Felix Yonger

Yes but he was entered at Punchestown and was withdrawn at the 48 hour stage. Whatever it was that happened to him at Cheltenham could easily be related to him not running at Punchestown. Horse has only had 4 runs so we'll see how he comes back next season over Fences.

CV u said it could easily be related... But it wasn't?? He wasn't injured at all at cheltenham which i explained so why ry to link it, that's why he was entered at punchestown, Mullins was in 2 minds to withdraw him on the morning of Cheltenham. It was a hell of performance from the horse considering his excursions that morning The horse usually makes the running but that race ruby tried his best to make it a slow run race then draw the sting out of them but it didnt work.

It's the mantra of Mullins. He keeps his best horses apart, so Ruby can ride and so he maximises his chances of winning as many races as possible


Then as an owner.....if I had a horse that imo was good enough to win an Arkle,and the trainer said he aint running,then I would say ok,my horses are off to a trainer that does not have his own and his jockeys agendas ahead of mine!!

When you get up in the morning make some breakfast it helps the mind think quicker,you are more alert and decision making becomes much easier,as for training racehorses leave that to those that are qualified to do so

Exactly decalec. Don't come on moaning he should go here or go there, its your pocket talking, u pay your money u take your chance, Willie milullin has forgot more than anyone on this forum knows about horse racing. I doubt he trying to keep his owners happy, if Willie thinks a certain horse has a better chance to win a different race I for one wouldn't slate him, he gets it right good 99% of the time, because if he didn't he wouldn't have the ammunition he has now

Exactly decalec. Don't come on moaning he should go here or go there, its your pocket talking, u pay your money u take your chance, Willie milullin has forgot more than anyone on this forum knows about horse racing. I doubt he trying to keep his owners happy, if Willie thinks a certain horse has a better chance to win a different race I for one wouldn't slate him, he gets it right good 99% of the time, because if he didn't he wouldn't have the ammunition he has now

Trouble is all his form this season backs the 2m option.
That's the point,yes bets make you want something,of course,but at least that is backed up by form.
Those who aint backed him for the Arkle have nothing but a beating over 2and a half,and some form in the Neptune novice hurdle!!


Decalec,Mck30wn
Since when have those that pay the bills not had a say in where their horse runs???????

I'd rather have Walsh on in the JLT than Townend on in the Arkle.

Am not saying they don't have a say but have I seen Wylie come out and state arkle??? Yes his best form is over 2 mile because that's were they have run him but surely Willie Mullins knows more than u regards the horses best chance?? If that's not the case then I recommend u set up your own yard and train horses

Disagree with that. You should always form your own opinion on a horse, even if it differs from the trainers. They're not always right, and in the case of Mullins it's more to do with having a good chance in every race. He's more likely to pick the JLT for Felix because he has Champagne Fever to the Arkle, not because he feels its his best distance.

Thankyou AC.

it does seem my point is not sinking in.

i really hate it when people come out with the  "I recommend u set up your own yard and train horses" line. of coure willie is one of the best trainers ever, doesnt mean he cant get it wrong sometimes.

The thing with this tread is its all pocket talkers, u know what mullins is like, take a horse of his to win any race and sit back hoping it turns up to the festival instead of coming on here moaning about where it should go it makes no sense because u have no input into the destination of the horse

I give up.

nearly all discussions in horse racing has some pocket talk in one way or another. Ive had very little on FY for the arkle, it would be worse for me if CF didnt go arkle actually with the stupid doubles and trebles ive done with him in it!! If willie, ruby and the owners think JLT is best for FY then as you say i cant complain! I think he can definately win the JLT, but hed also have a major chance in the arkle i reckon.

Course it does.
Someone starts a thread about a horse they fancy or have backed,others come on and agree or disagree, and so it starts....the pocket talking,we all do it to a certain degree.

Ive backed FY so I want him in the Arkle and state my case for that,what on earth is wrong there??
His form in the book does not make me look like a pocket talking biased sore loser imo,so my case has credence.

