I believe Sir Tom is putting up one for the Gold Cup on Tuesday. We all know he will not put up anything in single figures so take out Bob, Conti & CC. Will he tip up FL or AF at 12s? Doubtful. He will want a bigger priced selection. I think he will be tipping either Dynaste at 33s or Lord Windermere & Triolo DAlene at 40s. Thoughts?
Does anyone think it could be Lyreen Legend? Was still looking good 2/3f from home in the Lexus and appeared to be in process of running a big race before blowing up in what was his seasonal reappearance. Ran well in RSA last year so know acts on the course and should come on loads for that run. If he was to put in a winning performance in the Hennessy then the 50s on offer now will look big.
Does anyone think it could be Lyreen Legend? Was still looking good 2/3f from home in the Lexus and appeared to be in process of running a big race before blowing up in what was his seasonal reappearance. Ran well in RSA last year so know acts on the
its still more open than it appears on paper inmo,bobs worth is a worthy fav ,but think he is not easy to keep right ,had a few niggling probs the last few seasons and hendos body language a few weeks ago suggested he is still quite fragile. worse bets than triolo at the prices and im talking my self into going in on him e.way nrnb.
its still more open than it appears on paper inmo,bobs worth is a worthy fav ,but think he is not easy to keep right ,had a few niggling probs the last few seasons and hendos body language a few weeks ago suggested he is still quite fragile. worse be
Triolo has won a recognised GC trial, he is young, progressive, and a thorough stayer, likes a decent surface he has plenty going for him, needs to improve but no reason why he can't. Only neg is course form, but at 40/1 NRNB it's worth a pop.
Triolo has won a recognised GC trial, he is young, progressive, and a thorough stayer, likes a decent surface he has plenty going for him, needs to improve but no reason why he can't. Only neg is course form, but at 40/1 NRNB it's worth a pop.
As has already been suggested, Triolo D'alene and Lyreen Legend are strong possibilities. Dynaste, Rocky Creek and Al Ferof are the others. I reckon he will pick Triolo D'Alene, but Al Ferof could be a big price NRNB if he won the Denman Chase.
As has already been suggested, Triolo D'alene and Lyreen Legend are strong possibilities. Dynaste, Rocky Creek and Al Ferof are the others. I reckon he will pick Triolo D'Alene, but Al Ferof could be a big price NRNB if he won the Denman Chase.
lol synchranised ive just had to remind myself what he beat TGB knockara beau burton port, time for Rupert and long run
personaly I think trilo has masses to find to even think of lining up..
lol synchranised ive just had to remind myself what he beat TGB knockara beau burton port, time for Rupert and long runpersonaly I think trilo has masses to find to even think of lining up..
Rocky Creek beats him at the weights....strictly. So if its Triolo,then maybe its Rocky creek. Personally think if he picks either of them hes worse than I thought he was!!
Rocky Creek beats him at the weights....strictly.So if its Triolo,then maybe its Rocky creek.Personally think if he picks either of them hes worse than I thought he was!!
Triolo looks more of a National type so maybe the one he beat: Rocky Creek 33/1 though I guess that is slightly a punt on the weather so a repeat of last year's rain would not go amiss.
Paul Nicholls says on Betfair: "Hennessy runner-up Rocky Creek is fine after his little setback after Newbury and goes for the Argento at Cheltenham on January 25, and he will get an entry for the Gold Cup as well as the Grand National." http://betting.betfair.com/horse-racing/paul-nicholls/paul-nicholls-exclusive-my-running-plans-for-2014-030114-9.html
@almera may be right about Lyreen Legend, especially as Sir Tom does like to look across the Irish Sea.
Triolo looks more of a National type so maybe the one he beat: Rocky Creek 33/1 though I guess that is slightly a punt on the weather so a repeat of last year's rain would not go amiss.Paul Nicholls says on Betfair: "Hennessy runner-up Rocky Creek is
Personally I think there are better ante post players on here than this "Sir" Tom. But each to their own. If he picks a couple of those mentioned above then good luck with that
Personally I think there are better ante post players on here than this "Sir" Tom. But each to their own. If he picks a couple of those mentioned above then good luck with that
Strictly on value grounds, Cue Card at 8/1 is big if you take the view Kempton is not his track.
