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Bobs Worth Vs Sir Des Champs..........
Bobs Worth Vs Sir Des Champs..........
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it needed a great horse to beat bobs worth, SDC is a good horse one but not a great one! to be fair SDC run better than i thought but just found one too good, all rise sir nicky!
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All this talk about Bob`s Worth having to overcome the absence stat and experience stat was poor. BW had improved 11 lb to run his personal best OR of 171. This was after an absence of 9 months, and then the analysts start suggesting he will struggle after a break of 104 days.
And despite winning the Hennessy and have a higher OR than Denman after he had ran in 5 chases, questions on experience where raised. I found it rather odd. |
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To the OP, I agree that BW and SDC where the two stand out horses( not after timing, i mentioned this on other threads) but i favoured BW for his grit and determination, he never goes down in a fight.
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I won't be with SDC next year that's for sure
the going and jockey changes done for him and they were circumstances beyond control. On more typical Festival going as in the 4 previous Gold Cups and with Davy Russell riding things may have been different. They weren't and I will not be backing him for the race in 2014 Might be Cue Card, who is a very similar horse on the form to Bobs Worth (on the line through Flight Lieutenant and the Newbury form where BW won in receipt of 7lb), but 251 is nowhere near big enough considering all the doubt. He would need good to soft at the slowest before they ran him. |
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Thought it was a brilliant performance by BW considering that was the first time he had ever raced on going which was worse than good to soft! I took some of the 8/1 Billy Hills were offering straight after the race. Last season there were so many good second season chasers coming through such as BW, SDC, FL, CC and even Grands Crus at that point, but I just don't see that much quality in this years novices. I think the RSA will prove to be a pretty poor renewal, and who knows what will happen with Dynaste or Benefficient. Can't see any of the opponents from this years race beating BW next year (except possibly SC), and with a less exciting novice crop coming through the only other challengers I could see would be AL Ferof or Last Instalment.
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Also BW does not let Cheltenham beat him, by that i mean he grabs the hill and unlike Long Run he looks more than likely to keep grabbing that hill. I think SDC will be his chief rival next year as we enter a mediocre period for Gold Cup horses. |
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if there was no prospect of Cue Card running in the Gold Cup next year he would be bigger than 25 to 1 but there is a chance (Imperial Commander won the Ryan Air the year before winning the Gold Cup) and the price tells me it must be considered an option. Clearly he has enough ability, the question is the going and trip. Be interesting to see how they campaign him and he would be one of few that could challenge BW next year.
Other than that surely BW will be fav again next year |
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They will give Cue Card another go at 3m,pretty sure of that.
Decent ground at Haydock or Kempton and we will find out once and for all if hes a candidate for the Gold Cup. |
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can tell you now Budd, when I do next years analysis SDC will be getting the Spanish Archer (El Bow) straight away as both Long Run and TGB did this so unless Lord Windermere, Boston Bob or Simonsig turn out to be serious rivals then BW will virtually be my selection
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unless Cue Card runs and even then...
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To be honest Judo,i dont see any of those as rivals to Bobsworth.
Conti maybe,as he fell when still going well,Cue Card if he proves he stays,and a couple that were injured in Al Ferof and Last Instalment.Aside from those i dont see any threats to Bobsworth if all well with him. |
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me too
as I say all being well BW will be my selection unless something happens. SC would have to win the King George to enter calculations for me |
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VC non runner free bet Gold Cup 2014
Bob 5/2 Conti 8/1 al ferof 14/1 cue card 25/1 No price for Last Instalment......is he ok for next season do you know?? Gonna keep an eye on this market |
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I don't see any value in the market
Last Installment is a massive long shot shirley |
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hmmm
non runner free bet 25s Cue Card then worth it, would be much shorter if he ran as he would only run if showing he stays and the going was right |
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yep,exactly mate,and if he dont run the free bet will come in handy im sure.
Had a few free bets that came in handy last week. few have had a pop at the offer but it suited me. |
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yes me too I had the full £500 worth, will have some 25s CC then
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I've just had £100 worth on two accounts. Be looking for more volunteers
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yep,just had some 25.s,cannot see him being bigger at anytime,either will go shorter or just wont run.
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Not sure why you would desert Sir Des Champs totally for next years GC Judo
 After all you have mentioned it was the ground which scuppered his chances, unless you don`t have faith in your own ratings. Or the `horses which are placed stat` is putting you off, but shirley you must equate the ground as a leveller. No? |
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BTW Cue Card will only be happy skipping along in front, is that likely in the GC?
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Yes, horses placed stat is a killer for me, I will not be risking money pre-race. Maybe in running but I will be worried about the hill and the field may be even stronger next year. Denman made all virtually... if it were good ground Cue Card might skip along happily. In any case, if he makes the line up he will be much shorter than 26 on here and I will be laying him. Probably lay him if he wins the King George or something.
All in all Bobs Worth is a strong fancy, somebody will have to show smart form to usurp him at the head of the market. |
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A-Gabrial
just worked out the Peak ratings for the Gold Cup and the pre-race order remains the same so it says Sir Des Champs is capable of significant improvement on good ground in a fast run race - Punchestown maybe. The rating for the Gold Cup was quite low due to steady gallop. Nevertheless, he will be eliminated in the GC next year  |
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I agree that SDC will reach a much higher rating on better ground and he probably hasn`t finished improving. It`s a shame he is not trained in the UK with better ground available in comparison to the Irish bog.
I think he may need a rest after that tough race in the GC. He rallied really well suggesting he was busting his gut. It`s certainly a race which can make horses think about going through the pain barrier again at the track. I think this has happened to Long Run and may explain why the placed horses in the GC don`t relish the race again. |
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what price did bob hit in running . seen him at 8s any bigger?
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