If at the end of the day,a trainer says a horse has more chance in another race and the form imo does not back that up,then why not say you disagree?? If you have something to back you up(form eg) other than the fact you have money involved,i don't see that as simple as pocket talk.

If someone says "oh that's mullins way,he wants to win every race and so does his jockey" is that fair on an owner that WANTS his horse in a different race?? I don't think so. I don't know what Wylie has said,and if he agrees with Mullins then fine...im just saying if he don't and he wants his horse in the Arkle,then he should say so,see what Mullins says,and then act as he sees fit.

the bit ive had on felix is nrfb so hardly pocket talking, I only made my mind up on the bet because mullie said he was his arkle horse, the way mullie keeps changing his mind about this race, I don,t think even he knows what his best chance is, so for the good of the sport let them both take their chance...

Everyone pocket talks to a certain degree,they obviously think that cf will win the arkle,and before any says they didn't even know if cf was gonna run the arkle,it has always been the plan,the morriaty race last week was just a smokescreen !

the morriaty race last week was just a smokescreen

ive heard it all now, men in white coats time

Do you honestly think cf was gonna run in it,2 mile 5 on heavy ground,why does ruby want to ride it in the arkle,why does he want to ride fy in the jlt,because that's the best chance the stable has got to win both,I would rather listen to someone who has had more winners at Cheltenham than anyone rather than an idiot like you !

no significant financial interest in the race but i mind mullins sayin he was an arkle horse, might sound stupid but did the interviewer ask does that mean its the target cant remember if aul willie clarified any further???

Same as that alleged,16/1 nrfb,so not the end of the world,just find another horse to back on the day....should not be difficult.
Could well top up on my main hope Trifolium, been thinking along them lines.
Would be nice to have FY running as well,bur antepost we aint gonna get em all right!!
Just genuinely feel hes earned the right to run and has a real good chance in the Arkle if the grounds decent enough.

Buddeliea wrote Trouble is all his form this season backs the 2m option.
That's the point,yes bets make you want something,of course,but at least that is backed up by form.
Those who aint backed him for the Arkle have nothing but a beating over 2and a half,and some form in the Neptune novice hurdle!!

This could be easily countered by saying his best hurdles form is over two and a half and anyone fancying his Arkle chances is pinning their hopes on a beating of Defy Logic at Punchestown and a race where Trifolium ran well below form having gone way too fast... And those who've backed him for the Jewson have a super run over 2m 5f at the course and a staying on 2nd over 2m 3f this season

You can spin the form to suit both arguments.

Imo, he has very strong form from two miles to two miles five, and is a leading player in either race. If you had two excellent novices who could both easily go over any trip from two to two and a half miles surely you'd want to keep them apart given there are two races in this bracket.

because that's the best chance the stable has got to win both

cuf,
if you were Wylie,and you wanted FY in the Arkle, would you be happy with that from your trainer???

anyone got the remarks from mullie post race about ballycasey being the second string to shut up cufcno1

Its always going to happen though Bud. Any owner is faced with this, and to some degree, you just have to accept it. The trainer will tell you that it makes sense as there isnt much between the two and it would be crazy to be beaten by a stable mate. I remember when we had Catch Me and I was keen on him going for the Supreme. EoG had always been adamant that the Neptune was the right race, and I always felt it was because he had Clopf for the Supreme and wanted a chance in each. But he said there was nothing between them and we didnt want to take him on. They sell it to you very well.

As it happens, Ebizayan won a poor Supreme, we were 3rd in a red hot Neptune, not quite getting home, and to this day, I still regret it as I think we could have won that Supreme

So as it happens, we should have been firmer, but its very hard not be guided by your trainer. If WPM tells Wylie he doesnt think FY can beat CF, what can he do?

