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i dont know but why not try,if the horse is going to get away with it anywhere it would be aintree !
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MTOY should definitely run at Aintree. Where else would they run him? JP has two top class two milers, one who is trained in England (and won at Aintree last season) and one who is trained in Ireland (who won at Punchestown last season). It would make sense to run them both at those courses again. I think MTOY would stay 2m4f even, as seems likely, if he pulls. Even if he doesn't, surely it's worth a go?
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I'm struggling to see how a horse who burns up too much energy cheaply and thus doesn't do himself justice at the end of a 2 mile race ...is going to be suited to going another 4 furlongs in a race where they'll go even slower early doors with him pulling just as much as usual and the jockey struggling even more in the knowledge that the need to conserve energy is even greater than normal.
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The only course that he has appeared to struggle to get home is Cheltenham, with it's stiff finish. He had no trouble on heavy ground at Kempton or on soft ground in the Betfair at Newbury. With the likelihood of good ground, I think it's worth trying at Aintree.
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This is a horse that has all the talent and capability of winning a couple of champion hurdles if they could get him to settle and some think sending him over 2 m4 is going help and not hinder this cause. Beggars belief.
Henderson said straight after the champion hurdle when interviewed we just need to get him to drop the bit but im not sure how we are going to do it. Hed probably forgot abount the 2m 4 race @ Aintree!. |
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Hes not struggling to get home as such,he got up the hill this year and last year,but using too much during the race is definitely affecting his chances of winning the top races. Were he settling he would imo have won both the Supreme and the CHurdle. For me hes the fastest 2 mile NH horse around. Jumps a hurdle well too.
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Geoff,
If his trainer don't know what to do,it don't give us lot much chance of knowing!! My guess is they will try him over a few fences at home and see if that helps, if it did they could go chasing next season.....only a guess though!! Certainly don't see a longer hurdle race helping. |
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They can't give up on hurdling whilst he has all the ability in the world to win a CH , chasing would be worse IMO anyway, because there's more effort needed to jump a fence and as the jockey pushes him into a fence it'll just serve to fire him up.
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I backed Jezki because Barry Geraghty was riding him. In my opinion the last twice Tony McCoy gave the horse very poor rides. I hope Geraghty keeps the ride (he is 5 out of 5 on the horse). Look at last years Supreme and watch Robbie Power get the last two hurdles wrong on Jezki. Jessica Harrington does not tilt at windmills and knows when she has a horse capable of competing at championship level.
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the tent doesn't look a battler to me more of a bottler, doesn't matter how good you can travel through a race if you bottle it at the business end..
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despite cutting jezki back and clearly putting it all in and despite being under pressure before TNO in the christmas hurdle and making up about 3 lengths between the final two flights and then again battling right to the line...despite all that you mean?
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yes despite putting himself in a winning position in a supreme and a CH he bottled it both times losing to 2 horses that wanted it more....
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can,t compare a flat track like Kempton to Cheltenham, he can get away with it on flat tracks but not cheltenham
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If it is a question of one of Jezki and My Tent Or Yours going to Aintree and one to Punchestown, it's pretty simple for me.
The last thing My Tent Or Yours needs is a step up in trip, two miles round Punchestown should suit. Conversely, Jezki is a Grade 1 winner over 2m 4f and has shown a tendency to hang left on right handed tracks in the past. If I had to split them Jezki would be the one going to Aintree. |
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On next year's Champion Hurdle, I don't think Tiger Roll has been given the credit he deserves for winning the Triumph. That was just the third start of his life and he has shown significant improvement with each run. Worse 33/1 around imo.
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I certainly wouldn't be in the dodgy camp. He's run gun barrel straight in two races and all the way to the line both times. He's been trying to take back ground on two stout stayers. If he were mine he'd either be over fences next season or I'd be telling the jockey to kick on going to two out and serve it up to them.
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He should be kicking on far earlier over hurdles anyway. He is the fastest horse in the race, so why not make more use of it? McCoy keeps trying to produce him at the last. If he tried to win the race earlier, he may take them all out of their comfort zone.
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I don't think MTOY will ever win a CH now. The horse has a serious issue with settling, even when the pace is strong (i.e. this years Champion Hurdle). Yes, he's undoubtedly the paciest horse in the race, but that doesn't count for a huge amount on a track like Cheltenham. The only way the horse could ever win the CH in the future is if he's given his head and allowed to dictate his own fractions, and even then, he might not get home. If I were JP then I would look at going over the big jumps - there's nothing like a 8 feet high fence to encourage a horse to settle a bit better. That being said, I don't think they will and my guess is that MTOY will be outbattled up the hill again next year by The New One and Faugheen
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I am struggling with comments like he was outbattled,and he bottled it,i really am.
