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By:
timtin
When: 12 Oct 15 17:14
I can see how Mullins obsession to win many races will send Djakadam to Ryanair.. but that obsession could have also left Arctic Fire for CH and brought Faugheen for JLT or RSA and in case he will not have had won the GC this season with Vautour then he had a backup plan for next season. If Vautour proves good enough to win the GC then Faugheen would've simply reversed to hurdles, if not Faugheen would've target the next season GC.

This way as a trainer he would've covered all the options and keeping Faugheen hurdling you won't be able to send him novice chasing next year as he'll be 8-9 yo and if you don't win the GC with the chase talent that you currently have then you'll never win it so having a backup plan in Faugheen made alot of sense and would provide the sport with great publicity outside the regular fans.

Anyways, Snowed In for the next at Sedgefield ? Happy
By:
timtin
When: 12 Oct 15 17:21
haha Snowed In withdrawn just before the start just like Faugheen from novice chasing .. Whoops
By:
Arklearkle
When: 18 Oct 15 16:40
I reckon Faugheen will sleep soundly tonight. The Wonder One still jumping to the right.
By:
Fashion Fever
When: 20 Oct 15 21:44
sounds like hes as good as last year if not better, excited ruby today

its morgania, christmas hurdle, staright to chelters
By:
buddeliea
When: 21 Oct 15 07:11
not sure he needs to improve anyway,looks a poor lot up against him this season.
Just hope the 4 year olds can step up,otherwise he wins any race they choose to enter him in.
By:
timtin
When: 21 Oct 15 10:42
its arguably a better lot than last year with Nichols Canyon, Peace and Co, MTOY, Arctic Fire, Top Notch and Hargam involved at this stage.
By:
buddeliea
When: 21 Oct 15 17:26
Arguably maybe

But take the 4 year olds out though,and you are left with Arctic fire who has already proved inferior to faugheen,nichoolls canyon who would surprise me if he proved to be a top 2 miler and MTOY whose coming back from injury.
For me it's faugheen against the 4 year olds.
By:
scooby91
When: 21 Oct 15 18:58
wo underestimate nc at your peril. Always take note of paddies antepost odds and as you can tell they don't want to take a bet on nicholls canyon for the champion, 4 grade one wins,walsh and willie very complimentary about the horse too. Could be another mullins 1 2 3
Faugheen
Nicholls canyon
Arctic fire
By:
buddeliea
When: 21 Oct 15 21:23
Well yes that's possible of course, but imo NC won't line up in the race looks a stayer to
Me, and quiet possibly a darn good one.
Then again if no 4 year olds step up,they may decide to monopolise the CHurdle.
God I really hope that's not the case,and PAC or any of the other 4year olds can prove top notch....ha him as well!!
Certainly won't be a better jumper of a hurdle than top
Notch,that I am pretty sure of.
By:
deepingfox
When: 21 Oct 15 22:32
Budd, Love Top Notch to, I think he's potentially got the quality to be the best of british.  Faugheen the Machine to rule in March though.
By:
wellchief
When: 22 Oct 15 08:23
Any news over Parlour Games? Champion Hurdle / World Hurdle?

On the bare form with Nichols Canyon he isn't too far away. Nichols saw him off quite comfortably at Aintree but that's at the end of a long hard season.

Don't think Parlour would be good enough to win a CH, but he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as NC, Hargam, Top Notch etc.
By:
barnesey
When: 22 Oct 15 16:38
Parlour games entered for a novice chase at Cheltenham on Saturday chief!
By:
wellchief
When: 22 Oct 15 16:54
Cheers mate, didn't realise he was going chasing! Don't normally associate John Ferguson flat breds as chasers, only 13% of his runners last year were over the larger ones. I thought he'd have a shout at the World Hurdle, as not much to make up with Windsor Park.

Makes the novice chasing division a bit more interesting though. Some useful looking ones this year like him, Douvan, Un Temps Pour Tout, Shaneshill, Alvisio Ville, possibly Vyta du ROC etc.
By:
delsie777
When: 25 Oct 15 21:41
Agree with Budd - Nichols Canyon may well end up in the World Hurdle. Can see him sitting at the back all the way round and taking off up the straight - especially if the race is run like last year. Wylie already sounds like he wants to step up to avoid Faugheen
By:
scooby91
When: 25 Oct 15 22:57
Nicholls canyon needs riding just 9ff the pace and will 5ake a very good horse to get him of the bit. Pulls and too keen to be held up
By:
scooby91
When: 25 Oct 15 23:24
Just to add. to my suprise after backing him for the jlt. Been told by a very good sourrce that shaneshill is to stay over hurdles for at least 1 run, with world hurdle the target.as willie dosent think it was his true running behind kilultagh vic at punchestown. If he dosent get the 3 miles properly this time. Will go chasing 2m4 +
If nicholls canyon is to go for world hurdle, you really think paddies would be top price 14s?
By:
delsie777
When: 26 Oct 15 14:30
Just the impression I got listening to Wylie. And when you think about it - why would you want to take on Faugheen? Place money? I think he would want to have Ruby ride ideally and it would only be an injury to Faugheen for that to happen wouldn't it?
By:
scooby91
When: 26 Oct 15 14:46
It's good prize money for 2nd and you never know, faugheen could fall, get injured.
Barring that faugheen wins. But I genuinely believe nicholls canyon beats all bar faugheen. Fields likely to get cut up, and for me 20/1 is the best ew bet of the meeting. Shaneshill is wylie hopefully runner in the world hurdle. Even though I think he should go chasing
By:
scooby91
When: 26 Oct 15 14:46
It's good prize money for 2nd and you never know, faugheen could fall, get injured.
Barring that faugheen wins. But I genuinely believe nicholls canyon beats all bar faugheen. Fields likely to get cut up, and for me 20/1 is the best ew bet of the meeting. Shaneshill is wylie hopefully runner in the world hurdle. Even though I think he should go chasing
By:
scooby91
When: 26 Oct 15 14:47
Listen to wylie interview about shaneshill.
By:
scooby91
When: 02 Nov 15 09:51
Faugheen 6/4 with sky bet price boost.
Suprisingly let me have 400 on.
Fair play sky bet.
By:
scooby91
When: 02 Nov 15 09:51
Faugheen 6/4 with sky bet price boost.
Suprisingly let me have 400 on.
Fair play sky bet.
By:
timtin
When: 16 Nov 15 21:17