Mullins did say Ballycasey was a good 2nd string for the 2m 5f last Sunday.Fenton said all along the plan was the supreme.Now hes changed his mind & going neptune.What Im saying is they all come out with crap

Ballycasey put up an admirable display as deputy for Champagne Fever to take the Dr PJ Moriarty Novice Chase at Leopardstown

Mullins said: "He's not bad for a first reserve.

Mullins also had an update on Champagne Fever, who he said was "fine" and would probably go straight to the Cheltenham Festival next, although he decline to specify a target

is the smoke clearing yet cufcno1

unless wylie has some overwhelming yearning for the arkle and likewise richy rich why would you run them against each other surely you keep them apart both horses have a decent chance in which ever race they run. The best at the time goes arkle im thinkin that is CF , the way i see it and if they both turn up at cheltenham if FY goes Arkle avoid CF in the JLT , JUST A Thought, safe to wait to nearer the day dont think you will lose out to much pricewise now

Yep, I totally see your point mate,and as an owner respect what you say.
Its just this thing about wanting to win both races that gets me.Yes,they want to win both, I get that, but if the owner really wants his horse in the Arkle,then imo he should be allowed that...it is his horse!!
What can he do??
What he wants really as long as hes willing to go with the consequences!!
It just depends how strongly he feels I guess.

Thing is though Moat,imo the formbook has FY in front of CF,and that's basically been my argument all along.
Should FY go Arkle and CF jlt,does that give them less chance of winning both races??....no imo.
CF has winning chase form over 2 and a half,FY has winning chase form over 2m.
Just saying!!

I agree Bud, the owner should always get what they want. But if there is a clear case for both races, which there is here, its easy to be swayed! Us lot on here cant even agree which race would be best! In most cases the trainer will be cute enough to get what he wants.

Yeh,and none cuter than Mullins it seems!!

Just to add, I am not that way inclined

Respect your opinion buddeliea i tend to go with my gut when it comes to this race , good race for me and im a Champagne fella if he turns up , If i was an owner trust me if i had a horse with a chance in the arkle id be sayin run it there even if my trainer said JLT is the best Chance, love this race, the holy trinity of day one, dont mess with that Cheltenhan.Brownes Gazette, Bobs Line and Cima the Mare did me , but if your gonna get beat get beat by a star

this meeting is the pinnacle of the sport we love, and I want to see the best horses race against each other, it really is that simple.....

Budd you keep saying "if the owner wants to go for the Arkle ......." I keep have said a few times that if the owner wants to run FY in the Arkle then he will run in the Arkle. We have never heard Wylie say he wants to run him in the Arkle. If I owned a horse and the trainer told me it had a better chance of winning the JLT then I would run him in it and so would 98% of owners. There seems to be a little bit of anti WM on some of the threads on here. He has about 20 novice hurdlers which could do themselves justice in the novice races and you have people complaining because he doesnt tell us which races they will run in. Do we know where Cue Card, Al ferof, First Lieutenant The Liquidator and/or scores of other horses will run. We dont but I dont hear the same complaints. A few weeks back someone even said re FY "its a pity someone else doesent train him" - I knew I had heard everything when I read that.

Champagne fever wasn't right to run in the Morriaty but can run a week later,they will have been planning to run ballycasey in that race all along so it was hardly a reserve,cf was never going to run in that race on heavy ground ! Graham wylie is a millionaire who will get to see his horse run in whatever race he wants,but if Mullins has told him to go for the jlt then he will probably listen to his trainer,who ain't bad by the way

Exactly arklearkle, people.want the best of everything. The reason Mullins has so many good horses is because he is head and shoulders above every1 else in Ireland as a trainer, I don't have solid facts but could any of these "if I was an owner" brigade tell me.a horse that has left Mullins yard and improved?? If Felix younger isn't the beat 2 mile novice chaser in Mullins yard what chance does he have in the arkle? Am not saying he isn't but surely Mullins Doesnt think he is or he would be going arkle? Isnt that how this game works?

Best 2 mile novice chaser go arkle
Best 2 mile novice hurdlers go supreme... Etc?