To be honest imo that's just plain ignorance,and totally unfair on the horse. Do people actually realise what pulling during a race does to a horses chances?? |
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it got beat off a very good horse when on good ground ! ran a cracker in defeat,didnt get outbattled this year,did last year though
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problem with the tent he doesn't have the instant turn off foot, as some other the stables strong traveling champions, against the very best anyway, still a very smart horse some of the crabbing on here very unfair
think hes worth at shot Aintree but that just feels like that the new ones cheltenham compensation |
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your struggling with someones opinion budd
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I think it's fair to say that there isn't a lot between the first 3 home with UDS and maybe vautour if the decide to do what they did with AP this year in delay chasing for a crack at the CH!!
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Im going for Faugheen for next years race. If Vautour is going chasing who knows about UDS and Annie P but Faugheen has won the best race at the festival for stepping up to CHdl. I dont think this years race was as good as we thought and I'm sorry but Im still dissappointed that Jezki won.
They say The New One was unlucky at Chelt and he would ghave won at Kempton if hed not messed up the last, well he is going to be underpriced because of this and I don't like unlucky horses and at 3 times the price Faughen wild do. |
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i like faugheen and I hope they stay hurdling with him, he could be anything...
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At 2 miles pace he needs to learn to hurdle. They will laugh at him if he starts kicking hurdles out of the ground in a champion.
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learn to hurdle better you mean?
as he has only run 4 times over hurdles id expect him to get better wouldn't you? |
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On balance probably not. Horses which miss some out tend to keep that tendency going forward. Good jumpers are usually pretty nimble by the time they arrive at the track. More Of That had only four starts before jumping beautifully in the world hurdle.
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I'd be very surprised if Faugheen goes down the 2m hurdling route. Looks a stayer to me who needs to improve his jumping.
Un De Sceaux is still very much an unknown quantity. It could just as easily turn out that he's not up to Champion Hurdle class. I would say Mullins grip on the two mile hurdling ranks will not be what it was now that Hurricane Fly's best days are behind him. |
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Crikey, this looks set to be another massive thread. Some people want to consider the crap they wrote on this season's thread before cluttering another one. The only one worth listening to last time was bucksisgood.
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Can't have some of the comments on MTOY I agree with Budd. Jezki was the best horse on the day but MTOY certainly had his excuses and another couple of yards and I think he would have been in front. I can't have people calling him a bridle horse or saying he doesn't get up the hill. He was extremely keen so he deserves credit for finishing as close as he did but for me his main fault was his jumping. He just wasn't quick enough at them. If he could jump like Hurricane Fly or Binocular he'd be one of the best we've seen. I would rather see him have a spin on the flat than the Aintree hurdle. Complete waste of time running over another half mile. I think The New One will be close next year but possibly a bit flattered by closing late on in the race. He was hampered badly obviously but I also thought he got left behind a bit when Jezki, Fly & MTOY kicked into gear. That was effectively where the hottest part of the race was and TNO was effectively staying on when the race had been run.
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I think he's likely to go chasing but I think Vautour would be the best CH prospect from the novices. His hurdling is a joy to watch. Faugheen would be interesting but as mentioned above he won't get away with clattering hurdles like he does.
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Faugheen will run in the Gold Cup..........next season as a novice.
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Just watched the race again,jezki not getting the credit he deserves,jezki pulled harder than mtoy for most of the way !
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In the rush to make statements about other horses people seem to be sticking to their preconceived views on Jezki. The difference of a couple of lengths from last year was easily made up with him jumping the last two better by the fact that he had Geraghty on board in the champion and crucially that he always had the horse in the right positions. People who dismissed him pre race and yet argued the case on behalf of MTOY were being illogical. That was one of the reasons why the race was so hard to call this season ante post.
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jezki had to be right there on last years form,im mccoys biggest fan but the ride he got before the ch was poor to say the least,i think if jezki and mtoy ran against each other 10 times they would finish within a length of each other,people were coming on here saying..place lay of the meeting..biggest load of shiite ive ever heard !
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^^^ easy to say now
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Perhaps not in such strong terms but people were questioning such assertions in the run up to the race.
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MTOY not entered @ Aintree surprise /surprise.
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Going to ayr isn't he
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