8/1 may be too short, this far out, for Pricewise ante-post but I'd expect him to be the selection if prices are unchanged on Gold Cup day.
Strictly on value grounds, Cue Card at 8/1 is big if you take the view Kempton is not his track.8/1 may be too short, this far out, for Pricewise ante-post but I'd expect him to be the selection if prices are unchanged on Gold Cup day.
Most of his ante-posts last season were non hopers or non runners, if i remember correctly. If second guessing First Lieutenant only logical choice without top 3 in market.
Most of his ante-posts last season were non hopers or non runners, if i remember correctly. If second guessing First Lieutenant only logical choice without top 3 in market.
You can understand why people get p*ssed off with Price wise, around 9 different horse being shortened by various bookies in preparation of his selection.
You can understand why people get p*ssed off with Price wise, around 9 different horse being shortened by various bookies in preparation of his selection.
The RP is funded by bookmakers. They scratch each others back. All they have to do is ask the RP who it is, but the mock suspense is free adverts for both of the pricks.
The RP is funded by bookmakers. They scratch each others back. All they have to do is ask the RP who it is, but the mock suspense is free adverts for both of the pricks.
Katenko is one not mentioned, hopefully would only run on soft, on a NRNB basis 50-1 looks value. I'm on that, Rocky Creek and last Instalment all non runner no bet all at 50's
Katenko is one not mentioned, hopefully would only run on soft,on a NRNB basis 50-1 looks value. I'm on that, Rocky Creek and last Instalmentall non runner no bet all at 50's
Will hardly be Rubi Ball,He's as exposed as they come,wont be good enough, Also doubt it will be FL as he was blatantly outstayed in the lexus over a shorter distance than the GC, Reckon it will be Rocky Creek or Trilo D'alene
Will hardly be Rubi Ball,He's as exposed as they come,wont be good enough,Also doubt it will be FL as he was blatantly outstayed in the lexus over a shorter distance than the GC,Reckon it will be Rocky Creek or Trilo D'alene
I did say there was no blue for this horse but it would be the pricewise hope it was helpful for some of you.
trouble is already layed it to my max so its the worst loser in my book
I did say there was no blue for this horse but it would be the pricewise hope it was helpful for some of you.trouble is already layed it to my max so its the worst loser in my book
Ballydoyle 12 Jan 14 21:07 No brainer who he should pick at this stage
First Lieutenant or Al Ferof are the only value left in race at present
Yep but I thought he would pick FL,as hes more likely to line up imo.
Well done Ronnie, you knew mate.
Ballydoyle 12 Jan 14 21:07 No brainer who he should pick at this stageFirst Lieutenant or Al Ferof are the only value left in race at present Yep but I thought he would pick FL,as hes more likely to line up imo.Well done Ronnie, you knew mate.
Glad ive already backed him ages ago. Hes a horse I like a lot as most on here know,but 12/1??? he should only be that price if he runs a big race at Newbury.
Glad ive already backed him ages ago.Hes a horse I like a lot as most on here know,but 12/1??? he should only be that price if he runs a big race at Newbury.
This is the correct selection, but only with NRNB. It's a bit of a nuisance, as I was planning to back Al Ferof NRNB, but forgot to do it prior to this announcement, so will have to try get on in the morning.
This is the correct selection, but only with NRNB. It's a bit of a nuisance, as I was planning to back Al Ferof NRNB, but forgot to do it prior to this announcement, so will have to try get on in the morning.
I admit I was wrong when I argued 2 yrs ago that arkle was best choice (pocket talking) when he should have gone Jewson.
it will defo be GC this year
no way will Ryanair suit it better..I admit I was wrong when I argued 2 yrs ago that arkle was best choice (pocket talking) when he should have gone Jewson.it will defo be GC this year
I did tell you all on the 8th Jan that Al Ferof would go for the Gold Cup and that I thought Pricewise would pick him. Its just on the other thread called Gold Cup. Hope you got on before the price collapsed
I did tell you all on the 8th Jan that Al Ferof would go for the Gold Cup and that I thought Pricewise would pick him. Its just on the other thread called Gold Cup. Hope you got on before the price collapsed
Erm he hasn't been confirmed for the Gold Cup yet though. he is running in the Denman to see whether he runs in the Ryanair or the Gold Cup. stable has the 2nd fav for Gold Cup and nothing for Ryanair which he is holding still at around 7s.
