Is it restricted to a monkey back on each race - i.e. if you back 4 horses for £50 in the Arkle and they all don't run you only get back £50?
If soemone can post a link to the t&c's I'd be grateful.
Is it restricted to a monkey back on each race - i.e. if you back 4 horses for £50 in the Arkle and they all don't run you only get back £50?If soemone can post a link to the t&c's I'd be grateful.
Didn't take advantage of this VC offer last year but having had a look at the races that are available there do seem to be some fair long range bets given you get £50 back as free bet if it's a non runner (£100 max per race). Full T&C's above.
My opening £50 win bet is Chatterbox @ 25/1 for the Jewson.
Didn't take advantage of this VC offer last year but having had a look at the races that are available there do seem to be some fair long range bets given you get £50 back as free bet if it's a non runner (£100 max per race). Full T&C's above.My op
Chatterbox was a very decent, if unflashy novice hurdler who was only 8/1 for a very strong Neptune last year. Henderson had been saying all season that he would miss Cheltenham (similar to when Sprinter Sacre was a novice hurdler) but in the end the temptation to run ws too much. He only finished 4th but made umpteen little mistakes as Gerraghty had him in last place on the inside and to my eyes he was getting unsighted at his hurdles as those in front took off just before him - something which is a particular bugbear of mine. He was also impeded on the home turn.
Although he's won his novice hurdles over 2m I don't see him as an Srkle type, and equally he's not an obvious RSA type. He has been compared very favourably to Bobs Worth by Henderson: Henderson said: "He doesn't do anything spectacular at home, but he's very good when he goes on a racecourse. He's so like Bobs Worth it's untrue."
Given his connections and obvious potential he could esily be favourite on the day - if he doesn't take to chasing or goes elsewhere I still get my stake back on the day. Whats not to like.
Chatterbox was a very decent, if unflashy novice hurdler who was only 8/1 for a very strong Neptune last year. Henderson had been saying all season that he would miss Cheltenham (similar to when Sprinter Sacre was a novice hurdler) but in the end the
Not sure Bob would have won the RSA had he stayed up, but Mullins thought the world of him a season back. Would never put people off backing 25-1 shots but I'd be surprised if he's up to the job really.
Not sure Bob would have won the RSA had he stayed up, but Mullins thought the world of him a season back. Would never put people off backing 25-1 shots but I'd be surprised if he's up to the job really.
was running on empty because the jockey used up his energy quickening around the bend. Almost certainly contributed to his fall. That said, I'd want 40/1 for the GC and looking at his handicap rating the GC will not be the main target this season i'd say.
was running on empty because the jockey used up his energy quickening around the bend. Almost certainly contributed to his fall. That said, I'd want 40/1 for the GC and looking at his handicap rating the GC will not be the main target this season i'd
I think Bobs Worth will win it back to back but I agree with the original poster, Boston Bob is the only horse I could see beating him. People forget that Boston Bob wasn't really right at all last season and which is why Ruby chose the wrong horse for the RSA. But given another summer on his back, he must have a chance of progressing this season and if Ruby rides him then he could finally fulfil his potential. But I would give him next to no chance with Paul Townend on his back, brainless ride at the festival, as Sintonian says he was needlessly rushed up via the car park through a panic type manoeuvre. I don't understand how people can say the horse has no chance in the Gold Cup, realistically I can't see why any horse Bobs Worth beat last season would reverse form, the RSA winner I think got lucky on the day and for me doesn't look the type to progress (Boston's Angel type to me), I don't think S Conti properly stays the trip at Cheltenham which doesn't really leave much else.
I think Bobs Worth will win it back to back but I agree with the original poster, Boston Bob is the only horse I could see beating him. People forget that Boston Bob wasn't really right at all last season and which is why Ruby chose the wrong horse f
Well we have Sir Des Champs who weren't far behind Bobsworth,and we have Al Ferof hopefully,SConti was running a big race and Boston Bob will be improving I should think. I too think Bob could well win again,but hes got some real threats imo.
