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KING GEORGE/LEXUS and the GOLD CUP and Bobs Worth
KING GEORGE/LEXUS and the GOLD CUP and Bobs Worth
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To be fair to Bobs Worth, there was a world of difference in the 2 races. The 2012 Hennessy was a race of pure class, 2nd and 3rd coming 1st and 3rd in the Lexus but Denman beat that very slow animal of Hobbs who needed 4 miles in the mud from what I can remember. Top handicaps have become a lot tougher since that win and, in fairness to Denman, trainers rarely entered horses with his rating in handicaps but he showed it could be done.
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what will be of concern is the liklihood of him missing this weekend's prep race at Cheltenham.
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He didn't look like he lacked a run in The Hennessy when he was well clear of First Lieutenant. Wouldn't bother me in the slightest.
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Other than denman how was the last hennessywinner to win GC?
Maybe thats a more important stat. |
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prob BURROUGH HILL LAD for the cry baby
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Any reason why a Hennessy winner can not win a gold cup? Particularly when the Hennessy runner up wins one of the two major trials.
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nope,no reason all
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No reason just a poor trial.
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It's just like any other race imo. You just need to see how the horses who competed in it run in races afterwards and judge the merits on that. I do agree that generally the horses who compete in the race will be below Gold Cup standard but there are exceptions and judging by what happened in the lexus this is one of them.
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I think BHL won the Hennessey after he had won the GC. The last winner (pre Denman) would probably be Bregawn. But so what. |
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If anything the king george was the poor gold cup trial
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yep,exactly right.
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Full of non stayers, the King George. Anyone who thinks the Hennessy was a poor trial need to visit the Sporting Life website and see the 3 horses who fought out the finish then visit the ATR website and watch the end of the Lexus Chase. Failing that just pick up a form book.
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Yes booster,but it dont fit the trends mate.
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imo if you ran the lexus 4 times you would have 4 diferent winners, it was a great race to watch, and i feel the hennessey should TB run will give us more information
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So he can't win then? Stats and trends are not to be taken literally and are constantly changing. Best Mate coudn't win 3 Gold Cups, French breeds couldn't win Nationals but eventually trends change. That's really the definition of a trend. The 2 races either on the wrong track or too close to Cheltenham for a horse whose trainer says he's better with a gap between races.
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Course he can win,and running in the Hennessey and not the Lexus or KG will not be the reason if he dont.
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OK, Buddeliea, but i'm not a trends man, as you've probably guessed. Which ones doesn't he fit? Or were you being ironic towards other posts? Sorry, I've been posting while working so may nave missed some banter.
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i aint trends person either booster,never have been,never will be.
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and the answer is you can win the Gold Cup without a prep run in the Lexus or King George...! Great achievement by the yard.
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and the answer is you can win the Gold Cup without a prep run in the Lexus or King George...! Great achievement by the yard.
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Yep,if you have a proven stayer, thats proven at Cheltenham, and has probably the best form going in to the race,you dont need to have run in the King George or the Lexus,or had a prep run.
You do need an exceptional horse though,and Bobsworth is certainly that,and could well run up a sequence of Gold Cups,such is his complete suitability to Cheltenham,and his ability to jump and outstay his opposition. He looks pretty much unbeatable on his day imo. |
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Have to say I was thinking the same Bud. Bobs Worth not be as flashy or brilliant as Kauto or Denman but does seen incredibly suited by the course and the race conditions. My only concern with him is how many tough races can such a small horse take? So far so good but, he seems tough as nails and hopefully stays that way but he rarely has an easy race, perhaps running him sparingly is the way to go ala Best Mate
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Yes resner,think you right there mate,can see him running 2 maybe 3 races a season maximum.
Hes proved he can manage with 2,so fair enough. That way they have more chance of keeping him sound for future seasons,which does seem a popular theme with some trainers now. In Bobsworth's case, as you say mate,sparingly could well be the way to go. |
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Very difficult to see any of the horses he beat yesterday or any of this season's novices being good enough or strong enough sayers to beat him next season if they can keep him sound. That was a performance of real power and class from 3 out.
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Yep totally agree,although have to give SC another chance as he fell when still going well.
Also the ground had a bearing on things,and it would have affected SDC chances of winning somewhat,so on better ground he could challenge Bob.Having said that BG said Bob werent really enjoying the ground,so looks like he would be even better on better ground!! All in all my conclusion is Bob is the best around at 3m - 3m plus at Cheltenham,and the only horses i can see challenging him are SDC,SC and Al Ferof if he comes back ok,although of course he has to show us he stays. |
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Cue Card i should add is another that could figure,as im sure he will be given another chance to see if he stays 3m.
This time on decent ground rather than the bog at Kempton last xmas. Gut feeling is he will be a 2-2m and a half horse at his optimum,but he deserves another go at staying further imo. |
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On better ground I think Sir Des Champs would get the trip better but surely Bob's Worth would improve by at least the same. As for Cue Card, he was brilliant in the Ryanair but wouldn't't really fancy slogging it out in the last 2 furlongs of a Gold Cup.
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