about Mister Westsound


AND BREATH

SEATHESTARS

You say Tell Us More will be cruising close to the front at the bottom of the hill and so would be a good back to lay. Tend to agree. What price should I be thinking of laying him (not much experience of back to lay) please?

He's certainly got an engine

Can't share your enthusiasm for this one CCM.

No, not this thread again CCM, what have you done!!

Is the horse ok after yesterday?

What is the matter with WPM horses just recently? Black Hercules - looked bad initially - maybe just winded - and now TUM. Far from an ideal situation just prior to Cheltenham.

Cannot jump straight not sure he will be showing?