Erm he hasn't been confirmed for the Gold Cup yet though. he is running in the Denman to see whether he runs in the Ryanair or the Gold Cup. stable has the 2nd fav for Gold Cup and nothing for Ryanair which he is holding still at around 7s.
too early to say bally only 1 attempt at 3 miles in a grade 1 against fully fit rivals, then theres the bounce factor, the denman will tell us where he,s heading, 16,s could look very big or very small after that race..
too early to say bally only 1 attempt at 3 miles in a grade 1 against fully fit rivals, then theres the bounce factor, the denman will tell us where he,s heading, 16,s could look very big or very small after that race..
Pricewise is about finding the best value in a race. I haven't seen the Racing Post today, so apologies if I've got this wrong and he has suggested using the NRNB, but surely 14/1 NRNB is far better value than 16/1 with antepost rules. I'd argue that two months before a race, with the potential for injury, they are fairly closely matched valuewise. But when the horse has three entries for the festival, and is yet to win over further than 2m5f, taking the shorter price with the safety net is clearly far better value.
Pricewise is about finding the best value in a race. I haven't seen the Racing Post today, so apologies if I've got this wrong and he has suggested using the NRNB, but surely 14/1 NRNB is far better value than 16/1 with antepost rules. I'd argue that
ACS I agree with you on the NRNB part but surely tipping horses that are at best 'unlikely' to run in a race is no value. Check out his tips for the big races at last years chelt festival CH Cottom Mill did not run Champ Chase Wishful Thinking did not run World Hurdle Sorry cant remember but did not run Gold Cup Captain Chris did not run Add to that Grand National Tidal Bay did not run. Looks like a pattern forming to me!! Surely him putting up a horse that is really likely to run in the race would give his army of followers ( as you will see im not one ) a bit of interest. Im sure if he'd put up say Hurricane fly when 6/1 or Bob Worth at 6/1 a couple of weeks early would represent much better value???
ACS I agree with you on the NRNB part but surely tipping horses that are at best 'unlikely' to run in a race is no value. Check out his tips for the big races at last years chelt festivalCH Cottom Mill did not runChamp Chase Wishful Thinking did not
Should have went for First Lieutenant IMO as guaranteed starter barring injury, better chance and similar odds
Annie Power another put up eh? More likely to go in World.
Should have went for First Lieutenant IMO as guaranteed starter barring injury, better chance and similar oddsAnnie Power another put up eh? More likely to go in World.
You forgot last years King George jokewise put up Sizing Europe that did not run. Tidal Bay got injured like his Welsh national tip Le Beau Bai which is bad luck really.
You forgot last years King George jokewise put up Sizing Europe that did not run.Tidal Bay got injured like his Welsh national tip Le Beau Bai which is bad luck really.
They probably sell or hope to sell extra copies. TS obviously a good tipster but all these NRs in the big races tell us whats important. Cant think of any other reason.
They probably sell or hope to sell extra copies. TS obviously a good tipster but all these NRs in the big races tell us whats important. Cant think of any other reason.
Yeah 25l behind Sprinter Sacre. I mean let's be honest even Forrest Gump wouldn't be stupid enough to bet Wishfull Thinking to beat Sprinter Sacre last year.
Yeah 25l behind Sprinter Sacre. I mean let's be honest even Forrest Gump wouldn't be stupid enough to bet Wishfull Thinking to beat Sprinter Sacre last year.
Ballydoyle he went for Williams Wishes in the Queen Mum it was a non runner
Segals National tip in National was Cappa Bleu e/w 25-1 finished 2nd.
