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Steamship
08 Mar 13 15:27
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Seems a reasonable point but if a horse has finished in the first 4 at the festival before then we can assume it's run well, but that would mean carrying over 108 horses to the following season's meeting.

Look at The Ryanair for examople.
CC,FL,Men,AR,RT,FR and SE have all won at the Festival whilst CC and Walk have been placed and FNS would have been placed if not for falling at the last.

Glad to get that off my chest.
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Report Ming_the_Merciless March 8, 2013 3:31 PM GMT
nice vent - some of the stats are utter tosh.
Report BarryM March 8, 2013 7:44 PM GMT
I don't think you can take it as meaning anything that's placed. It's about looking out for the ones who do better than their usual form at the festival, suggesting they are suited by the unique test. Walkon is a classic case where this doesn't apply - certainly not to his chasing form anyway. He did win the Triumph but arguably stepped up on that form next time out.

Desert Orchid ran well for 6 or 7 years in a row at the Festival by any normal standards, but not by his own, it was always his worse performance of the season. Son of Flicka is a good example of a horse who has massively improved at the festival twice in a row (but maybe to a large extend because of the ground, which he hasn't got this time).

That said, it's not a bad idea to avoid anything short priced that has no form at the meeting.
Report ACStafford March 8, 2013 8:22 PM GMT
FNS was placed last year in the Jewson, so you can add him to the list proper.
Report zilzal1 March 8, 2013 8:52 PM GMT
Good Post Barry
Report zilzal1 March 8, 2013 8:53 PM GMT
Apart from the fact that Walkon finished second to Zaynar in the Triumph
Report Steamship March 8, 2013 10:38 PM GMT
I agree Barry but you know that the pundits will be using to their advantage when reviewing the races.

Perhaps I'm just trying to convince myself that it does not matter as I believe Silviniaco Conti will win the Gold Cup
Report Keith Hunt March 9, 2013 12:11 AM GMT
According to easygame's excellent trends site, 90% of all winners have either placed at the course before or not run in that type of race (hurdle or chase) at the course before. I am not sure what the number of runners this is from but it's definitely food for thought.
Report sageform March 9, 2013 10:01 AM GMT
Previous Cheltenham form at any meeting is a plus, but Festival form is special as it means the same course, same time of year and often the same race. You do have other factors of course, and trainer form leading up to the meeting is equally important imo. Nicholls is in better form than last year, Henderson arguably worse and Twiston-Davies is one to avoid at all costs.
Report duncan idaho March 9, 2013 10:04 AM GMT
amazing, isnt it...in other sports too, those that have done well at, say, the previous year's World Championships are often the ones to follow....same with the Premiership, Wimbledon, darts etc....uncanny really Crazy
Report zilzal1 March 9, 2013 10:30 AM GMT
Yet, every year, horses with no experience at the place rock up at short prices.......
Report duncan idaho March 9, 2013 10:36 AM GMT
yep, and some win, some lose....incredible, isnt it?
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