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By:
cufcno1
When: 02 Mar 14 19:38
jasey where has annie power won over 3 mile at,on some paddy field !
By:
quantize
When: 02 Mar 14 19:47
If she is gonna be a gold cup horse needs to win world hurdle
By:
cufcno1
When: 02 Mar 14 19:49
we will find out because you have to stay on the new course !
By:
lemon
When: 02 Mar 14 20:00
ludicrous decision.
for future reference, ricci can be walked all over seemingly
By:
festivalfanatic
When: 02 Mar 14 20:03
We're over a week away....plenty of time for Willie to change his mind!
By:
lucky22
When: 02 Mar 14 20:08
It makes the most sense. Willie/Ruby can be heroes in 3 races at the festival. It's in no one's interest to put AP against the Fly....and for one thing it makes the world hurdle a better race...the Champion Hurdle already looks like a cracker!!
By:
PeteTheBloke
When: 02 Mar 14 20:13
I don't think Wiilie's motivation is making the WH a better race.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 02 Mar 14 20:14
Wouldn't shock me if Annie Power failed to stay and took over the Quevega role
By:
jasey
When: 02 Mar 14 20:27
cufcno1..You missed my point.
She could have raced in Ireland and won over 3 mile in race run at a crawl it still wouldn't mean she stays
By:
cufcno1
When: 02 Mar 14 20:32
sorry mate,all this studying getting me a bit touchy !
By:
Barney Rubble
When: 02 Mar 14 20:42
Poor decision IMO.

Wouldn't want to be risking a possible Gold Cup horse in the World hurdle. Can't think of any World Hurdlers offhand who went to the top over fences.
By:
Brooksielad
When: 02 Mar 14 20:45
Usually because the world hurdle is contended by failed chasers.
By:
buddeliea
When: 02 Mar 14 20:50
That's cos it's an afterthought, they originally wanted her in CH, but then realised HF could win it again.not campaigned for WH and future GC horses don't go this route.
By:
Barney Rubble
When: 02 Mar 14 20:52
True. Just hope they walk the first 1/2 mile like last year and then hopefully she won't be bottomed before she even begins her chasing career
By:
jasey
When: 02 Mar 14 20:53
Dorans Pride  won world hurdle and became a top chaser 3rd in a gold cup
By:
buddeliea
When: 02 Mar 14 20:55
To be honest, IMO they have wasted a year with her now,could have gone nov chasing and be going GC next season.
By:
buddeliea
When: 02 Mar 14 20:59
Ok jasey,don't normally go this route,is certainly not what they planned.
By:
jasey
When: 02 Mar 14 21:18
I agree with you Bud
By:
cyclops
When: 03 Mar 14 12:36
Reminds me of Flyingbolt dodging Arkle. Went on to win the 2 mile Champion chase then run 3rd in the Champion Hurdle. Might just have re-written history if he'd gone for the Gold Cup.

Has to be the right decision assuming HF remains on course. Budd, you say that it's not what they'd planned. Where's the evidence? Mullins was going to run AP over 3 miles at Christmas then had a re-think. Hasn't targeted a top 2 mile race with her (Britain or Ireland) this season and her campaign leads more logically to the Stayers than the Champion, regardless of Hurricane Fly.
By:
buddeliea
When: 03 Mar 14 12:53
Budd, you say that it's not what they'd planned. Where's the evidence?


Not one race over 3m. Every race over hurdles thus far has been 2m or 2 and a halfm, her last race was 2m.

Start of season owner said he wanted CH.


if they had planned WH for her she would have been campaigned that way, she aint.
Shes been campaigned in a way to step in should HF have a setback...clear as day for me.
Its been a sort of in between distances campaign, so she could go 2m if needed to.
Now we are getting close,they are saying WH for the first time with some substance.

She will now run in a race 3 furlongs further than shes raced before.
Personally I think she will win the race,as she is considered a Gold Cup horse. And that for me is further evidence...shes considered a Gold Cup type,yet has forsaken a novice chase campaign, for the WHurdle!!
I could understand that if owner wanted the glory of the CHurdle, but the WH?? When she could have been going Arkle on the way to Gold Cup??.
Got to wait another year now,just for the WH???  Nope,not avin it.
By:
cyclops
When: 03 Mar 14 12:59
She's only six. Plenty of time to go chasing. Yes, she may have been HF's deputy and no doubt she would step into his shoes if needed (as would UDS). But The World Hurdle is the top stayers race of the year and her most impressive run was brushing aside Zarkander over 2m5f in very soft going. IMO, she's more likely to have the stamina for the stayers than the speed for the Champion, particularly if it comes up G/S. And that's from someone who backed her at very long odds for the Champion in September. Not great for the pocket but cant argue with the decision.
By:
BarryM
When: 03 Mar 14 16:18
I think WM has behaved disgracefully, and I would never have a horse with him after the way he has handled this mare. She was kept over hurdles to go for the champion, and he has bullied the owner out of letting her run. He said in a recent interview "has she ever met a real champion hurdle horse". Well, as it happens, she has twice beaten Zarkandar easier than Hurricane Fly did in last year's Champion, so arguable "yes". But if she hasn't Willie, who's fault is that exactly? Meanwhile, she is now going to have to step up more than half a mile in trip - and a mile on her last run - in a championship event. It's complete nonsense.

