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teaspoon
05 Sep 13 13:14
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Has anyone got any early thoughts on the CH?

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By:
deepingfox
When: 05 Sep 13 13:36
Earliest thought is that it could be the best Champion Hurdle field for the last 10 years, at this stage, as a lot of good novices around, plus the best champion for the last decade, plus the best Juvenile for the last decade too.

The big question is who will turn up, as not all those at the top of the market are going to keep top class 2M hurdle careers on track through the build up to the Festival.

My own choices are OUR CONOR (best hurdle-jumper I can recall, like that lady Aussie - Pearson - doesn't lose any ground crossing the obstacles).
He could be brutal if stepping up into the big time this year, but his price reflects that.

My longer-shot, but one TF rate highly, and I rate very highly is the unbeaten UN DE SCEAUX.  Now Ruby rides all of William  Mullins at the Festival I am even happier, than watching him destroy a useful field in Ireland post-Festival. Who knows by next March he could have chosen him ahead of Hurricane Fly, depending how the season progresses.

With WM promising to attack Saturday prizes in England this season, I wouldn't be surprised to see Un De Sceaux over here for say the International in December to test out the track, personally if he's rated to run in the "Greatwood" Hurdle in November I would love to see him do a Sizing Europe and take that first.


25's with the bookies, and he could be the "dark" one from the decent Novice crop from last season.
By:
aft
When: 05 Sep 13 13:36
THE NEW ONE ;

Still only 5yo but already rated 165 and still improving
Has improved with every race since his debut two years ago
Has improved more than 5lb on average with every race
Proven that he relishes Cheltenham
Stays 2m4f

Fill your boots!
(Our Connor will need to be something very special to beat him)
By:
HaylingBilly
When: 05 Sep 13 14:32
I put an AP bet on THE NEW ONE the day after last years Festival finished. Also, I have always had a strong view that GRANDOUET has everything required to win a Champion Hurdle. He was coasting last year looking every inch to be in the places. He will only be 7 at next years Festival. I have to include him in my thinking for this race.
By:
cyclops
When: 05 Sep 13 16:19
Look no further than Mullins. 7 points on Hurricane Fly, 1.5 each on Un De Sceaux and Annie Power. If the champion should come up short this season, Mullins has two horses of huge potential who could take his place. Personally, I expect to see Hurricane repel them all again. Lightly raced for his age, and swept by them in this year's Champion, despite a strangely run race. Our Conor may be anything, but is a shocking price given that he's yet to meet a class horse. My Tent or Yours may be the next Harchibald in waiting. The New One did keep progressing but look at how little he had to spare when beating Thousand Stars at Aintree (and losing to Zarkander) and you will realise how much he needs to improve when stepping back to a trip that Nigel never contemplated running him over in his novice season. Not sure he's the trainer to keep improving him, after a very busy first season. Jezki's a bit of a dark one, but you have to forgive his eclipse at Cheltenham, while Grandouet is surely too soft and has had too many chances. His jumping always falls to pot when under pressure.
Trust Mullins to deliver.
By:
jasey
When: 05 Sep 13 20:06
Countrywide Flame is a massive price,i will be having a bit of NNFB with betvic
By:
Howdi
When: 05 Sep 13 20:55
countrywide cant win it shirley
By:
Glossy
When: 05 Sep 13 23:04
Another vote for The New One here.

Our Connor looked flashy but I'm yet to be convinced of what he beat.
By:
gutfeeling
When: 06 Sep 13 02:50
The New One(Just hope his hurdling has improved as was prone to missing one out)

Forgotten horse-Melodic Rendezvous,Could be one many have overlooked as he missed the festival,Already a winner around Chelts and improved all season,Long as he comes back well and improves for better ground he could be a player come March at decent odds.
By:
sc1883
When: 06 Sep 13 07:58
My Tent Or Yours for me, if he ever learns to settle he's going be seriously difficult to beat. Grandoeut as a saver, got to be one of the most unlucky horses around and one day it will all go right for him.
By:
tomdeane
When: 06 Sep 13 11:55
Am all over The New One here. Absolutely gaged up in a good Ballymore and still young enough to be improving with every run. Loved the daylight he put between himself and some talented rivals at last year's Festival, and, watching him after the line, you could see he wasn't even blowing. A tough, good hurdler, with exceptional Cheltenham form, who stays very well and has a great turn of foot.
By:
Howdi
When: 06 Sep 13 14:08
Grandouet going chasing me thinks.
By:
Howdi
When: 06 Sep 13 14:08
I agree with Tomdeane although the danger is Our Connor who be anything rated between 158-175+
By:
HaylingBilly
When: 06 Sep 13 14:37
Howdi - did you see this from NH this week. http://racing.channel4.com/preview-reaction/newsid=1238385/index.html#all-systems-go-for-henderson-stars. See extract below which could be interpreted either way depending on the spelling. Did he mean "too" or "two" ? The plot thickens. I think he meant "too" and the editor got it wrong which means he will stay hurdling and go for Champion with MTOY. Thoughts ?   


