Cheltenham Festival
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14 Jan 14
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Really like this fella. Gutsy, stays well, has a touch of class and seems to go on any ground. Stand out novice in Ireland so far for me.
Anybody got any thoughts on which race he will go for? Everything suggests he will stay further but has been kept at 2m so far and as we all know, a Supreme winner will normally need to stay further anyway.
Anybody got any thoughts on which race he will go for? Everything suggests he will stay further but has been kept at 2m so far and as we all know, a Supreme winner will normally need to stay further anyway.
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Tough decision I think, but completely agree about him being the standout novice in Ireland, and to me, he's the best we've seen including the British challengers. My gut instinct is that he'll go for the Neptune and I think he'd be a major player there.
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Owner Barry Connell expects to find out which race The Tullow Tank will run in at Cheltenham after his next outing in the Deloitte Novice Hurdle on February 9 at Leopardstown.
The six-year-old has already won the Royal Bond at Fairyhouse and the Future Champions Novice Hurdle at Leopardstown and will bid for a Grade One hat-trick next month. Philip Fenton's charge has done all his racing under Rules over the minimum distance but will step up to two and a quarter miles for his next race. "He seems to be taking his racing very well and he's going to the Deloitte at Leopardstown on Hennessy day," Connell told At The Races. "He seems to be improving with each run so we're looking forward to taking on whatever Willie (Mullins) throws at us in the next Grade One. "He's not short of pace and you'd imagine a true-run two-mile race would be ideal. It will be interesting to see when he goes up to two and a quarter in the Deloitte, that will tell us a bit more. "At Cheltenham he could go over two or two and a half. "He's probably got a similar style of running to Bobs Worth, you wouldn't notice him in the race but just coming to the last the turbo kicks in and away he goes." The Tullow Tank is a 12/1 chance with the sponsors to take the Sky Bet Supreme Novices' Hurdle in March. |
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I've read from that that the supreme is more likely. Agree he's looked very very good this year and would want to keep him onside whichever race he goes for
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I have backed him for the Neptune but expect him to go Supreme. Decent horse but jockey remains very much unproven. Completely different task steering him round in the Festival opener to 4/5 runner races in Ireland where he has had plenty in hand. Horse bailed him out on his hurdling debut.
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Yeah, I really like him as well and have backed him for the Neptune. I'm amazed at his price considering he is a two time G1 winner this year.
He doesn't appear to travel as sweet as some others though, and on good ground I think he may get slightly outpaced in the Supreme, which is why I think the Neptune would suit better. If he was Mullins/Walsh connections, he'd be less than half the price imo. |
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Punters always forget that the going for Day 1 will be Good to Soft at best. CoC will water the track to make it that way if there is a dry spell.
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If he was trained by Mullins there are certain members on this forum that would be foaming at the mouth. Think certain people on here believe that Mullins will win every novice race at Cheltenham for the next 20 years
 I concur completely with wellchief. Backed him for the Neptune but Supreme not so sure but I remember Al Ferof I had for Neptune thinking the same and he beat my 2 Spirit Son and Sprinter Sacre (25/1  ) up the run in to leave me  |
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I had a little bet on him today to win any race the Billy's at 8/1. Definitely want him onside. If he was trained by Mullins he would be an unbackable price!
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Only been to three festivals but haven't seen a speed horse in the SNH yet. 2011 AF, 2012 C&A (what the hell happened there!) and last year CF.
Fast run 2m in good to soft with the hill at the end seems perfect to me. Will be backing once target his confirmed |
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Good point....If i've hammered him for Neptune I best have a cheeky few pounds on the Supreme as well.
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Was wondering if there were any prices along those lines ff... nice one. Would be very happy with 8/1 in either race so will avail myself of some of that too.
I thought the quotes from BOC suggest Supreme as well. Going to have a bit of VC's NRFB for the Supreme at 12's and any race at 8's. |
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I see no reason to go Neptune route with this horse tbh, other than his breeding. Oscar has done well with his runners in that race down the years, Peddlers, ROR, Oscars Well etc.
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Peddlers Cross Won
Ruby 2nd Oscars would've won if jumped the last Good enough for me |
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His style or racing does suggest he would improve for a step up in trip though, dont you think sint?
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I think it does as he's doing his best work at the finish every time and sometimes takes a few strides to get going. My worry would be him being momentarily tapped for toe in a big field coming down the hill in the Supreme.
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Thats exactly how I see it tom. He might not have the tactical speed for the race and if gets behind in the Supreme its much harder to win, than it is in a 5 runner race in Ireland. Gues they will see what happens in the Deloitte as 2m2f on testing ground should shed some light on his stamina.
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He's won on good ground in Ireland in a Grade 1 over two miles off a slowish pace.A fast run 2 miles on watered ground at Cheltenham should be perfect imo.Definitely should go for the supreme in my opinion.
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There is a 5f difference between the Supreme & the Neptune CCM, quite a big difference particularly for a novice. Being strong at the end of his races is just what you want really and you know nothing will be finishing better.