Any Ante Post losers were well paid for by Ruler Of The World 33-1 for The Derby
Its alright having a go at the guy but get the facts right to start with
Ballydoyle he went for Williams Wishes in the Queen Mum it was a non runnerSegals National tip in National was Cappa Bleu e/w 25-1 finished 2nd.Any Ante Post losers were well paid for by Ruler Of The World 33-1 for The DerbyIts alright having a go at
Steady now Tom...i keep no record of what this guy picks cos I'm not that interested. I wouldn't even know but poster above said Wishful Thinking. So he tipped Williams Wishes?jeezo Williams Wishes to beat Sprinter Sacre???
Steady now Tom...i keep no record of what this guy picks cos I'm not that interested. I wouldn't even know but poster above said Wishful Thinking. So he tipped Williams Wishes?jeezo Williams Wishes to beat Sprinter Sacre???
Sorry steam You are correct it was Williams wishes. His first AP GN tip was Tidal Bay though he might have tipped Cappa Bleu nearer the race. My point is that alot of his AP tips dont give you a run for your money, I take your point about the derby but im not really a flat player.
Sorry steamYou are correct it was Williams wishes.His first AP GN tip was Tidal Bay though he might have tipped Cappa Bleu nearer the race.My point is that alot of his AP tips dont give you a run for your money, I take your point about the derby but
robbo you dont have o apologise to me if he went for Tidal Bay then he got injured.
I don't keep records of his tips but they are on Tipsterform. His record for the year 2013 is 47pts up at Betfair sp. I see these posters knocking him and that they dont follow him yet they are throwing away profit most years and with no travel, most days you dont need to buy the paper.
robbo you dont have o apologise to me if he went for Tidal Bay then he got injured. I don't keep records of his tips but they are on Tipsterform. His record for the year 2013 is 47pts up at Betfair sp. I see these posters knocking him and that they d
As for Williiams Wishes to win the Queen Mum then yes it does seem a stupid bet, similar to Newmill winning the same race in 2006 which included Moscow Flyer and Kauto Star. Imperial Commander winning the Gold Cup that had Kauto Star and Denman how ridiculous
As for Williiams Wishes to win the Queen Mum then yes it does seem a stupid bet, similar to Newmill winning the same race in 2006 which included Moscow Flyer and Kauto Star. Imperial Commander winning the Gold Cup that had Kauto Star and Denman how r
Not a pricewise follower at all, Much prefer to live or die by my judgement, and I think its a big part of the fun trying to pick winners. Whether we follow him or not, we will still have winners and losers. Those that do follow him,that's up to them. Personally think hes a pain in the backside when a horse I want to back suddenly goes a lot shorter, but at the same time he obviously helps people to get a nice priced winner. Take it or leave it, accept it and get on with it imo. He has a place in this game.
Not a pricewise follower at all, Much prefer to live or die by my judgement, and I think its a big part of the fun trying to pick winners.Whether we follow him or not, we will still have winners and losers.Those that do follow him,that's up to them.P
Yes, but he now seems to have a cut-off point of at least 10/1 for all ante post recommendations which, in this case, only two months before the race, compromises his selections. I thought today's reasoning was poor and very woolly. (Al Ferof won the Paddy Power off only a slightly lower mark than Long Run was beaten off the year before he won the Gold Cup, therefore he stands a chance is flabby thinking to put it at its mildest). Looked to be a case of "lets find a price then construct an argument" on this occasion and doesn't seem to have his heart in this selection at all. The far better approach would have been "no bet, folks, I can't see any value" but that doesn't sell papers.
Yes, but he now seems to have a cut-off point of at least 10/1 for all ante post recommendations which, in this case, only two months before the race, compromises his selections. I thought today's reasoning was poor and very woolly. (Al Ferof won the
The problem with Pricewise antepost is that three or four horses get shortened the night before as punters (and forumites) try to anticipate the great man.
The problem with Pricewise antepost is that three or four horses get shortened the night before as punters (and forumites) try to anticipate the great man.