With all this whining on about he should be going Here or there or if I was the owner sound a lot of sour grapes to me lads... All the best for the festival

Djakadam will be going for the jlt,so ricci will run c fever in arkle.Ruby said earlier in the year that felix yonger is a grade one horse.Well all his form is over 2m on ok ground.Forget that neptune run,he was beaten a distance.That doesnt come close to his chase form.Who cares if Ruby doesnt ride Felix,I certainly dont.

As for mullins novice hurdlers.He has 2 picked out for the supreme,wicklow brave & vautour.Different owners & no problem running against each other.Hopefully felix gets the chance we all want to see.

Hey McKeown Mullins aint a God by the way , head and shoulders , think your takin it a bit far give the same horses to a few other trainers here in ireland and id say if they didnt do much better they wouldnt be far off, if i had a good horse id stay clear of mullins stable not because he aint top class , id be puntin it and if you tell me id get the same prices if he were with mullins  you are away with the fairies mate

An 11 length beating of Monksland doesn't come close to his chase form?

He ain't a God.but he gets winners no matter where he sends them! All the big festivals he comes away with a fair share of winners, aintree, Cheltenham, punchestown, leapordstown at Xmas... Winning machine mate and he has the best jockey in the land riding for him, so if u had a half decent animal challenging for major honour in a different stable I'd be pretty sure Mullins has 1 better :-) if not he will go get one in France the following year!

I have kept well clear of the Mullins yard as I think there is just too many horses. The best will always get the best attention, and the biggest owners will always get priority (rightly so), so I have always preferred a smaller yard.

he isn't bothered with aintree apart from the national and martell hurdle

Mullins has the money men now and fair play , he will get first shout in the bloodstock market because he has the money behind him, doesnt mean he is head and shoulders above the rest mate he is top class but id say there are a few at least given the same horses would get the same results and at better prices that tells me to be wary of the value and id think twice before backing some of his horses at the prices on offer  unless i was a multi millionaire id be with someone else.

I think you will find that he has won more than any other trainer in UK or Ire this season and that does not include the monies won in Japan and/or France.

swings and roundabouts though aint it mate, a few years ago nicholls earnt more prizemoney than aiden obrien did on the flat , takes some doing that does

Nicky Henderson hasnt had a great start to the season does that mean Mullins is head and shoulders above him, what if oleary stuck all his horses in Meads or Fentons yard do you think Mullins would be head and shoulders above them,if richy rich fell out with willy and moved his horses what then, i would think any less of him but im guessin those winners would be less frequent , id say the man has worked hard has the talent and is reeping the rewards i dont think himself would say he is head and shoulders above his fellow trainers.

alleged
when was that?

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the morriaty race last week was just a smokescreen

ive heard it all now, men in white coats timefor someone who refer's to a trainer and jockey as mullie and walshy (maybe theyre mate's of your's)you have the neck to use the phrase 'men in white coats'

Slabster,I suppose if Simonsig hadnt run in that neptune,he would have been an impressive winner of the race! That neptune run was just average.Simonsig was the grade 1 horse,the rest were nowhere.If I was going on that form,I wouldnt touch him.Hes miles better over fences.

Another example is Sire De Grugy mopping up the grade 1s when Sprinter isnt around.Doesnt mean hes a top notcher,just means hes the best of a very average bunch.

when he had kauto, denman and was mopping up all the Saturday meetings duffy

Most the thing with the money men is Mullins goes to France and buys the horse then sells it to the owner in his yard so he would still have the winners just different owners, u think ricci goes to France and picks the horse he wants and then decides it goes go Willie or Wylie does the same??? 2 examples zaidpour was bought by Mullins then sold to ricci. Black Hercules was owned and bred by Patrick and Emmet, Emmet trained it to wins its p2p then send the DVD to Wylie who liked the horse and bought it.

If them 2 owners didn't buy them horses they would still be in Mullins yard regardless so you point of different trainers same results is irrelevant as Mullins sourced the horses 1st to buy then sell them to owners within his yard.

