Pricewise this week

RoR or Binocular for me. Those two look the value at this stage. Think you are right though.

It will be Rock on Ruby

it may be the less experienced ones like Countrywide Flame or Grumeti?

What about Oscar Whiskey

Oscar wont turn up will go Aintree

Depends on cheltenham ground

Such a close race to call at this stage, I doubt he'll be telling people to lump on anything in single figures.

Of those in double figures, I'd put up Bino and Cotton Mill ew.

Bino was fourth last year, with not the best ride, with a good festival record from an all conquering stable.

Cotton Mill will run in the Betfair and if he wins that, then he'd have to be a player in this.  Zarkandar won that last year off 151, so if Cotton Mill has any chance whatsoever of winning a Champion, he'd have to win the Betfair fairly cosily off 145.

It's a tricky one for him though.  If VC were 50's like some of the others, I'd say take the 50's and if he wins the Betfair he'll be much shorter, and if he loses he won't run and go down the handicap route, and you'll get your stake as a free bet.  However, VC are 33's, which is on the short side imo, but again, if he wins the BF he'll be shorter than that.

Grandouet  will turn over the rock and Zak

PW has already put up Cotton Mill for the Betfair Hurdle

I didn't know that Rease.

See, me and old Tom on the same wave length

What ever he tips won,t win as all his ante post selections last year did,nt, but his on the day selections fared much better, Alfie S@25/1, Sync@14/1 etc.

I reckon its nailed on to be ROR.

Kiss of death for backers hopefully my 2 are safe as under 8/1 lol!

If its Oscar Whiskey he'd have to persuade another bookie to go NRNB

I agree most likely to go ROR - noticeable that his paymasters are the stand out price.

He likes Zarkandar though. On the basis that on form Darlan has no right to be 3 points shorter nor Grandouet the same price ( imo obviously )he may pick him, whilst I accept his price is now not any great value

Cotton Mill and RoR have the most blue about them on Oddschecker.

btw, re VC going NR-FB. It's only on a win bet up to, I think £100. I have a couple of £50 e-w bets and I will only get a free fifty should any be NRs. Really peed off for not fully reading the T&C

Sorry Willie, yes its only up to £50 per horse, so if you had a non runner you'd lose £50 out of your £100

The maximum refund per horse per customer is £50 in Promo Cash
The maximum refund per race per customer is £100 in Promo Cash.

You do get your place AND win back if when they are combined are equal to or less than £50. I think anyway!

It's 50 quid refund in the form of a bet per horse. You're allowed two horses per races, so it could technically be 100 quid if you abcked two.

cinders?

It's Cotton Mill

He has lost the plot. Absolutely NO CHANCE

Jan 22, 2013 -- 8:37PM, willie the milk wrote:

He has lost the plot. Absolutely NO CHANCE

Who........Cinders?

still dont understand why people listern to this price wise clown!!!yes he tips winners but dont we all have the odd winner or 2? At last years festival he tipped the same horse (captain chris) in 2 anti post races!!! it didnt even run!!!, Shortly after tipping the gold cup winner(his 4th tip in the race)he went 70 or 80 tips without a winner. I'd give up on a run like that certainly not get the former wallies on CH4 telling the world im the best tipster out there when i do finally end that run (i know that was thier words not his)
this one just somes him up,yes was the only thing able to go with simonsig but not been seen since, ploughed though the side of the hurdle which could leave its mark mentally on the horse.surely 33-1 in what is the best hurdle race of the year is only a fair price not a great price?

nor do i. Have never backed a horse cos he has tipped it,and never will.
All he seems to do is shorten the price of a horse,that aint good for us punters.
Spose he serves a purpose for those that cant read form and are a bit lazy,or dont have time etc.
But personally i would be happy if he werent around.

the bookies must love him, every time he tips something, the tills are a ringing

Yet you get the muppets on the main threads ie lazarus etc constantly giving it "Sir Tom"...sad really...I'd tear Seagull apart in a tipping challenge and I'm sure there are others on here that would also

Cant understand why bookies dont want to lay his tips, my locals are £25 ew or £50 win max on a Saturday morning, i know they are going to shortern them up after about 30 seconds (well minutes anyway) but surely its a game about getting money in the till and if he does tip a winner its the old rough with the smooth. Not proper bookies anymore, do they not understand they are in the gambling business!!!!
And before i get shot down good luck to all who follow him and are sailing round the med on the luxury liners from there winnings.....

