Next years Gold Cup (Market)

Holywell appeals to me the most at the moment,14s a fair price

Silviniaco Conti for me, form in the book, and a bit more patient on him up the hill next time hopefully.

A win in the KG on the way I expect too.

horses don't often win the gold cup having been unsuccessful twice kev, is sir des champs slightly forgotten I wonder.

If I was given a free bet at the moment I might put it on Bobsworth. He didn't have a very good 13/14 season and might have had a problem. If they get him back to the previous years form he could still be the best around at the GC trip.

I think the only Sub-20/1 shot worth an Ante-Post thought at present is CUE CARD.

The right age, 8 rising 9.
Immensely talented
OR 172
RPR 180
Strong performer at Cheltenham
Was unbelievable at Haydock last November.
Was storming home again at Kempton in King George when the race turned on its head when he faltered.

I am assuming some form of injury/illness manisfested itself in that race (virus mentioned to be in the yard, and stable form wasn't strong last season at 11% winners), and he wasn't seen again through the rest of the season.

Nothing I can see in the favourites has the profile to outperform this gelding, and if he comes back well from his break then this could well be his year to be the Gold Cup winner.

Would agree with above post Timeform have him on 180, few clear of anything else he would face in the Gold Cup. But did he leave the race behind last year, hard to see him not involved in this years race, the way it turned out.

CHASERS - TIMEFORM RATINGS (END OF SEASON 2013-2014)

192p SPRINTER SACRE
180 CUE CARD
176 SILVINIACO CONTI

176? BOBS WORTH

175 CAPTAIN CHRIS
174 FLEMENSTAR
172+ SIRE DE GRUGY

171 DYNASTE
171 SIR DES CHAMPS

169 MENORAH
166P SIMONSIG
166 LAST INSTALMENT
166? FINIAN'S RAINBOW
165 CHINA ROCK
165 THE GIANT BOLSTER
165 TIDAL BAY
164 SOMERSBY
164§ SANCTUAIRE

163+ BOSTON BOB 
163 ARVIKA LIGEONNIERE

163 HARRY TOPPER
163 LORD WINDERMERE
163 ON HIS OWN

Timeform bit harsh on Lord windermere any other thought??

SANCTUAIRE

Could Harry Topper be  a player in next years Gold Cup, if he can improve his jumping.

boston bob !!

wouldnt get gold cup trip in a horse box

^^^ and you'd know

If Mullins trained him for it, I think he'd get it. Like the Derby, if you're sure to get it, you're probably too slow. The horse that chased Brindisi Breeze up the hill, we'd have laughed if it was said he wouldn't get 26.5f at the time. Didn't fall in the RSA due to tiredness either I don't think. They've handled him tenderly in many of the races he has been beaten in since he came back and that can create a certain impression. Won't fail for lack of stamina to me.

Quick ground means Sir Des Champs for me still. Would have beaten Bobs Worth for me if he'd had it.

if boston bob wins a gold cup howdi i promise i will never post on here again,more chance of its relative briar hill winning it next season

come on Boston

Cheers Howdi !!

I started backing Boston Bob 16/1 is a cracking price I think and must have a massive chance but im keeping a eye on Taquin De Seuil AP loves this horse and could step up into a leading contender taking in the King George along the way Hollywell as another off the t all doubled up with my Early Cheltenahm Banker Balder Success

I'd be interested in backing Taquin De Seuil. Has Jonjo been quoted as saying he's going to step the horse up to 3miles next season for the King George though?

^^^ Yes they want the big one.

Jonjo record at Cheltenham a plus.

cufcno1  • July 23, 2014 2:19 AM BST 


Cheers Howdi !!Excited

Am not the the best with them stupid faces,everyone else puts them on so I thought I would,can't see past holywell

Smad Place @ 25's would be the one for me at the moment.  Good progressive second season novice who was unlucky not a win an RSA, and placed in two World Hurdles.  155 is a good mark for the Hennessey and then onwards and upwards.

I miss the jumps

be a poor renewal if he wins but that's the way the race has gone, since the superstars have retired. (Hope you are well well chief).

Yeah all is well cheers Howdi.  Looking forward to the new Prem season and the start of the jumps.

I think Smad is a bit under rated (placed in three G1's at the festival), and didn't have the easiest prep last year.  It would be good to see Alan King having a good one again as well.  He was the one who I took out of the RSA as having the biggest future in staying chases anyway.

Couldn't have any of this years runners winning it next year, so I'd have to look at last years novices and Boston Bob.

has sir des champs been forgotten?

Probably has mate.  Have to admit that I've never rated him as hightly as some people, but it doesn't look a vintage one, so he has to have a chance if he's back from injury.

For me, Champagne Fever and Ballycasey would be better over the Ryanair distance, but Ricci has Djakadam as well for that.  It will be like last years novice races all over again with those three!

No idea what the record is like for Arkle runners in next years Gold Cup.  Kicking King was second to the mighty Chief in the Arkle and won the Gold Cup the following year, and War of Attrition was unplaced in the Arkle and won the Gold Cup the following year, so not out of the question for Champagne Fever.

huge buzz horse last year Djakadam was at preview nights. Thought about backing him for Gold cup on bacl of this. Youngster so could improve. I'm keen to know what they have got planned for Briar Hill.

My favourite racehorse at the minute Howdi,the last thing I heard they were talking about world hurdle

I may be wrong, would not be the first or last time, but in my opinion, Champagne Fever, much as I like him, will not stay the GC trip in a month of sundays.

Ruby Walsh has said before that Champagne Fever would 'get 4 miles.'

Well, one of us is wrong & I am quite happy for it to be me. The staying chase division could do with a new star and CF would be an immensely likeable and popular one.

I do think he is an excellent jumper.

front running blazing style be difficult.

looks like hurricane fly going world hurdle route too

I'd want to see Champagne Fever over 3m before I put my hand in my pocket to back him.

Similar with Al Ferof, what they called a stayer who both happened to win a good renewal of the Supreme each; but Al Ferof didn't stay anywhere near as well as they thought.

I'd like to see Champagne stay 3m and add some class to the Gold Cup, but with Al Ferof memories fresh in the mind, I'd be a bit cautious at ths stage as an antepost proposition.

Sorry for going off topic as well, but if they do aim Hurricane Fly at the WH, that's the wrong decision imo.

I wouldn't take him to Cheltenham again; I'd be in favour of retiring him.  If he does stay in training, I think he should be kept in Ireland on his favourable soft ground, and if they do come over here, the Aintree Hurdle over 2.5 would be perfect, as he'd be nice and fresh against horses who'd just run in the Champion.

The step up in trip worked for Solwhit, but that was his 26th race as a 9 year old, whereas it would probably be Hurricane's 40th race as an 11 year old.

Spot on regarding Hurricane Fly Wellchief, and also agree re Champagne Fever.

I'm a big Fever fan but I've got to think that others have worked out to get him beat - just don't think he's at his best when taken on for the lead.