07/08 season duffy 4 million in prizemoney

jeez, on the face of it, it doesn't sound possible

Alleged champagne fever was never going to run last week,it is going for arkle and always has been,Mullins is a good trainer,but does talk a load of Shiite..just like yourself

ffs Carlisle united number 1 i am just repeating what mr mullins said on a live interview, if you cant get your head round that, that's not my problem ok

If richi and wylie werent in the yard willie would not be spendin the same money also if he didnt have the owners in the yard to buy the top horses he would wave a wand and make the ones he had richer or kick them out and get richer ones, any way if he doesnt have the rich owners he doesnt buy the same TOP horses SIMPLE some else does ITS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY well mainly

duffy i think it was the year kauto won the betfair 1 million bonus.

And I'm saying ballycasey was no reserve,if Mullins told me it was going to get dark tonight I would look out ma curtains !

Moat you talking b@alls mate, Mullins is a millionaire himself he Doesnt nessesarily need the ricci or Wylie, they choose to come.to him!! he came into the game when Meade was champion trainer, he overtook him no 1 can get a look in now AMD its because he has money men?. He sources the horse, some which are not that dear, huriicane fly for example €33000 I think. He has an eye for a horse and its proven hence he champion trainer year after year, and gets winner no matter where he goes as I have stated.

And see the postman,the milkman,the newspaper boy all queuing up to take their turn!

can,t be bothered its like talking to a brick wall, even though a few hundred thousand witnessed the interview on atr, Carlisle knows best

There will be loads of other threads regards mullins & the races he picks for the novice horses.

and there will be the same old names day in day out discussing them on here. You actually wonder whether certain individuals on here have their life savings on certain horses...

Calm down McKeown I know a little more than you think, he may be a millionair but if he doesnt have the owners with deep pockets are you saying he would run and train them himself, wipe your mouth McKeown

Well personally ive mostly punted with the nrfb option and im not a big stakes punter, so not much damage done financially whatever mullins chooses for his horses.
Reason I get involved is cos I enjoy talking about NH racing and the festival in particular, just love it.
I also love seeing as many good races as possible,and will put my point across if I feel I want to and I have a contribution that is worth posting.
I want FY in the Arkle.
I want AP and UDS in the CH.
Those 3 horses have got me most involved as re Mullins horses and the debates surrounding them.
Admittedly I will make money if they were to win, so yes some pocket talk.
But I also honestly feel that the Arkle and the CH will be better spectacles for their respective presence.

Alleged I'm not saying he didn't say it,I'm saying they tell us owt,ballydoylam you spend your life trying to poo poo everyone else's opinions

If i hadnt backed our connor id be rootin for UDS to run, regards annie power either race would be great , taking on the fly or big bucks you want her to run in the stayers otherwise it takes a lot out of the stayers if she doesnt run in the champion it will stillbe one of the most interesting line ups i can think off for quite sometime

Busy day on this thread today.

Hope this helps people realise how Wylie Thinks;



It is not clear cut at this stage which races, Felix Yonger and Briar Hill, also trained by Mullins, will go for at Cheltenham.

"(For) Felix Yonger it's a question of which race he goes into. I know there's big debate going on about whether it's the Arkle or the Jewson," he said.

"I think we should wait and see what the ground is like and what the other entries are like nearer the time.

"I'm excited about Briar Hill. Again we're not sure what race he'll go in. He's entered in all three novice hurdles at Cheltenham. Willie knows all his horses very well and knows what shape they are in. I'm sure he'll pick the right race."

I'm very surprised at those comments

I enjoyed reading someones opinion stating Mullins would still buy the most expensive NH horses on the planet even if he didn't have the top owners behind him.

"I enjoyed reading someones opinion stating Mullins would still buy the most expensive NH horses on the planet even if he didn't have the top owners behind him"


He's such a good judge of a horse he could probably make a good few bob from personal purchase and re-sale. One of the reasons he has big owners is because he can also spot a horse for them.