Totally agree...same with the Taylor muppets. Taking the piss advertising prices with this guy to be honest. I find it sad that people gather round on a Friday night every week trying to work out what Tom Segal is putting up then backing it anyway at 8s when 12s is in the paper. Taking 33% off the advertised price in about 30 seconds these bookies but if he gets a winner up it goes at the 12-1 that about 5 people got. It's nonsense and as I said, I and a few others on here would bury this guy if allowed 24/7 to spend on tipping horses.

I do like his comments and previews of races purely as a good read, and I actually do respect his thoughts... but I have to agree he is no good for the punter.. it makes it almost an impossible task to bet on the day without being limited.  I do think his tipping is over hyped... and panic is mainly from people who probably dont look at his p/l at all... or even some of his tipped horses... where he tips on potential ability (based on what price you are getting) rather than form.

It was getting so ridiculous I remember when Tom tipped a 150/1 outsider in a irish race group race, it had absolutely no chance... on form or ability against the field... Korals were only taking £5 max bets... I would have taken 100s no way that would have got placed on a month of sunday! but sometimes wish these bookies dabbled in the form book... maybe they would take his selections on.

Fullback, his selection has no chance.
I on the other hand have a speculative score e-w C&A @ 20s

Willie, I'd much rather be on Cotton Mill than Cinders and Ashes.

True, C&A won a Supreme, but has been well and truly stuffed twice this season.  Whilst Cotton Mill hasn't achieved anywhere near as much, or even ran this year, there is still the element of being really unexposed an open to all amounts of improvement when he gets his good ground.

I'd rather put my money on one that may be top class, than one that we know isn't.

That said, Cotton Mill's price is now far too short; at the moment I'd have him no shorter than 33's.

cotton mill not for me at the prices but agree with him on former champion hurdle winner  punjabi in the betfair hurdle, chucked in on old form, 20lb lower than highest hurdles  mark and ran well for a long way in the christmass hurdle ,hendo seems keen as well and quiet possibly been plotted up for this  , and he has won it with another veteren carraciolla a few years back, still a big price on here and have had a few sheckles on at 29s .

of all the CH horses ive seen run on the heavy ground this year C & A has hated it the most

Not sure you can make that argument, didn't it win twice last year on very bad ground. Upped in grade this year and found not to be good enough.

Aye it did win on very bad ground last year, in egg and spoon races , 20/1 very fair price for c&a in ch, ive had some on!

Record of Supreme winners winning Champion Hurdle is dire and Supreme last year was bloody awful

I think Tom is an excellent form student and enjoy reading his columns or hearing his thoughts. I'm sure he doesn't expect Cotton Mill, or Willaims Wishes who he tipped for the QM, to win at Cheltenham, and doubt he has had a bean on either of them.

His effect on the market is purely down to the arbers. Poeple back his horses first thing simply to lay off on here for a free bet or to lock in a profit. It's free money so you can't blame them. I've done it myself at the Cheltenham Festival when the bookies tend to allow a bit more money on at the advertised morning prices - last year if it hadn't been for having a ton on Alfie Sherrin @ 25/1 and Sychronizes at 14/1 and then laying them off for around half those prices I'd have had a losing meeting.

My thoughts exactly Rothko. McCain, when interviewed after last years Supreme, said he always knew he would be better on better ground. He is one of about 5 that "could" win this year's CH. Darlan, Grandouet, Zarkandar, ROR, C&A. I doubt CM is one of them. Stats also tell you HF won't win either

Darlan was in the supreme last year so not sure how bad it was given the current CH betting
i know the supreme wasnt a fast time but neither might the champion hurdle this year if there is no early pace
I'm assuming peddlers cross goes the world hurdle unless very soft and presumable C&A would wait for Aintree

There might have been a bit of value (and a bit is all I am giving) at 50/1 but at 25s and below CM represents no value whatsoever. There is no point backing him if he can't win the betfair so you might as well take the betfair hurdle win and then have the lot on at a shorter price. If he doesn't win the betfair he probably won't even run in the champion. He has improve a chunk on any known form.

pricewise can't win,the guy is just trying to point out a wee bit of value,sadly the bookies don't give us much scope for that,he probably doesn't think cm will win but at this stage with his way of thinking he doesn't have much choice,anyway ror will beat zarkandar,grandouet 3rd,how's that for a tip,a wee trifecta!!!

Barton
How can you make those comments? we have it rammed down our neck what a great tipster he is and your saying hes tipping something in the trade paper he doesnt think will win.... Please!!!

maybe we should start a thread on here come festival time and take him on?
We all have the same number of selections per race that hes had and see who shows the best profit!!!!