She might go and win it of course, but I would still stand by all the above. She might also have a really gruelling battle and be put off the place, when she's barely come of the bridle so far.

I think she'd have a great chance in the Champion, and would be a certainty in the mares, Quevaga no chance over 2.5m against this mare. Quevaga, of course, is the one that SHOULD be running in the world hurdle.

There are many in Ireland who think WM is some sort of God. I disagree, but he certainly moves in mysterious ways.
By:
buddeliea
When: 03 Mar 14 16:34
I think she'd have a great chance in the Champion, and would be a certainty in the mares, Quevaga no chance over 2.5m against this mare. Quevaga, of course, is the one that SHOULD be running in the world hurdle.


Nice to someone agreeing with me re Quevega and APower.

Been all about the Fly and Quevega as far as Annie Powers campaign has gone.
By:
Arklearkle
When: 03 Mar 14 16:52
Barry poor WM must be nearly in tears on hearing that you wont be sending a horse to him!
By:
Ramruma
When: 03 Mar 14 16:56
Also Felix Yonger being sacrificed for Champagne Fever in the Arkle.

Mullins has three horses making history: Quevega's sixth Mares; Champagne Fever's third Festival win; and Hurricane Fly's third Champion Hurdle. It does look as if other considerations are secondary.

But maybe that is unfair. Perhaps he is just keeping his best horses apart for other reasons. The effect is the same.
By:
buddeliea
When: 03 Mar 14 17:26
Its a problem that will continue if one trainer has the best horses,and his own agendas.
Lethal combination for ruining the sport imo.
By:
buddeliea
When: 03 Mar 14 17:38
Probably a bit strong saying ruining the sport,but its certainly having an effect on the quality in depth of big races imo.
Best way of preventing this is for owners to spread their horses about.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 03 Mar 14 18:08
probably not my best timing but Mullins 10 year record in the World Hurdle is underwhelming at best.

2 placed from 15 runners, you may say she's too good for it to matter but, it does suggest he's not the best judge of what is required to be a force in the race given the firepower at his disposal - appreciate seven of those races have been won by two absolute superstars but you'd expect him to have a few more in the frame at least.
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 03 Mar 14 23:51
Interesting some weird moves in the Mares where she has been backed down from 150 to 10/1. Assume that it's nothing but odd none the less. No move on the Quevega prices so assume it is a bot, fat finger or some other explanation.
By:
grocerjack
When: 04 Mar 14 08:16
I should imagine its cos non runner no bet scenario so Bookies /punters covering themselves in case Annie plans change.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 04 Mar 14 08:29
People cancelling their bets cos its World Hurdle.end of.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 04 Mar 14 08:30
Said it on here for 3 months. Always been heading World Hurdle.jesus it's been double figs for the other two for as long....even Forrest Gump could work out it was the World
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 04 Mar 14 08:37
Paddy M laughed at Tom Segal last night at tipping up Annie P for the champ saying horses she has beat over 2m would get lapped in the champion hurdle.always been viewed as a stayer
By:
tomdeane
When: 04 Mar 14 11:22
I wanted her in the Churdle but no point covering very old ground with that.

More importantly, does she stay in the World?

I think now it's just about the most intriguing question of the Festival, as I suspect a lot of people think she'd be good enough to hack up if she does. I'm very much on the fence, so couldn't be backing her at the price with the doubt in my mind. Her keenness the last day is what worries me. The World might not be as deep as the Churdle but it's got some very good horses with bundles of stamina in and she will really be tested. Gun to my head, I think she'll fall in a hole after the last and finish an honourable third before settling better and coming back to get up the hill and win next year's RSA.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 04 Mar 14 12:12
I'm on at 6-1 and will be hitting the pink at odds on in running as there is definitely a doubt.
By:
BarryM
When: 05 Mar 14 00:35
Paddy M is wrong. One of the horses she's beaten (twice) was 4th in last year's champion, beaten just over 7l by an all-out Hurricane Fly. The horse that fell at the last as she disappeared into the distance at Donny wasn't too far behind MTOY in a grade one at Newcastle. And she travelled last time like a 2 miler, and quite a fizzy one at that. She should be in the Champion and would beat Hurricane Fly easily.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 05 Mar 14 01:10
Given the doubts I don't think they'll go a married mans pace and fully expect something like RDS to bounce out and look to grind out the kick of some of the speed horses like Annie. She'll not only have to stay but relish every yard because the true stayers will want her racing for 3 miles.
By:
Steamship
When: 05 Mar 14 08:30
Im surprised to see that she is as short as 2.98 on here against established stayers, she has beat very little in slowly run races and although getting the allowance for being a mare she could also come into season. She makes the prices for other horses for me.
By:
geoff m
When: 05 Mar 14 09:13
Steam:
she has beat very little in slowly run races
Really?

Zarkander (who shes absolutely mullered twice ) can hardly be classed as very little
Annies beaten Zarkander further than The New One & Hurricane Fly 
What more do you want?
By:
Steamship
When: 05 Mar 14 11:17
Well I obviously want bigger than 2-1 for a horse that has beaten 19 rivals in her last 6 runnings.that has never won at the trip, that will go a faster early pace than she has gone before.

You could say she beat Pass The Time by 23 lengths, is that World Hurdle form?
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