Oct 21, 2015 -- 4:42AM, timtin wrote:


its arguably a better lot than last year with Nichols Canyon, Peace and Co, MTOY, Arctic Fire, Top Notch and Hargam involved at this stage.


Hate to quote myself again but its true, its a much better lot this year and Ruby said he knew Faugheen weaknesses, well slowly ran races against flat performers like NC rated 110+ is a weakness if the race is set up at a sub-moderate pace. And why did Mullins gave Faugheen a hard prep just few days before Morgiana, leaving NC dead sounds good for reporters but that also means you blow him up for the official race. Oh they should've gone novice chasing and target the GC instead of losing his unbeaten run because Ruby & Mullins screwed things up.. there it goes nothing..

By:
Paterson92
When: 26 Nov 15 19:05
Have taken a photo of an article regarding the fitness of Faugheen on his seasonal return. Will upload as soon as it's approved by admin.
By:
daveygfc
When: 26 Nov 15 20:18
This the one comparing the two photos of punchestown end of last season and last week? Caught it on Twitter. Definitely a big difference. They've thought they could get away with it and were caught out, will improve all year and win again in March.
By:
Paterson92
When: 26 Nov 15 21:59
That's the one daveygfc, typically they've still not approved the photo but he is massive. Couldn't agree more with you.
By:
duffy
When: 27 Nov 15 01:42
I'm confused, are we saying he was as fat as a p1g, but a few days earlier had still managed to smash up NC on the gallops?

He didn't get beat through lack of fitness, he got beat because he bunny hopped the 2nd last as per usual....this time he paid for it.
By:
buddeliea
When: 27 Nov 15 05:49
But did he smash up NC on the gallops??
We weren't there.
Whatever, I am pretty sure Faugheen will perform a lot better during the season.
By:
timtin
When: 27 Nov 15 07:54
Why would Mullins and Walsh lie? A horse in that physical shape takes longer to recover, the racecourse gallop didn't helped being so close to the race.
By:
daveygfc
When: 27 Nov 15 07:59
Ladbrokes going 5/2 for champion hurdle between 1 & 2pm but only letting you have £25 on. I can remember them letting you have more on with these type of offers before. This is more like a Coral offer.

Un de Sceaux same price and stakes if anybody is interested.
By:
duffy
When: 27 Nov 15 14:28
If an unfit horse with a  great big gut as well as being taken on by a stablemate who is a grade 1 winner = 1/6 I dread to think what he'll be when he's gone on a diet...have we ever had no offers in a CH...can't be any layers in the Mullins stable, that's for sure.
By:
duffy
When: 27 Nov 15 14:42
Admittedly I'm not a fan..but have a look at the head carriage under pressure too...not the greatest!.....I'm not a fan thoughSilly
By:
Paterson92
When: 27 Nov 15 17:07
By:
Paterson92
When: 27 Nov 15 17:09
For anyone that hasn't seen it ^
By:
duffy
When: 27 Nov 15 17:19
Devils advocate, that's all, but the leaner version sees him fully extended so would give a leaner look to it, plus, have we seen a before and after of NC too??
By:
gutfeeling
When: 27 Nov 15 17:28
Of course he wouldn't have grown either during the off season.
I'd have preferred 2 pictures of him on his debut rather than one at the end of a long season.
By:
duffy
When: 27 Nov 15 17:52
http://cdn.images.dailystar.co.uk/dynamic/59/photos/555000/620x/174555.jpg

That's him 1st time out last year in the Ascot Hurdle, doesn't he look woolly and fat...fookers even got stretch marks!!!

He's more extended in this picture too compared to the other day, if he was standing normally, he'd be tripping over that gut :-)
By:
gutfeeling
When: 27 Nov 15 18:32
Will have to see how he goes nto also how he looks, For me his head carriage & the hanging when put under a forceful ride speak much more than pictures of his waistline Grin
By:
grinch
When: 28 Nov 15 00:04
how about
(1) Walsh got away with setting fractions in the champion hurdle
(2) this is unlikely to reoccur next March
(3) tried something else not making all
(4) i presume this is how they worked at home
(5) didnt work
(6) back to using his stamins front next time

the horse was always considered a stayer and only after the switch to the 2m at the irish festival(due to vatour missing s days work) was he firmly the 2m from the yard. ridden more for speed .. now back to plan a
just a theory
By:
Arklearkle
When: 28 Nov 15 11:02
Your slightly contradicting yourself grinch just like others have. Make up your mind is he a sprinter or a stayer. As regards making the running he has only made the running in about 50% of his races so it does not matter to him but a strong pace suits him best
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