Bally, it was no foregone conclusion Oscars Well would have won, but he would have placed. |
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Actually, given the subsequent form he has showed and the fact he is quite soft in a finish, i'd be pretty sure ROR & FL would have nailed him at the finish.
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i think he's similar to champagne fever,He wasn't exactly blessed with a turn of foot,But at the business end of the supreme u need a horse that will grind it out and this fellow will certainly do that
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Brave Inca MK II if you ask me.
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It's gonna be the Supreme gents, and what's more he'll win. My advice is to geton the 10s available now before he runs Sunday
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SO WE HAVE A FORTNIGHT THEN
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Not at all sure his forms up to the price he is for both the novice hurdles,horses hes beaten aint up to much.
Not for me at this stage. |
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Can see this swept off its feet in a Supreme to be honest but power home in a Neptune.anyway...no one knows until the Deloitte.just guessing until then
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Very little in Neptune also whereas Supreme will be way more competitive
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Really surprised at these thoughts. To me he's by far and away the standout for the supreme at the moment and I wouldn't back irvine at 20's with someone else's money. Horses who have raced on the flat don't place in the supreme let alone win it.
Bar the hype horses of Vautour and West Wizard I don't see what beats it at the moment |
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Their seems to be a few raving about him,to be honest I look at the formbook and have to wonder why.
Bally, you seem to like him,perhaps you could explain why?? |
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Or you Tory??
Vautours form is full of horses that have won races,i don't see that with TTT.!! |
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Haven't done the form to any great extent but if you haven't go and watch his novice hurdle win. He gets trapped and shows a serious turn of foot to get out and win easily.
Just looked at the market. Already said why I don't like irvine, can't believe josses hill is really up to winning a supreme (if he is then what the hell is Faugheen!!), don't know much about valsuer lido to be honest, zamdy man needs a bog, both Vautour and Tullow tank hold western boy, never even heard of Aklan, first Mohican prob won't run, the liquidator has a serious question to answer now ..... Weak |
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Haven't done the form to any great extent but if you haven't go and watch his novice hurdle win. He gets trapped and shows a serious turn of foot to get out and win easily.
Just looked at the market. Already said why I don't like irvine, can't believe josses hill is really up to winning a supreme (if he is then what the hell is Faugheen!!), don't know much about valsuer lido to be honest, zamdy man needs a bog, both Vautour and Tullow tank hold western boy, never even heard of Aklan, first Mohican prob won't run, the liquidator has a serious question to answer now ..... Weak |
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Sorry about the double post.
Vautour beat Mr Fiftyone by 11 3/4 lengths - TTT beat him by 13 |
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I can't believe people keeping taking the Bumper form of Faugheen and using it as a marker to gauge others horses. A flat race is totally different to a hurdle race. Josses Hill beat Communicator over hurdles the other week, who had previously finished 5th in the November Hamdicap and was 2nd in a class 2 conditions race at Lingfield the other day, but I wouldn't try to equate the form tbh, even if you could argue it is a boost.
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Yeh I have seen his races,he looks ok and I aint ruling him out as such,just not that excited about him as you and a few others seem to be.
I think the race with Vautour and Western Boy shows the best Irish nov form over 2m. Prefer Irving out of all of them so far, but its not a race I would be too confident about picking the winner right now!! |
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Mr Fiftyone was 6th when TTT beat him,not sure that's too reliable in comparing him to finishing 3rd to Vautour.
I would think a horse that finishes 6th would have had the jockey easing off a tad. Still I guess literally it says their aint a lot between them,but it would not be form I would use to work out which is the best out the 2 of them. |
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Buddelia has a fairly valid point about some of TTT'S form not working out but it's hard not to be visually impressed by him and it doesn't look a vintage supreme.
TTT'S defeat of Turnandgo at Naas was very eyecatching and although Turnandgo didn't complete his only start since,there is little doubting he has plenty of ability (you can't directly compare bumper form but he did beat Captain Cutter off levels by 9 lengths at Punchestown).The third horse at Naas-O maonli has subsequently failed to frank the form. TTT's Fairyhouse form has also not really being franked with Renetti (unlucky fell when going to win),arctic fire and Mr.Fiftyone all beaten since. The merit of his leopardstown form is questionable beating King of the Picts (had previously been beaten in moderate contests),Moyle park (not sure if that was his running)and arctic fire. Is TTT still set to clash with Faugheen on February 9th over 2m 2f?? I am not sure what to make of him (but probably prefer to have him onside still) and feel there is a fair chance that he could be outpaced in a supreme on genuinely good ground (probably unlikely on the opening day imo) |
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Budd he's won two Grade Ones for starters.
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Don't get me wrong Budd, I'm not in any way at all raving about him in the same way as I am Faugeen in the Neptune for example. I'm simply at this stage saying that he's probably the best of a non exceptional bunch. I have backed him now for the supreme at 10/1 NRFB simply because I think it's the best value in the race at the moment - how many other dual grade one winners are in the betting? The only two I'm eagerly waiting to see run again are Vautour and west wizard.
Sint - entirely agree that it's not comparing apples for apples however, it is a decent guide to a horse's inherent ability and he didn't just beat him, he smashed him by 22 lengths. |