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By:
dj876
When: 11 Jan 14 20:46
Annie Power doesn't hurdle quick enough to be even competitive in this years race and unless it'a soft she'll be badly outpaced,should be running in the mares hurdle this year but that won't happen.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 11 Jan 14 21:12
This could just be a 2m 4f horse and Aintree Hurdle type.
By:
callitasucit
When: 11 Jan 14 23:27
Annie Power has no chance of running in, and less chance of winning, the CH. She doesn't jump well enough, or possess the speed to trouble the 2m specialists.
Ricci may say that she may go there, and indeed he may at the moment believe that she might. She wont. Ruby and Willie are two of the best talkers and 'persuaders' in the business.
Ruby certainly doesn't want her running in the Champion, WPM to a lesser extent, also doesn't want her there.
Both certainly don't want her in the Mares, Its already a penalty kick winner for Ruby, why waste another bullet, and potentially two. WPM loves the record books, and loves his name in them even more. She wont take on Quevega.
World Hurdle it is, unless Quevega misses the gig. Which she wont!!
By:
Ramruma
When: 12 Jan 14 06:26
The mares race is out, not just because of Quevega but because it is worth only 10 per cent of the Champion Hurdle. As punters and racing fans we often forget about the prize money but the owner made his fortune in banking so presumably knows the value of a pound note.

The interview Mr Eboue posted is interesting, especially where Ricci talks about having deferred novice chasing, as that did seem the obvious next step. Even more so when he confirms the main aim was the Champion Hurdle.

@irishone -- Annie Power will run again "somewhere" , she's improving , loves going to England. .... Willie 11/01/14

With the obvious provisos about Willie Mullins changing his mind, this implies Annie Power's next race will be in England rather than the Irish Champion Hurdle.

Regarding the World Hurdle, Mullins now has Boston Bob (won on New Year's Eve, owned by the Wylies) at around 8/1 for this race, and the owners have Zaidpour (also trained by Mullins). None of this rules out Annie Power running in the longer race but shows that arguments based on, "Willie and Ruby have the Fly for the Champion," are not compelling.
By:
callitasucit
When: 12 Jan 14 07:21
Yeah, but Hurricane will probably line up as favourite. Zaidpour has no chance in WH, and unless its a bog, Boston Bob wont have much hope either. So much more likely to run AP there. Plus, when selling it to Ricci, he can have Ruby aboard in WH.
By:
Forty
When: 12 Jan 14 07:28
Ramruna - I look at it a different way. Money is not important as he is "loaded", winning is what counts. Totally agree that it is the least prestigious race (mares) but it's Cheltenham and a winner is remembered longer than a near miss in either the CH or stayers

Forty
By:
Forty
When: 12 Jan 14 07:30
Hasten to add I do not disagree with you that it's the least likely race she will run in. But if he doesn't believe she can win one of the others she will run in the mares.

Forty
By:
buddeliea
When: 12 Jan 14 07:41
Yeah, but Hurricane will probably line up as favourite. Zaidpour has no chance in WH, and unless its a bog, Boston Bob wont have much hope either. So much more likely to run AP there. Plus, when selling it to Ricci, he can have Ruby aboard in WH.


Was just about to say the same thing!

cheers callit Laugh
By:
Ramruma
When: 12 Jan 14 08:49
@callitasucit -- I am not saying Annie Power will definitely run in the Champion Hurdle but that it seems every bit as likely as the World Hurdle. Much the same arguments can be deployed for either race.

Mullins has other runners for both races, though Ricci only for the World.

There is a hot favourite in each race. No, there is not. Hurricane Fly is not even clear favourite and can be backed at 100/30 in two places; Big Bucks varies from 6/4 to 5/2. And Boston Bob would be third in without AP, so hardly a forlorn hope.
By:
pedrobob
When: 12 Jan 14 09:11
the Irish Champion has the same entries as the Ryannair at Christmas plus Annie Power and Un De Sceaux.

They went slow in the Ryannair Hurdle, presumably they will do so again unless UDS runs? What will they learn by running Annie Power in the Irish Chanmpion as far running in the Cheltenham 2m championship is concerned?
By:
callitasucit
When: 12 Jan 14 10:05
I didn't say anything about 'hot favourites'?? I said Hurricane will probably line up as fav. He probably will. Unless it is soft or worse, BB will be double figures.
Running AP in the WH obviously gives WPM more chance of winning the two races, gives Ricci more chance of a winner, and gives Ruby a better chance of two winners whilst eliminating the chance of being on the wrong one in the CH. So same arguments cannot be deployed for both races.
By:
Ramruma
When: 12 Jan 14 10:27
Boston Bob varies from 8 to 10/1 now, and that is with Annie Power and Big Buck's both running.
By:
eastayrshire
When: 12 Jan 14 10:39
Ruby certainly doesn't want her running in the Champion, WPM to a lesser extent, also doesn't want her there.
Both certainly don't want her in the Mares