A lot of trainers go to the sales and purchase horses knowing they can flog them off to their owners.

When you have some of the richest owners in the game on your side you can bid on the top lots.

It's not rocket science.

It has been happening for years and years.

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It's his chasers not jumping, so if yet another of his top chasers fails to cut the mustard, then yes it would make SDC backers nervous, as the pattern is now emerging. Cheltenham has nothing to do with his jumping issues in 2 of his last 3 races. I wouldn't put anyone off backing his, but the consitency isn't there over the bigger obstacles. When it comes to get a chaser preped race in, race out, then i have to say that Mullins isn't up to the standard of Paul Nicholls for example. The Wylie's should have sent Boston Bob to PN. That's my opinion.


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I didn't think that even he could screw up a horse who jumped like SDC did in the Jewson. I genuinely believe that if Mouse Morris or Paul Nicholls trained these horses such as Boston Bob and SDC, that we wouldn't be having this conversation. Can you seriously tell me that you'd be as confident backing a chaser with Mullins as you would with Nicholls or Morris et al ?

But he's such a good judge eh Graeme?

Ballydoyle stated that he backed Faugheen for the 3 miler, then denied it. What he knows about racing can be written on the back of a match box .   

Plus he backs horses he doesn't think will win, and lays losers. As much substance as an empty box.   

Eh?

I HAVE backed Faugheen at 8-1 for the 3 miler. And the Neptune at 11.5. Stated clearly on stevo1s thread, as I have already told you.

(Ballydoyle shakes his head and sighs....AGAIN)

Laying losers isn't the worst crime to be fair Graeme.

Plus he backs horses he doesn't think will win, and lays losers. As much substance as an empty box.

Eh???

Yeah I've backed Silviniaco, Ballycasey, Faugheen, Tent, New One and numerous others cos erm...I think they'll all fall at the first

Graeme - do me a favour mate. Just block me.

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Laying losers isn't the worst crime to be fair Graeme.
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Oh dear Graeme....AGAIN.

Ballydoyle is losing the plot

Are you sure??

As I said...just block me. Laters.

Seeing as you asked nicely.   

So for all the if I owned this horse I would run it.... Brigade bill esdaile is at Mullins yard tweeting for the media morning and confirmed he's going jlt (Jewson)... So knock it on the head and discuss him for this race instead of the arkle wasting your time

Felix Younger goes JLT @billesdaile

Has he been scratched from the Arkle?

guess he must be,some blokes tweeted hes going for JLT.

I shall wait till I hear confirmation reliably.

Wylie:

"(For) Felix Yonger it's a question of which race he goes into. I know there's big debate going on about whether it's the Arkle or the Jewson," he said.

"I think we should wait and see what the ground is like and what the other entries are like nearer the time.


So if this tweet is genuine does Wylie and co know what the grounds like in 3 weeks time???

Well looks like it is genuine looking at the odds on here and oddschecker.

Oh well,as I said before when it looked like JLT for FY, take it on the chin and move on.
Just have to find something else to back with my free bet money.

Great backtrack there Budd... Well done! Lemon

that some bloke was a journo at the press day Budde.

Yeh I gather mate,must confess never heard of him.

the tweet is obviously genuine as a reporter has done it and we all know they are as honest as the day is long

I suppose it all depends which spin cycle mullie is on today

I have no vested interested interest in FY at all. However, WPM will decide which race he will contest, much nearer the time. Believe it when you see him either scratched from one race or confirmed for another!

Only €35 waiting to back him, is that worrying or am I reading to much into a small drift?

It looks bad when you put it like that, but Djakadam is even weaker, so I'd be surprised if Felix doesn't run in the JLT.

Runs in JLT according to Paddy Mullins last night

AT A PREVIEW in dublin last thursday Felix came out as a hugh bet if the going is good/good to soft, Tony martin was of the openion that he was the bet of the festeval, he is 6/1 for the j.l.t.GET ON