Well we have Sir Des Champs who weren't far behind Bobsworth,and we have Al Ferof hopefully,SConti was running a big race and Boston Bob will be improving I should think.I too think Bob could well win again,but hes got some real threats imo.
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After all you said about him last season? My word you've changed your tune Ballydoyle!!
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Older & stronger this year. Perfect for Gold Cup. Wouldn't have won last year so stand by that the Ryanair was the right race but was evidently one paced in 2nd. Now it has to be the Gold Cup.
Older & stronger this year. Perfect for Gold Cup. Wouldn't have won last year so stand by that the Ryanair was the right race but was evidently one paced in 2nd. Now it has to be the Gold Cup.
He was in the wrong race due to owner politics, something his backers AND trainer said all along. He will be 9 next March. The only improvement he has to come is mentally via experience.
16/1 is a fair price, again.
LOL.He was in the wrong race due to owner politics, something his backers AND trainer said all along. He will be 9 next March. The only improvement he has to come is mentally via experience.16/1 is a fair price, again.
Nope, thought he would have had entries in the Hennessy and John Durkan but none. Really hope he has not had a set-back.
If you have a Racing Post account you can send them a question to put forward to Willie in his Saturday column for the paper. I would do it but I don't subscribe.
Nope, thought he would have had entries in the Hennessy and John Durkan but none. Really hope he has not had a set-back.If you have a Racing Post account you can send them a question to put forward to Willie in his Saturday column for the paper. I wo
Given he had no entries in the Hennessy or Durkan, which I thought was strange, I am wondering if they may be aiming him at the Grand National like they tried with the owners Prince De Beauchene a couple of years, and that he won't run in a chase until after the weights are published. Just a thought...
Given he had no entries in the Hennessy or Durkan, which I thought was strange, I am wondering if they may be aiming him at the Grand National like they tried with the owners Prince De Beauchene a couple of years, and that he won't run in a chase unt
Things like £50 max per horse and if one backs the same horse twice its the first bet made which counts. Also £100 max per race and as far as I remember its £500 refund in total. One needs to check them rayher than relying on my memory. Tbf a good deal enough.
Things like £50 max per horse and if one backs the same horse twice its the first bet made which counts. Also £100 max per race and as far as I remember its £500 refund in total. One needs to check them rayher than relying on my memory. Tbf a good
Has an entry in the Lexus Chase. Trainer has said he will be entered in both hurdles and chases over the xmas period, fwiw. Recent update given to Irish press.
Has an entry in the Lexus Chase. Trainer has said he will be entered in both hurdles and chases over the xmas period, fwiw. Recent update given to Irish press.
They are saying he has had muscle problems, so that rules out making any ante-post bets for the festival on him. If he's as good as he was/promised to be then he could be a real danger to Big Bucks.
They are saying he has had muscle problems, so that rules out making any ante-post bets for the festival on him. If he's as good as he was/promised to be then he could be a real danger to Big Bucks.
if Big Bucks comes back as good as he was (big if admittedly but vibes from connections are promising) then I struggle to see Boston Bob troubling him, he could n't peg back Brindisi Breeze in the Albert Bartlett 2 years ago.
World Hurdle looks like it could be a very hot race - Solwhit, Celestial Halo, At Fishers Cross, Rule The World (though he'd have to show better form than at the weekend admittedly).
Also been mentioned as a potential target for Melodic Rendezvous and then you've got Zarkander (though they might wait for Aintree). Not beyond the bounds of possiblity that Annie Power will end up in the race either.
Some of those will fall by the wayside but still think it's likely to be a big ask for Boston Bob.
if Big Bucks comes back as good as he was (big if admittedly but vibes from connections are promising) then I struggle to see Boston Bob troubling him, he could n't peg back Brindisi Breeze in the Albert Bartlett 2 years ago.World Hurdle looks like i
Solwhit for me, unlike a few of past BB challengers here we have a top class 2 miler who stays 3 miles very well, I'm surprised he's not shorter and receiving more support.
