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Yes suppose tht will be the target but doesn't look good enough on the basis of his last run does he?
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IMO CF has to go Neptune route and if its supreme then they're not doing the right thing by the horse. In recent years Bumper winners have a poor record whereas horses which placed lower down have done well - must surely be something to do with stamina being more at the forefront of bumper winners and as another yr passes they need further, whereas maybe those lower down are speedier and that year gives them the perfect mix for the supreme. Based on form with Jezki, they know they can't win the supreme with CF. I'd much rather have 1st and 3rd fav in the Neptune than hope CF can outstay everyone up the hill. Supreme looks really strong this year and they already have un atout and piqué sous
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That's fair enough Tory :) maybe you are right, but for me it's all about value and even taking into account the fact I would have jezki ahead of him on my tissue, it still doesn't detract from the fact if he runs 24s is way too big. Plenty of times we see form being reversed given the difference in pace of a race like the supreme. Captain chris had no chance in an arkle after being beaten by ghizao and medermit but turned it around easily. Form especially at the novices races can be moody :)
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So CF is running in the Supreme so the owner can have a runner in all 3 novice hurdle races? That makes sense.
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I've always thought CF would be well-suited to the Supreme and backed him @ 20/1 after Leopardstown. Couldn't resist topping-up on here at an average of 25/1 or so.
Last year's Bumper was above average (this year's might be a cracker too). If he's in the same form as he was last year, flashier types like MTOY are going to have to fight hard to get past him. CF is great value unless you're a conspiracy theorist! |
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CF wont even run in the supreme :)
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Patrick Mullins said at a preview tonight that Champagne Fever is Supreme bound!
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I might be in a minority but I'm still hoping CF goes to the Neptune and Pont Alex goes for the ABartlett.
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Is that the same Patrick Mullins who put Champagne Fever up for the Neptune in the Racing Post even after Pont Alexandre was promoted to favourite?
Can't believe people are mad enough to still be talking the horse up for the Supreme. Last year he made the running and outstayed Melodic Rendezvous on atrocious ground. Dunguib and Cue Card were massively more impressive than he was in taking the Festival Bumper and both came up short in a Supreme. He was well beaten by Jezki despite having an easy lead and the winner jumping poorly. How much more evidence does anyone need - he is too slow and no value at any price. It is a disgrace that connections have reduced a multiple Grade 1 winner to little more than a social runner. |
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differentdrum
14 Feb 13 13:20 he is too slow and no value at any price. In that case I'll have a monkey on at 1000. |
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"It is a disgrace that connections have reduced a multiple Grade 1 winner to little more than a social runner."
That's what happens when you've more money then sense. These new age owners just want an interest in each race even if it means not running a horse at it's optimal distance. I remember O'leary being interviewed pre-Cheltenham last year and the interviewer asked him about a race (GC i think) and he abruptly said "i won't have a runner in it so it doesn't interest me". Don't think Ricci is that bad but still... |
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So CF is running in the Supreme so the owner can have a runner in all 3 novice hurdle races? That makes sense.
As opposed to the owner running all 3 in the same race Dunguib and Cue Card were massively more impressive than he was in taking the Festival Bumper and both came up short in a Supreme Or it could have been both beat up rubbish bumper fields and were found out in the Supreme despite running well. |
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what makes me laugh is the statement of him being too slow. You've got Un Atout (pi55y novice hurdle winner), MTOY (Handicap winner), Dodging Bullets (2/6, and beaten in any decent race he's contested) ahead of him in the market..........but no the multiple Grade 1 winner and LTO winner at 2m 2f is too slow for a race won in the past by Al Ferof, Noland, Menorah, and other horses who proceeded to win over 2m 4f+
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Dunguib and Cue Card were massively more impressive than he was in taking the Festival Bumper and both came up short in a Supreme
Or it could have been both beat up rubbish bumper fields and were found out in the Supreme despite running well. dunguib beat rite of passage and quel esprit both future grade 1 winners cue card beat al ferof nuff said! |
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alleged22
15 Feb 13 09:50 dunguib beat rite of passage and quel esprit both future grade 1 winners cue card beat al ferof nuff said! But Al Ferof (who was 8L too slow to win the Bumper) won the Supreme - where does that leave your argument?  |
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al ferof was carrying 7 lbs more
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Patrick Mullins seemed sweet on Champagne Fever on RPTV today, but he said that 2 miles is not his trip, and he didn't say what race he would be heading for
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He said the other day he was a good price for the Supreme. The old man has put the blinkers on him.