I`m not being funny but do we KNOWthis to be true?
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 12 Jan 14 11:42
Something which hasn't been brought into the discussion here is that as things stand Annie Power appears to be at her best at two and a half. She may get three miles. She may be quick enough for two but as of now the ideal race for her to run in purely based on performance appears to be the mares. Going on from that there are several horses who have been quite adept at two and a half which have won the champion and some who were arguably the best two miler in the race who didn't quite get home. There are also examples of the best two and a half miler not quite lasting home in the world hurdle.

She's never run over three. She's won at between two and two and a half but she hasn't even yet won a two and a half at championship race pace. If they think she's a three miler why haven't they yet tried the distance?
By:
callitasucit
When: 12 Jan 14 12:22
I would say, without doubt the Mares Hurdle trip would be her optimum at the moment. But I cant see WPM taking on and hence probably beating Quevega. Of course we don't Know this to be true. That would make it too easy!!
By:
wellchief
When: 12 Jan 14 12:25
Can't believe the number of people completely dismissing her for the Champion Hurdle.  I've backed her in both races, but she has a massive chance in the Champion, and if she is to turn up, she will be there on merit.

She may not be the most fluent of hurdlers, but she has such a huge engine, and travels so sweetly.  The same people who critisize Annie Power's hurdling are probably the same ones who have backed The New One!

Also, the faster they go, she'll probably hurdle better (like Simonsig), so a fast run 2m with a stiff finish would be perfect for her imo.
By:
wellchief
When: 12 Jan 14 12:26
Also, the massive weight allowance in the Champion and World Hurdles she will get has to be taken into consideration.
By:
mushroom23
When: 12 Jan 14 12:30
Looks like UDC is CH bound so no chance of Annie lining up in the 2miler
By:
ACStafford
When: 12 Jan 14 12:32
I think you're right there Eeternal. 2 1/2 milers are usually better going for the Champion, especially with that uphill finish. I've been looking at her possible participation from the perspective of Mullins' other runners and the fact that the Champion looks a lot stronger than the World. If these matters were ignored, I'd definitely favour the shorter trip, seeing as though she's not even attempted the longer trip. Screw the Mares; I wouldn't consider it if she were mine, even if there was no Quevega. I'd want to know if she could win a proper race first.

Basically, if I owned her, I wouldn't be able to resist having a go at the Champion. If all three of the Mullins hopefully ran in it, what a race it would be.
By:
ACStafford
When: 12 Jan 14 12:45
The Mullins hopefuls that should say.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 14 Jan 14 13:17
I come back to my earlier assertion. If she were mine and she were fast enough to go close in the Irish Champion she'd run in the champion. If she can't go with the main protagonists only then would I take a chance and go the longer route. I also wouldn't bother with the mares race. No way would I go to Cheltenham without finding out if she has the credentials for either of the two big races which will probably be the case if they don't try her over 2 miles in the Irish Champion.
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 14 Jan 14 13:45
Personally feel it's unlikely she runs in the Irish Champion and ultimately I think she runs in the World Hurdle now Ruby has said no to big bucks ride. I don't for a minute think that she would be easily dismissed, in fact I think she would run very well in the Irish Champion, just the lack of RW on board, and WM usually running two premier horses against each other would suggest to me she will be pulled. Obviously I do think they should run SDC as he is certain (it seems) to go to the CH in March. I say this having not backed her in either race or for that matter the mares which I think she would win.
By:
tomdeane
When: 14 Jan 14 13:55
I wonder how long Willie can keep so many big owners happy.

Having read the comments from Ricci about keeping Annie over hurdles because they were hoping she'd go to the Champion in March, you can't help but think there's only so much he can take. I wouldn't be surprised if he (and/or other big owners) start sending their horses elsewhere as Mullins has too many top-notchers to please everyone.

Agree with the posts above. I think she will miss the Irish Champion but that would be a shocking decision. Rarely in racing is a situation presented that literally offers the perfect test of a horse's credentials when connections are split between options. It's so simple, as has been said above. Running in the Irish Champion would tell them which way they should go. Skipping it won't help them at all. They'll still be scratching their heads in the run-up to Cheltenham and it'll be a case of who wins the behind-the-scenes tug of war.