I know there's a general concensus that we've heard it all before about this such and such horse will give BB something to do and in the end, BB sees them off, but this really is different, solwhit was a top class 2 miler who has proven he stays the trip well, his starting point is far higher than grands crus, vlv and co!.
Solwhit for me, unlike a few of past BB challengers here we have a top class 2 miler who stays 3 miles very well, I'm surprised he's not shorter and receiving more support.I know there's a general concensus that we've heard it all before about this s
yep, fair enough sint - have to confess Boston Bob is one of those horses I've never really warmed to because of all the hype (not the horse's fault admittedly!)Just don't think he's achieved much for a horse that turns 9 in less than a month.
I loved Brindisi Breeze, as much for his performance at Haydock as the Albert Bartlett - what happened to him was desperate, what happened to his jockey was absolutely tragic.
Some useful animals were trounced in that Haydock race.
going a bit off topic, apologies.
yep, fair enough sint - have to confess Boston Bob is one of those horses I've never really warmed to because of all the hype (not the horse's fault admittedly!)Just don't think he's achieved much for a horse that turns 9 in less than a month.I loved
Did anyone catch the interview with Willie on Irishnews.tv ? I only caught the end of it where he said the owner was keen to go down the world hurdle route but then he referred to it as Plan B?
Did anyone catch the interview with Willie on Irishnews.tv ? I only caught the end of it where he said the owner was keen to go down the world hurdle route but then he referred to it as Plan B?
but the impression I got was MP is the supreme horse, faugheen was the AB horse but is showing lots of speed will be dropped in trip next time and maybe the Neptune is right race, briar hill was the Neptune horse but might be the AB horse
but the impression I got was MP is the supreme horse, faugheen was the AB horse but is showing lots of speed will be dropped in trip next time and maybe the Neptune is right race, briar hill was the Neptune horse but might be the AB horse
I've gone in again with bet.365 25/1 nrnb. I think ruby and willie were surprised on how well he won last time out and will Annie power looking like world hurdle and sdc out I would let him take his chance in the gold cup plus he's huge he's built like a chaser!
I've gone in again with bet.365 25/1 nrnb. I think ruby and willie were surprised on how well he won last time out and will Annie power looking like world hurdle and sdc out I would let him take his chance in the gold cup plus he's huge he's built li
I've gone in again with bet.365 25/1 nrnb. I think ruby and willie were surprised on how well he won last time out and will Annie power looking like world hurdle and sdc out I would let him take his chance in the gold cup plus he's huge he's built like a chaser!
I've gone in again with bet.365 25/1 nrnb. I think ruby and willie were surprised on how well he won last time out and will Annie power looking like world hurdle and sdc out I would let him take his chance in the gold cup plus he's huge he's built li
How could they have been surprised. He was massively favoured at the weights in that race, beat very little of class there. And I say that as a big fan of the horse.
How could they have been surprised. He was massively favoured at the weights in that race, beat very little of class there. And I say that as a big fan of the horse.
forgive me for my ignorance but if a horse is being trainer for the world hurdle i.e 3m+ over timber ,what would be the interruption in the training regime/preparation to suddenly switch targets to say 3m+ over fences i.e gold cup, would the transition be much different from hurdles to fences ? ,I assume he would be schooling over hurdles at home,would the training set up be much different from hurdles to fences ?
forgive me for my ignorance but if a horse is being trainer for the world hurdle i.e 3m+ over timber ,what would be the interruption in the training regime/preparation to suddenly switch targets to say 3m+ over fences i.e gold cup, would the trans
Not really sure myself, Foyles. I guess the schooling would just be different obstacles. Paul Nichols was going to switch Tidal Bay to the World Hurdle AFTER he won the Lexus Chase. But he got injured.