“I’ve still got the hunger, I want to go and win every bloody race there is and we’ve got a very strong team, both equine and human. It’s just about sorting out who does what and where they go. Oscar Whisky will go over fences. My Tent or Yours will have to come in as a Champion Hurdle horse, and Grandouet is one of those two. There’s an awful lot of good ones for those races and some good youngsters too.
By:
Howdi
When: 06 Sep 13 15:10
ill look into it and report back Plain
By:
Howdi
When: 06 Sep 13 15:11
1-5 hendo to win trainers championship buying money by the way!
By:
buddeliea
When: 07 Sep 13 06:54
My early thoughts are that its bl00dy difficult!!

We have novices that all look decent,and out of Our Conor,Jezki,The new one and MTOY,its hard to say with too much confidence which will turn out the better.I personally would not be backing any of them at current prices as I don't think those prices will be changing that much for a while due to the competetiveness of the race. Although,I guess Jezki at 12 could be interesting to some, cos hes likely to go shorter should he continue the improvement he showed at the end of the season,the others are already fairly short for novices imo.
At bigger prices I have had a few nibbles on Annie Power, and Un de Sceaux and also Melodic Rendezvous who interests me if he stays hurdling.
Simonsig would be near fav if the decision were made to go back hurdling,which imo he should do,as to me its his beast chance of a festival win in a Grade 1.At the price I have him,it was worth the gamble.
Of the seasoned hurdlers only HFly and ROR would I see as potential winners,cant be backing Fly at the prices,but ROR is a nice price should he have another go.

That's my very early thoughts.
By:
Howdi
When: 13 Sep 13 22:43
id lay jezi to the hilt (almost as agood a bet as laying Liverpool on here to win the league at 10-1 ) - he don't like Cheltenham.
By:
Glossy
When: 14 Sep 13 00:17
gutfeeling, Melodic Rendezvous going novice chasing it seems
By:
duffy
When: 14 Sep 13 00:34
MTOY's for me, it would be easy to label him a bridle horse in the Harchibald mould and use the supreme as evidence, and I think there is something in that to be honest in as much as if another jock can get the fractions bang on against him and have something left then he's vulnerable.

I have a hunch though that MTOY's big positive will show that he can travel as easily as we've seen even off of a proper suicidal pace that should be hurting even the smoothest of travellers and if he can get that sort of race where his rivals are shot coming to the business end, he'll still be there on the bridle,the CH this year was a good example of this and was won by HF as he stayed on past beaten horses, I actually suspect that in that race under those circumstances, MTOY's would have won it.

Briefly with the others, I think that TNO will ultimately want further, he could be the Zarkandar horse for this year with long debates about whether he'll be quick enough.Jezki doesn't jump well enough for me, and as for Our Conor, could it be that his stock has actually fallen as questions marks start to be raised regarding the form of the triumph, it'll be interesting to see if he and HF clash in Ireland this winter, I suspect that HF will come out on top.As for the others then Un De Sceaux must go onto everyone's watch list as he's provided an instance where sometimes you just sit up and take notice at the style of the performance produced, who knows how good he's going to be and is easily the most interesting of the longer priced horses.
By:
lincthesinc
When: 14 Sep 13 18:49
I think TNO got bags of pace.
By:
sintonian
When: 15 Sep 13 11:49
The New One for me also. By the time we get to the festival, he'll have the perfect amount of experience, age, and comes from a race which have thrown up plenty of CH contenders in the past, Peddlers Cross, Hardy Eustace etc. His second place to Zarkandar over 20f is excellent form.
By:
bigben
When: 15 Sep 13 16:20
I was a big fan of The New One last season & backed him in The Neptune.
Im just slightly concerned that he's suddenly a 2m horse, all because that's the only Championship race that he can really go for.
There's a big difference in sprinting away from 2 1/2 & 3m horse's off a slow pace, to then being a CH contender.
By:
Glossy
When: 15 Sep 13 17:37
Not at Cheltenham there isn't.
By:
SeaTheStars101
When: 15 Sep 13 20:01
Not really bigben ever heard of a horse called Rock on Ruby should have 1 the neptune only for jockey error. Went on to win the champion came 2nd this year.
By:
BJG
When: 15 Sep 13 20:37
Hardy EustaceConfused

Rock on RubyConfused

IstabraqConfused


Ur right - Neptune hosses defo nt ones to follow in the CH
By:
sintonian
When: 15 Sep 13 21:06
Look through the RP in-running comments for TNO and you will see the word quickened several times.
By:
SeaTheStars101
When: 15 Sep 13 22:50
I look at the winning times of the novice hurdles and ch. The supreme was actually 5 seconds faster than the champion based on that MTOY or Jezki should be winning next year. However you have to bear in mind ROR and Zar set a much faster pace in the champion then champagne in the supremes. Either way both MTOY and Jezki can be major players and I am scared of their potential next year.