Williams Wishes had fooking no chance in a Champion Chase and those who backed it were simply stoopid
Go make your own opinions. Not interested in Sir Tom crap
Ok steamship...I'll put it this way.....Williams Wishes had fooking no chance in a Champion Chase and those who backed it were simply stoopidGo make your own opinions. Not interested in Sir Tom crap
Cos I find it quite sad how people get so excited when he tips something. His record simply isn't that good to be awarded all the coverage.
Nothing against the guy, it's not his fault but why is he at the Racing Post? Whats the point of having him? 47 points to betfair SP I read. So given it's mainly weekends that's 1 point per weekend yeah? An even money shot every Saturday at SP?
Imperial Commander you say? Standout bet if you knew anything about racing. Newmill was good though. No doubt but that was what?2006?
Can't defend a selection like Williams Wishes to beat Sprinter Sacre. No way and the bookies would've loved that let me tell you
Cos I find it quite sad how people get so excited when he tips something. His record simply isn't that good to be awarded all the coverage. Nothing against the guy, it's not his fault but why is he at the Racing Post? Whats the point of having him? 4
I think you need to put into perspective the mans job. He gets a certain window to give a VALUED tip on a race. He may not have an opinion on the race but still is contracted to give a tip. He showed a 40+ pt profit last year. His followers are generally £10 punters so a £400+ profit to them must be good news.
Bally you say you're a pro punter so you understand value. You've had 4/5 pints on races at chelt. Not because they will win but gives you a value edge.
Tom gets one tip at a certain date. Not an easy job.
I think you need to put into perspective the mans job. He gets a certain window to give a VALUED tip on a race. He may not have an opinion on the race but still is contracted to give a tip. He showed a 40+ pt profit last year. His followers are gener
the value has to be with mouse s horse ,been beaten 3 times by bobs but never been beaten far , has the class to win and its a horse race and anything can happen and 1 of these days he is going to turn it around with bobs ! a very consistent horse and available at a double figga price on here around 16 at the time of posting looks to have been targeted for this race jumps travels and as long as its not bottomless he has a very good each way chance imo, runs tomorrow so I will have to get on before !
the value has to be with mouse s horse ,been beaten 3 times by bobs but never been beaten far , has the class to win and its a horse race and anything can happen and 1 of these days he is going to turn it around with bobs ! a very consistent horse an
Racing Post @RacingPost 45m Al Ferof is out of Gold Cup. Paul Nicholls says: "He'll run in the Ryanair, but the Queen Mother is an option if it's really testing."
Racing Post @RacingPost 45mAl Ferof is out of Gold Cup. Paul Nicholls says: "He'll run in the Ryanair, but the Queen Mother is an option if it's really testing."
Good move to run Alf in the Ryanair, he should nearly win that.
Still time for him to come back next year and have a go at the Gold Cup, similar profile to Imperial Commander.
Might have been different without the year off.
Good move to run Alf in the Ryanair, he should nearly win that.Still time for him to come back next year and have a go at the Gold Cup, similar profile to Imperial Commander.Might have been different without the year off.
Ground both times Rease,but Kempton he was beat after 2 fences!! Then ran on like a stayer at the end.Had that been 2 and a half Cue Card would have beat him a lot more than he did!!! They have judged him on 2 runs on soft,the last one on desperate ground. Would not have won either race over 2 and a halfm. Its more the ground than the distance imo.
Given decent ground and as long as he aint suffering any effects from that on Saturday,he should run a good race back at the course which imo suits him perfectly.
Ground both times Rease,but Kempton he was beat after 2 fences!! Then ran on like a stayer at the end.Had that been 2 and a half Cue Card would have beat him a lot more than he did!!!They have judged him on 2 runs on soft,the last one on desperate gr
Al Ferof should go front run in Champion Chase if S Sacre doesn't turn up...and I don't think he will turn up. I've got him for Ryanair but horse just doesn't look as if he can finish off over longer trips now then you see him in at Ascot FTO over 2m 3f and think the QM is not a bad shout at 20/1 ew
Al Ferof should go front run in Champion Chase if S Sacre doesn't turn up...and I don't think he will turn up. I've got him for Ryanair but horse just doesn't look as if he can finish off over longer trips now then you see him in at Ascot FTO over 2m