Not really sure myself, Foyles. I guess the schooling would just be different obstacles. Paul Nichols was going to switch Tidal Bay to the World Hurdle AFTER he won the Lexus Chase. But he got injured.
yeah sint suppose it would not be an ideal situation training a horse for a certain race and then switching targets halfway ,youd imagine youd want everything running smoothly going into the festival ,not an ideal preparation imo ,I would sy he will go world hurdle ?
yeah sint suppose it would not be an ideal situation training a horse for a certain race and then switching targets halfway ,youd imagine youd want everything running smoothly going into the festival ,not an ideal preparation imo ,I would sy he wil
Won @ 8/11 Mullins was pleased enough with "a nice performance" from the winner.
"He hasn't been doing that at home on the gallops and I didn't expect anything like that," he said.
"Mourad ran poor and coming here I wouldn't have been surprised if this lad had done the same. The owner (Graham Wylie) is keen to go for the World Hurdle.
"Whether that's a World Hurdle performance or not I don't know, but we may go along that route.
"If we're thinking of going that way then the Cleeve Hurdle (next month) could be a possibility at Cheltenham."Mullins said: "That was a nice performance. He hasn't been doing that at home on the gallops and I didn't expect anything like that.
"Mourad ran poor and coming here I wouldn't have been surprised if this lad had done the same. The owner (Graham Wylie) is keen to go for the World Hurdle."
Won @ 8/11 Mullins was pleased enough with "a nice performance" from the winner."He hasn't been doing that at home on the gallops and I didn't expect anything like that," he said."Mourad ran poor and coming here I wouldn't have been surprised if this
Cheers Foolsgold. But I don't see how they could have been surprised. The horse in 2nd is rated 135, BB is 151 over hurdles and 154 over fences, and he was receiving 8lb. I'd be worried if he did not win like he did tbh. That said, it was as nice a return to hurdles as you could wish to see and he should be winning again. He is in my TTF list and I still retain a lot of faith in him.
So long as the horse is fit,well and in good form Foyles then I guess it can be done. But we can only guess as to how the training would differ. The Gold Cup doesn't really strike me as a race you can suddenly decide to aim at?!
Cheers Foolsgold. But I don't see how they could have been surprised. The horse in 2nd is rated 135, BB is 151 over hurdles and 154 over fences, and he was receiving 8lb. I'd be worried if he did not win like he did tbh. That said, it was as nice a r
Boston Bob NRNB for the Gold Cup is grand but the World Hurdle is the plan for both owner & trainer. SDC not running has no bearing on Boston Bob's plans.
Boston Bob NRNB for the Gold Cup is grand but the World Hurdle is the plan for both owner & trainer. SDC not running has no bearing on Boston Bob's plans.
Willie wouldn't just run a horse in the Gold Cup 'for the sake of it'. He's said that the Wylies want to go the World Hurdle and anyway, Willie has Rubi Ball for the Gold Cup.
Willie wouldn't just run a horse in the Gold Cup 'for the sake of it'. He's said that the Wylies want to go the World Hurdle and anyway, Willie has Rubi Ball for the Gold Cup.
It would not surprise me if this horse does run in the Gold Cup. He was a def for the Galmoy but now it's the Cleeve. Big Bucks beats him and hey presto change of plan Gold Cup. Willie Mullins, just don't listen to him as all pie in the sky.
It would not surprise me if this horse does run in the Gold Cup. He was a def for the Galmoy but now it's the Cleeve. Big Bucks beats him and hey presto change of plan Gold Cup. Willie Mullins, just don't listen to him as all pie in the sky.
I must be fcuking crazy but i've just taken some 5/1 ew for the Cleeve Hurdle. He either runs here or nowhere, and Un Beau Martin just finished 2nd in the Galmoy who was thrashed by BB last time out.
I must be fcuking crazy but i've just taken some 5/1 ew for the Cleeve Hurdle. He either runs here or nowhere, and Un Beau Martin just finished 2nd in the Galmoy who was thrashed by BB last time out.
That's fair enough Sint. If Big Bucks has any chinks then every chance. Boston Bob was given a bit of stick when Brindisi Breeze beat him, but that horse could have been a monster. Sadly we'll never know. However, if the field can't beat Big Bucks on Saturday then no hope in March IMO.