But TNO finished 3 seconds quicker than the fly from the last to the line and if you go through the race he ran some very good sections better than the champion hurdle. Combined with the fact he has plenty stamina and a killer turn of foot I really like his chances if he is 100% fit on race day. His turn of pace is brutal it will break a lot of horses hearts.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 16 Sep 13 02:43
All these horse being touted and all with strong credentials. It could shape up to be one humdinger come March. I think the ground could play a big part. If it's anywhere near good then the betting boots will be oot and I'll be backing like a big yin. Wink
By:
Masterminded
When: 16 Sep 13 16:25
Will be a brilliant renewal. MTOY wins it for me. Think he was aimed at winning the Betfair Hurdle last season and Hendo's novice hurdlers always tend to improve a lot for another year. Look at the horses he's had beaten in the Supreme in the past few years. Think we will see a stronger animal this year and MTOY will find the extra bit he needs to quicken up the hill.
By:
bigben
When: 16 Sep 13 20:17
Im more than aware that Neptune winners have a great record in the CH & I would love to see the TNO enhance that record. If NTD thought he was a 2 miler then why was he targeted for The Neptune. Any thoughts?
By:
bigben
When: 16 Sep 13 20:29
STS101 - Im not surprised that TNO was quicker from the last to the line. How did the early sectionals suggest how The Neptune was ran? Was it as slow as it appeared visually?
By:
SeaTheStars101
When: 17 Sep 13 22:09
I used this same analysis to back Rock on Ruby when he won the CH after coming second the year before in the Neptune.

Anyway I don't no the early sections whoever the average time over a furlong was 15 seconds dead in the neptune and 14.5454 in the champion. Thats actually serious pace to maintain in the neptune considering there doing an extra 4.5 furlongs. I am liking TNO more and more also his performance against At Fishers Cross were he made him look slow with a massive turn of pace and then just got chinned on the line this horse is a warrior ripe for doing battle in cheltenham next march bring it on!!
By:
The Sawyer
When: 18 Sep 13 12:57
If you are trying to talk TNO up based on his time in the Neptune, the sectionals or even his time from the last hurdle, then the 148 rated Medinas (now rated 154) who won the Coral Cup later in the day over CD must be a shoe in for next years Champion.

He carried more weight than TNO ran the final split only very slightly slower, but won in a final time 5.5 seconds faster.
By:
duffy
When: 18 Sep 13 13:44
I am liking TNO more and more also his performance against At Fishers Cross were he made him look slow with a massive turn of pace and then just got chinned on the line this horse is a warrior ripe for doing battle in cheltenham next march bring it on!!

Not too sure of if using examples where he outpaces 3 mile horses is the best argument for CH purposes.Plain
By:
Arklearkle
When: 18 Sep 13 23:19
Whenever HF beats Thousand Stars by 10 or 20 lengths we are told that he has beaten nothing. At Liverpool TNO finished 1 1/4 lengths ahead of TS - beware of false prophets.
By:
The Sawyer
When: 19 Sep 13 08:01
Hi Arkle

Not that I am picking holes in your statement as I think we agree on this one, but HF has only once beaten TS by 10 lengths. Plenty have beaten him by over ten lengths - perhaps Mullins is trying to keep HF's handicap mark down Wink
By:
cyclops
When: 19 Sep 13 09:49
Excellent point, The Sawyer. Whether or not you like TNO as a Champion prospect, to base your case on comparing the times of his race with that of the Champion hurdle the day before is misguided in the extreme.
By:
Eeternaloptimist
When: 19 Sep 13 13:52
TNO is just another added ingredient to what seems to be shaping up to be a cracker of a renewal this year. Let's hope they all make it to the party in rude health. Given what appears to be the quality of the emerging two milers I'd personally want to be with one of those but that's why this game is so endlessly fascinating and why I can't wait for October so we can once again begin to piece the jigsaws together.
By:
judorick
When: 25 Sep 13 17:20
NTD is absolutely having kittens about The New One and reckons he is the real deal. He certainly has all the credentials in terms of age, profile and form so hopefully he campaigns him correctly. I see they are starting early with the listed hurdle at Kempton in October. IIRC Rooster Booster may have won the same race but I'm not sure

But starting in October makes it a long old season, how many runs is he planning before the Champion?

I will be opposing all the runners from the Supreme Novices relentlessly in the Champion itself, the race has the worst record of producing Champion Hurdlers.
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