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Denman won his GC aged 8, and his last ever win was the Hennessey a month before his tenth birthday. A poster child for Age based stats. Kauto - the great Kauto - could not win the GC after his ninth year. Won at 7 and 9. Only able to win it back at 9 (rather than win 3 in a row) because Denman was so good in his prime in 2008. Another perfect Age horse for the GC. Tidal Bay has blown the age stats by winning which Championship races? Age may be be bad as a profiling tool (it's not), but you gotta tell it straight. These three do not disprove the Age stats for the Champs... |
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Not that HF is too old (at 9). He will be next year, but not this...
His problem this year is that quicker horses oppose him  |
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Did I mention the festival?
 Nope didn't, Kauto won a King George at 11yo and Tidal Bay a Lexus at 11yo. Both very old age for winning those races is it not? Exactly. Like we see in football with Giggs and Scholes, modern times mean different times. People bringing up stats from racing in 70s and 80s. Daft and pointless. Racing it totally different sport now. |
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Ah right good one. Recent King George 11 year old winners prove the sport has changed.
Desert Orchid was 11 in 1990. Guess what he won.  |
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And remind me why Denman was in your age is not relevant post?
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And Stanley Matthews was 50 and still playing at the top in the 1960s FFS.
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bigpoppapump with a steinerline to those stats
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Just haven't seen anything as daft as a casual reference to Kauto and Denman disproving age stats (on a Chelters thread) when they are both absolute nailed on age animals.
You can't win the champs unless you are in your prime. Even the greats like those two. The odd animal can win at the margins of its prime (in a weak renewal) but not often. 7-9 for the GC. 6-8 for the CH. simples. |
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The age stat for the Champion Hurdle - with specific reference to the 9 year old Fly - is busted by three Steeple Chasers (who won no Cheltenham races aged ten or older between em). And had no Champion Hurdle runs between em. Lolzers.
Rooster Booster aged 9 in 2003 is the last one to do it past its supposed prime. Katchit aged 5 in 2008 is another. They would be relevant evidence wouldn't they? Not Ryan Giggs. I mean, he's not even a horse!!!  |
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bigpop
I think you need to ask Ryan's sister in law that one. |
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Think Jacob could put zarkandar anywhere in this field and he'll win , can't see how grandouet can beat him as he's 3-0 on previous meetings if i'm right , I'm sure PN knows the ability of ROR and give me Nicolls over Fry any festival , The Fly! has beaten thousand stars again by the usual distance in Ireland as well as Unaccompanied and a poor Binocular (on that day!) may improve this day but as a dethroned champion(the fly) beating Peddlers Cross 2 years ago and now 9 will happily take him on, couldn't tell you which binocular will turn up on the day but JP bullish will run his race (danger , possible place bet) again taking a leap of faith Cinders leaves all bad ground form behind and can be competitive and i give the flame a monster chance of grabbing a place as its not uncommon for a bigger price horse to run well and the way he devoured the hill when looking at best 9th in the triumph last year if hes close enough he ll be on the scene at the business end but Zarkandar all the way for me!
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The fact that the rain has finally arrived clarifies matters somewhat.
The softer ground will suit Hurricane Fly, bring Zarkandar's stamina into play, and diminish the chances of horses like Rock On Ruby and Grandouet that prefer good ground. Granted, there is a slight doubt about the pace. But there's always going to be doubts about something, and these championahip races are usually run at a true gallop. I've come round to fancying Zarkandar quite strongly each-way. He has a solid shot at winning, but on soft ground he's almost certain to make the frame. The icing on the cake is that PP are doing money-back if the Fly wins, and he has to be the principal danger. |
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theunrealbandit best to do that kind of timing yourself,Think Turftrax wanted something fitted under the saddle so they could gauge times of horses over each furlong but don't think it ever got worked out,Sorry couldn't be more help.
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@gutfeeling - thx for the thought tho.
guess I'm too lazy to watch the vid replays with a stopwatch and was hoping to lure some sectional timing anorak out of the woodwork |