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**** nae chance at the festival in any race muppets
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The key to which race CF runs in is Pont Alexandre. PWM said at the preview Wed that Pont Alexandre is a real Chasing type but IF he runs in Neptune then we will take some beating. I think that IF was key and felt that decision re PA was done and dusted
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I always assume quickish ground at the festival - if it is soft CF will do ok in the Supreme..... if not I ALSO assume they will (CF & PA) shuffle up a race.
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I'm not so sure that PA and CF would shuffle up a race. The owner has one in each of the three nbig novice race as things stand. I have my suspicions about PA and Ballycasey though. I think they have a ready made excuse to switch them and land a gamble.
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You never know with Mullins but he appears to have a habit of going all the way around the wrekin but eventually ending up in the right place. According to the snippets on ATR it appears there is more than a chance the Supreme idea (if it was ever realistic) will be ditched and he will fall in line with my previous suggestion of running in the Albert Bartlett.
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Shows the regard he has for pont al that he is considering upping champagne from 2 miles to 3miles to avoid a clash.
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It's nothing got to do with CF avoiding anything - It's all owner related!
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What did they say, and who said it ?
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Yes Childofmine it is owner related but these three (CF, PA and Ballycasey) are in the same ownership.Willie Mullins stated that he was not going to pitch CF in against PA so if upping in CF trip would run both him and Ballycasey in the three miler.
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Sorry Graeme... Wp Mullins stated on ATR this morning that he is toying with the idea of running Champagne Fever in the Albert Bartlet. Owner has a few other entries in the Supreme so that may be swaying him to this decision. Annie Power looked a decent mare on Sunday at Naas also has Fatcatinthe hat. Trainer also stated that the race is run at such a furious pace that if missing either of the first two hurdles or getting shuffled back too far by first bend its race over.
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Cheers Oufies. I'm not suprised both of the Mullins put him up as a good price, even said it was a bit disrespectful, and are now toying with the idea of switching races ?
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WPM has now said this horse may go further since MTOY hacked up in the Betfair Hurdle. Prior to that he said it was the Supreme because the owner has horses in the Neptune & Albert.
Unbelievable. Must change his mind everyday. |
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told you agers ago, the plan is CF Neptune PA Spud race.
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it would be great if PA went for the spud race - it would resurrect a bet that I had mentally flushed away with my dead goldfish...
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he's definitley changed his tune since MTOY won.
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Last week in 'The Irish Field' WM said that "his pedigree suggests that he should be going for the Albert Bartlett but at the moment we are leaning towards the Supreme Novices. A lot will depend on the ground....if it gets dry we'll look at the longer race". That's the only reason I won't be backing ante-post, I think he's good enough to win it regardless of the poor record of bumper winners.
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With the weather forecast looking like it will be soft and horribly tacky going for Tuesday I am starting to really quite fancy CF for the Supreme.
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yeh,i backed him the other day for both when NRNB came in,would not be at all surprised if he won either race to be honest.
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According to ADaughter on main forum AP and Paul Nicholls have said Ruby rides. Shorten up my sweety
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Does it really matter if Ruby rides?people too strung up about this...I do quite fancy it but wouldn't bother me if the arrogant one wasn't on board
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Well the horse will have to take it up fairly early imo,and nowt better than Ruby to work out the fractions at the front,would think it pretty important having him ride.
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Yeah but it's not the be-all and end-all and think people get too wrapped up in what Walsh chooses to ride.Townend ain't a bad jockey and must still be pishin himself laughin that Walsh has chosen Unioniste over Boston Bob
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