Another talking point: What happens if they skip the Irish Champion and then Hurricane Fly gets beaten?
By:
DECALEC
When: 14 Jan 14 14:32
Another talking point: What happens if they skip the Irish Champion and then Hurricane Fly gets beaten? WELL IT GETS BEATEN SH IT HAPPENS....AND IF IT IS THE CASE IT DOSENT MEAN THE MARE WOULD OF BEAT WHATEVER HAD BEATEN HF.....THEN MAYBE WM WOULD BE OF THE OPINION NO POINT IN RUNNING THE MARE IN CH...THIS ONLY AN ANSWER TO THE TALKING POINT SO NO OFFENCE TAMGrin
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 14 Jan 14 15:22
@Tomdeane, I have been wondering this for a while, how long will the Barclays Mafia continue to allow their stable stars to play second fiddle. Obviously RR has spent something like £5-10m on his stock yet wants to rival JPM yet they still seem to be second best in the yard. Maybe they will bide their time knowing they have the majority of the firepower going forward and that they will dominate WM stock for the foreseeable.
By:
alleged22
When: 14 Jan 14 19:52
Barclays mafia love that comment LaughLaugh

lets face it the ego will soon move on when he,s had his fill, the flat should be more his cup of tea...
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 14 Jan 14 21:25
Tell him to take those ****g shades off especially when it's raining****
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 14 Jan 14 23:03
If they're going the 3 mile route wouldn't logic suggest trying the distance beforehand? They like coming to England. There's a 3 mile grade 2 mares race worth quite a bit of money this Saturday at Ascot I think. Relatively easy introduction to the distance. Annie Power not entered.
By:
ACStafford
When: 15 Jan 14 13:01
That's spot on Eeternal. Why wouldn't you have a go at the distance beforehand if you were aiming at the World Hurdle. You've won me round; I think they're planning to run her in the Champion now.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 15 Jan 14 13:52
Don't back her for the champion and blame me if she blows them away in the world hurdle. Laugh
By:
tomdeane
When: 15 Jan 14 14:36
I agree in principle, but doesn't this work both ways?

If they want to see whether they had the pace to beat the biggest and best boys over 2m, why wouldn't she run in the Irish Champion? That to me would be an indication that they're more likely to go for the World...
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 15 Jan 14 14:59
So Ruby has not backed Big Bucks for Boston Bob yes?
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 15 Jan 14 14:59
Not backed lol

Knocked back I meant
By:
ACStafford
When: 15 Jan 14 15:42
Don't worry; I won't be backing her for the Champion Hurdle unless she's a big price on the day. None of it makes any sense to be honest. Maybe the Ruby-Nicholls relationship is beyond repair, maybe there's no fixed plan yet and Ruby is working on the assumption that he can convince Ricci and Mullins to run her in the World.
By:
Just So
When: 15 Jan 14 16:24
would it be far-fetched to suggest that Ruby passed over Big Bucks out of professional courtesy? assuming, of course, he is WPM's bona fide stable jockey and not the 'main jockey' or whatever label Nicholls came up with for Daryl in his weekend tract.
By:
buddeliea
When: 15 Jan 14 16:54
Think they know pretty much about whether AP will stay 3m.
We can see just by watching her that shes got a bl00dy good chance of staying, I would think they know more than us!!
I don't think they need to see her over 3m, and if I was a backer I would not be that bothered to be honest.
Well I am a backer as suchLaugh, but I have her at far better odds for the CH, and I really can only see her in that race if its soft ground at least.
By:
Ballydoyle
When: 15 Jan 14 17:09
You can bet yer arse that Walsh has told em she's a World Hurdle horse and he wants to ride her
By:
Autocue
When: 15 Jan 14 17:46
Just So, my guess is Nicholls was well hacked off when Ruby moved on and told him what he could do with the Big Buck's ride. Seems odd to me that Ruby is getting no outside rides when he comes over.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 15 Jan 14 18:59
The world's full of trainers and jockeys who tried to turn horses into something they weren't and being convinced they were. Oscar Whiskey being a world hurdler one of the recent ones springs to mind. Twice. Never running over 3 miles and hoping for the best in the toughest three mile race of the season isn't my idea of a plan of action. I'm sure the leader of the light brigade would have approved though. Laugh
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 15 Jan 14 21:35
Everything I hear about Nicholls suggests to me he is not a nice guy at all, I wonder whether PN had some pleasantries for Rubi when he left. After her race at Cheltenham he was enthusing about her staying power and I have no doubt he thinks she will stay. I would imagine he might say to old Richy Rich, help me help you. I think we can get BB beaten. They know that RW could be the difference between 1st and 2nd and that he loves the Hurricane two much to ever get off. To me its a no brainer, you have so few horses to beat in the World maybe only one. In the champion she will have to run the race of her life and could still finish 4th. But they may see the bright lights of the CH and pursue regardless. Im sure he will be wearing his shades as the rain pours down regardless Cool
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