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First Lieutenant - Gold Cup or Ryanair?

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By:
shockster
When: 07 Mar 14 14:21
It's the good ground that's the key.  Rubbish on soft.  Watch the race against Hidden Cyclone.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 07 Mar 14 15:01
Fook it I'll have some ew
By:
sintonian
When: 07 Mar 14 15:59
Can see the angle here chaps but i'm not sure HC was right at that point in time. He seems better now. 33/1 prob worth a few quid ew NRNB.
By:
judorick
When: 08 Mar 14 10:52
it's 24/29 for GC and 10/12 for Ryan Air this morning

decision made?
By:
johntucker
When: 08 Mar 14 11:49
Doubts about FL running at all? That's a big price for a Ryanair without Cue Card.
By:
shockster
When: 08 Mar 14 22:17
FL clear third in the betting on here for The Gold Cup. My Ante Post hopes it goes this way and I think he's got a good chance.
By:
CVByrne
When: 08 Mar 14 22:28
I think he has an excellent chance in Gold Cup. He'll love the quick ground it'll be on the friday and he'll love the trip. I think Bobs Worth while he'll love the better ground too could lose touch if they go too quick and he won't be able to get to them. I think Conti likes soft ground which would be common for most Dom Alcos.

Captain Chris will jump as badly right as he did last year, it's actually funny to watch him veer off out of shot and never seen again at the 3rd last in the replay on channel 4 today. That leaves the handicappers there to try make the frame but Gold Cup winners come from the top 3 in the betting in the past decade.
By:
Dan Chipowski
When: 08 Mar 14 22:30
Would add spice to the Gold Cup and I think it would be the right race to run him in. Could see him running a blinder.
By:
SoYouThink
When: 08 Mar 14 22:43
I have been with Silviniaco Conti for the Gold Cup all season but would definitely be worried about his chances on this drying ground.
By:
alleged22
When: 08 Mar 14 22:51
Captain Chris will jump as badly right as he did last year, it's actually funny to watch him veer off out of shot and never seen again at the 3rd last in the replay on channel 4 today

I hope dickie is reading this and rides him as he should be rode on the inside rail
By:
ACStafford
When: 08 Mar 14 23:35
When Captain Chris goes right handed Dickie always has him against the rail and he jumps straight, but when he goes left handed and has horses close to his right, he just seems to jump into them. It's a shame as he's a top class horse. Even if you ignore his tendency to jump right, this is the wrong race for him. He should be running in the Ryanair.
By:
GraveDodger
When: 09 Mar 14 15:24
some of us know why FL is out to 23.0 in Ryanair and into 12.5 for gold cup!!!Wink
By:
johntucker
When: 09 Mar 14 16:17
FL has rarely had proper good ground over 3m. If it does dry out by Friday and the taps stay off I'd say he has a rattling good chance.
By:
shockster
When: 09 Mar 14 16:20
Wow.  M O'Leary has just said Last Instalment might run on good ground but might not.  However, very unlikely LI and FL will both run.  Also very unlikely that he will have 2 runners in the Ryanair. Either FL or Rathlin???? 

That's put my thoughts up in the air and no decision until Thursday.
By:
judorick
When: 09 Mar 14 16:39
now there is no money for FL for the GC and he is still 15 for Ryan Air

starting to think he won't run at all

does anyone know????
By:
alleged22
When: 09 Mar 14 16:46
owner said on atr earlier that they might wait for Aintree Confused
By:
CVByrne
When: 09 Mar 14 17:35
FL will run in one or other race. It's nrnb so hardly worth trying to speculate unless you have an antepost interest. There is no chance they will wait for Aintree with FL. He will get his perfect ground at Cheltenham.

It all depends on if the ground is watered or not. There will be no rain to help them
By:
alleged22
When: 09 Mar 14 17:56
I appreciate that cv, all I  have quoted is what oleary said... Happy
By:
josef k
When: 09 Mar 14 18:09
Far too much emphasis on ridiculous team tactics imo. Gold Cup is the only race they should be thinking about with FL. The horse was used as filler for last years Festival when they had a 'better' big race option (ok in that instance I doubt he would have actually fared any better than SDC but this year is a different story). I truly believe Friday would see the real Lieutenant step up. Does MM have an opinion (is he allowed one?)
By:
CVByrne
When: 09 Mar 14 19:34
Well the operation needs to make money to fund itself so keeping it's string apart is always the soundest tactic.
By:
Ming_the_Merciless
When: 09 Mar 14 19:44
Right enough CV but it is the Gold Cup - you'd think it was a no brainer really.
By:
josef k
When: 09 Mar 14 19:47
That's fair enough CV, after all I'm not paying the bills so cant really chip too much on the matter. It would be a real pity though for a horse that spends all its time chasing the others round when conditions are against him, to finally get his own day come around only to be cut down before he gets a chance. As with football teams, the people who make the big decisions are not always the best qualifies to do so....
By:
CVByrne
When: 09 Mar 14 20:49
I don't see why it would be different for an operation to try maximise the profit and winners at the festival. Running both horses where one needs it softer and one needs it quick. Especially when the stable are famous for entering two and running the one who prefers the ground on the day.

They know what they're doing they're a big operation.
By:
shockster
When: 11 Mar 14 11:51
Rathlin Goes for Ryanair for Gigginstown.

Hope First Lieutenant now goes for Gold Cup.
By:
MWDS
When: 11 Mar 14 12:21
Fantastic news.  Win, lose or draw I'm delighted they've given Mouse the chance to run the horse at the race he's wanted to for the last 2 years.

Mouse Morris is a great trainer and a class act.Happy
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 12 Mar 14 01:04
And I think he has another Gold Cup winner on his hands....
By:
buddeliea
When: 12 Mar 14 08:19
Me too, but which one??
He could well be watering after yesterdays tragic event.
By:
GI MAC
When: 12 Mar 14 08:27
Very good point budd, I shall be keen to here what Claisse says on the morning line.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 12 Mar 14 10:22
Morris only has one Budd - First Lieutenant
By:
miltons sophie
When: 12 Mar 14 10:45
Sorry,was thinking Gigginstown.
By:
buddeliea
When: 12 Mar 14 14:00
Indeed I was
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