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As impressive as he was lto, I don't believe any horse should ever go off odds on for this race. 9/4 in the morning, 6/4 at off sounds about right to me.
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He'll go off 7/4 imho and is a truly terrible price. He has won 2 novice hurdles a decent handicap of which the form is extremely hard to judge. Factor in as well, he has never run in a fast paced race and that his sire has had no notable jumps progeny and he is shocking value.
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Like i said, no hype, form for all to see, will hose up! Easiest winner of this race in living memory imo, as long as the track holds no barriers that is like!
I finding it pretty difficult to take the line decent handicap of which the form is extremely hard to judge however! Couple very good yardsticks in there, inc petit robin, and he destroyed them! Def a myth that every race at the festival is fast paced from the outset, quite a few supremes etc run at normal pace early on! |
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Just my personal opinion mind you, though like i also said, not biased having 10/1 and 20/1 vouchers in me pocket lol
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Just saying it as i see it
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The pace is a lottery as sometimes they go really fast and sometimes they go a sedate pace, just depends on the day. I didn't back Dunguib but think people are being a bit harsh. I agree he was too short a price but i do think he was slightly unlucky at how fast the ground was for the first race of the festival - if there was cut in the ground I think he would have won.
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Just plucking the last few runnings out of the RP speed figures would show the race is nearly always run at a decent clip overall. Petit Robin has won 3 of 11 attempts over hurdles and would have no chance in a normal running of the supreme so imho, using that as a yard stick is iffy. Horse obviously has a decent chance in the supreme just not a 6/4 chance imho
Cinders and Ashes 149 Al Ferof 155 Menorah 144 Go Native 152 Captain Cee Bee 159 |
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overhyped. flat track beast, who got a dream run in the race at newbury. assuming the next 5 in betting all turn up, we know the high street will enhance this price at 9am to 2/1 9/4 for 15 mins, before the course boys try and get it, before shortening ot up late on. sp wil lbe 6/4 area.
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**** me...the standard of punter on here nowadays is either clueless or completely clueless and if it aint that it's "predict an SP in 3 weeks time" ...who gives a **** anyway??
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No wonder man...old?
What price do you think he'll be??well he's no gonna be 5/1 is he?? Ill have a wild guess and say between 11/8 and 7/4 for the mugs.yet another Henderson hyper in a supreme to play with |
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6/4 on the day. If the Betfair Hurdle had been run on good ground it would have been much closer between My Tent Or Yours and Cotton Mill.
Also AP had MTOY in a perfect position on the inside all through the race and slip streamed the leaders. I can see this horse wandering around a bit at Cheltenham, he still looks like he thinks about a few things. Not a mortgage job in my eyes. |
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Hope MTOY wins but current price is frankly ridiculous. No Graded victories to his name, 2nd fav is dual Grade 1 winner.
Who knows what he will be like at Cheltenham? Potentially the next 2/3 in betting will be Irish and that in itself may keep the price at 2/1 |
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Wishing I took overs on the amount of times STS would mention his "20/1 and 10/1 vouchers"
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On Official Ratings My Tent Or Yours is a shoe in but every year these bankers get turned over and something else improves and relishes conditions of that particular race.
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wont be less than 2-1 when the irish boys (and me) junp on Jezki
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Robbo.
I hope Jezki gets backed off the board, because he's my lay of the meeting |
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Why is that, Jasey ?
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^^ Probably because of it`s mediocre course form on good ground in last years Bumper.
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Probably not
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why not?
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I just don't think it's much of a marker because of his age and it was only a bumper. I think if someone was laying it would be more to do with lack of recent runs/Mc Coy/MTOY.
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Bumpers can be un-reliable. He was a 4y/o and isn't a stayer, so he will be much stronger this time around. You have to be careful about makign assumptions with regards to the novices.
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“I haven’t really talked to JP McManus’ racing manager Frank Berry yet but the horse was always going to have a bit of a break now and we’re basically now going to train him for Cheltenham and then Punchestown.”
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Course form at Cheltenham is a major pointer. Cheltenham is like marmite. Even for 4 year olds.
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Fair enough. I don't like to put anyone off what they have in mind. I just throw in my 2 bobs worth then float into the background.
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Your point is very valid Graeme. After all Cinders and Ashes did the business last year after being unplaced in the bumper and Jezki didn`t run a bad race in the bumper.
Perhaps i am being harsh on the horses chance. |
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Another thing about Jeski and last years bumper the run came only ten days after his second leops bumper win. Short enough turn around to be fair. A big ask for a young horse.
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He will be odds against for sure in such a large field and the bookies will try and get him beat.
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**** the bookies. It's a field where you really need to have been on AP to have a preferential slant on the race. There are 2 miles speedsters all over the shot, and stayers growling if they don't get up the hill. It's a ****g swamp. But after drinking a few cold beers, the gambling world becomes clearer, and my ****g advice is who the **** cares about who ****g wins, because at the end of the ****g day, we all gamble at the click of a keyboard and the ****g bookies get held up with bananas, and when the bookies get held up with banans, i laugh and feel fruity.
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I just read what i typed and i'm now digging myself like Macho Man Randy Savage. Oh yeah, dig it ?
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Oh and in an un-related post, i should point out that SeatheStars post at the bottom of the first page of this thread was five stars. Posters should encourage that sort of in depth thought.
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so who has a 20/1 and 10/1 voucher?
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fuukin loads matey
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I have never had a bet in my entire life
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Dark Lover failed to frank the form today
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if you think he'll be odds on you are mad!!!
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Dark Lover failed to frank the form today
Upped in trip today. First attempt at 2.5 miles. |