That's fair enough Sint. If Big Bucks has any chinks then every chance. Boston Bob was given a bit of stick when Brindisi Breeze beat him, but that horse could have been a monster. Sadly we'll never know. However, if the field can't beat Big Buck
Agreed. Boston Bob is race fit and receives 4lb, too. It's his big chance. Has to be backed as he is an eachway bet to nothing imo. You can look at his rating and think he has a lot to find, but the fact is this is only his 2nd run out of novice company, so it's pretty likely it will improve.
Agreed. Boston Bob is race fit and receives 4lb, too. It's his big chance. Has to be backed as he is an eachway bet to nothing imo. You can look at his rating and think he has a lot to find, but the fact is this is only his 2nd run out of novice comp
Only thing I would say is that Un Beau Matin(134) ran to his mark today if you work it out with Mala Beach and Boston Bob was getting 8lb from Un Beau Matin when they met. Therefore needs a lot of improvement to get to 160ish which he'll need against some of these.
Only thing I would say is that Un Beau Matin(134) ran to his mark today if you work it out with Mala Beach and Boston Bob was getting 8lb from Un Beau Matin when they met. Therefore needs a lot of improvement to get to 160ish which he'll need agains
don't see how they can run him in the Gold Cup when he won't have run over fences for the best part of a year, will be coming off two consecutive falls and has had physical problems which were part of the reason he reverted to hurdles in the first place.
It would be a tad irresponsible to run him in the Gold Cup unless he has a successful prep run over fences beforehand.
don't see how they can run him in the Gold Cup when he won't have run over fences for the best part of a year, will be coming off two consecutive falls and has had physical problems which were part of the reason he reverted to hurdles in the first pl
Ridiculous thing to say Jasey. I think now he is basically not good enough. The form of the RSA from last season is hardly strong.
Nothing to do with 3 miles not being long enough.
Ridiculous thing to say Jasey. I think now he is basically not good enough. The form of the RSA from last season is hardly strong.Nothing to do with 3 miles not being long enough.
The RSA form is poor from last year. However, he was going to beat them easily IMO. Having said that I doubt he'll win the Gold Cup and doubt we'll see him this year at Cheltenham. Wylies best chance is Tidal Bay and he's 13 but still worth his place but would be amazed if he could pull it off.
The RSA form is poor from last year. However, he was going to beat them easily IMO. Having said that I doubt he'll win the Gold Cup and doubt we'll see him this year at Cheltenham. Wylies best chance is Tidal Bay and he's 13 but still worth his pla
Think they've had an idea aim him at a handicap chase tbh. Think he'd be interesting in old Billy Hill on first day. 2 runs over hurdles probably helped his confidence jumping. Might get some respite of English handicapper and be given 150 or lower possibly.
I'd love to see him sent for a race like the Whitbread tbh.
Think they've had an idea aim him at a handicap chase tbh. Think he'd be interesting in old Billy Hill on first day. 2 runs over hurdles probably helped his confidence jumping. Might get some respite of English handicapper and be given 150 or lower p
Entered in the Grade 3 Chase at Kempton towards the end of next month (used to be Racing Post Chase).Mullins stated in Racing Post this morning he could still go for World Hurdle but 'wants better ground'.
The Kempton race looks potentially quite hot (in comparison to previous years) at initial entry stage so I suppose if BB goes there and runs well he might still turn up in the Gold Cup.
Entered in the Grade 3 Chase at Kempton towards the end of next month (used to be Racing Post Chase).Mullins stated in Racing Post this morning he could still go for World Hurdle but 'wants better ground'.The Kempton race looks potentially quite hot
They actually need to get him to place in a 3 mile chase IF they want to run in the Grand National. At the moment he does not qualify under their new rules, but has an entry.
They actually need to get him to place in a 3 mile chase IF they want to run in the Grand National. At the moment he does not qualify under their new rules, but has an entry.