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Dodging Bullets
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will have to disagree on this one budd...how have we seen the best of him ran a blinder in open company on ground he didn't like...gave weight and a beating to older horses at cheltenham when he had to make his own running...will love better ground and is a mere 5 year old...he may not have to improve that much to take this imo
I may get ridiculed but am not sure how good the irish novices are excluding the mud lark pont alexandre. I must be the only one that is not that keen on the jezki horse although I think ned buntline can become a real good horse given time... puffin billy looks very likely to go to the other race i'd say but we will see just don't know with him without knowing his target...will talk about him when we know he is a runner very difficult to assess these novices who have been running on bottomless ground so far this season |
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thats why i said visually,i'm aware of the form.
Potential applies to novices that are improving,i dont feel DB has much improvement compared to some of the others. I did say i may be wrong!! |
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no worries Harry,we have to disagree on here,otherwise we would have nobody to back with!!
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Dodging Bullets will be a huge surprise to many. He desperatly needs a fast pace, Nicholls has said it twice that's why he wanted to run him in Christmas Hurdle, a Grade 1 open company race. Unfortunately it was a farce pace. He was pulling hard very very hard as they were going no pace. Yet he still got 3rd. Impressive.
Watch last years Triumph. His 2nd ever start and the only time he's had a proper gallop. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgwxx5Mz96w Now with plenty of hurdling experience and the huge advantage of Cheltenham festival experience too. He looks a great bet. Ruby on his back too. All good. |
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one quick question budd how much do you feel dodging bullets has to improve in lbs?? to win a supreme and this looks an average one so far...to me not a lot and better ground will sort that
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hard to say Harry,he may be good enough now mate,it just depends weather my thoughts on Jezki and PB and to a lesser extent River M are accurate or not.If they are they are different class,if not ive lost.
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By the way,i dont rate the xmas hurdle at all.
None of them imo will be anywhere near winning at the festival. |
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one other thing which I said on the supreme thread a couple of months ago any horse that can run in lane 8 with the choke out and still hold every chance on a far more demanding track in the triumph on his second start has to be a good horse
the supreme is run on a less demanding track and the triumph was seriously hot triumph for me... anyway am pizzing on but will continue to take the 14's as feel he is tremendous value in a race I believe he is the best horse, my only worry has always been his temperament but he is growing up all the time and is hoped he is man for the job come march |
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Better ground??
oops,said i would not get into all that again  |
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Interesting but out of DB's race at Cheltenham, I'd prefer Court Minstrel especially at the respective prices. Showed neat acceleration around the final turn and great resolution after being baulked on only his 2nd hurdle run
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His current rating of 156 is 8lbs higher than anything in last year's Supreme (Darlan and Steps were 148 going into that).
Nicholls has mentioned several times that chasing is this fellas long term game - will probably be one of his top guns for the Arkle |
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yep,hes another i think could well improve past him,and actually at the prices hes worth a dabble i think.
Running Sat at Sandown i believe. |
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Sorry Harry can't agree with the hot triumph comment. The race was pretty terrible, massive bunch coming to the last.
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I'm thinking about it too but find the Saturday entry off putting - thoughts?
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well if he wins his price goes,so need to back him if you think hes running a big race.
Dont really like the Tolworth as a supreme trial,without looking i cannot tyhink of many winners that have gone on to the Supreme and ran big races,normally won by staying types aint it? Silverburn won it one year |
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I also think that Court Minstrel came out of the Cheltenham race in November at least as good as anything else. He was held up of a slow pace & also meet trouble on the run in. The 33s with the VC Bet concession, looks more than fair compared to the prices of River Maigue & Dodging Bullets. I suspect he would be alot shorter if trained by Nicholls or Henderson.
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Defo not in last 10 years anyway.
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That's my point budd, if he wins do they not point him at Neptune?
The books have him shorter for the Neptune, but one here its the other way round. Personally think the Supreme would suit him better |
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What a disparity between the likes of DB and court minstrel, court minstrel is a right powerful traveller through his races and before turning in was still tugging, in a supreme I reckon the pace will suit him right down to the ground, the worry is moloney not presenting him at his hurdles too good, at the last at cheltenham, he pretty much sat still on him and the horse took a right whack from his left and lost lengths and momentum, he finished very strong up the hill though....a strong traveller like him him in the supreme is a big plus and I suppose 33's takes the moloney factor into account.
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well hes one of a few that could end up in either race,may use the VC offer and back him in supreme at 33/1.
fair chance he may not run on Sat,and the meetings in a bit of doubt as well. |
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He's a strong traveller and pulls, you couldn't risk him over the extra distance where he would bump into tough old stayers...he'd run out of petrol....he's pacey.
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I started following racing round 2006 and in the the 8 Festivals since I've never backed the winner of the Supreme. The closest I came was with Granit Jack. However I do love this race and the build up to it. It's probably helped somewhat by the Irish banker traditionally splitting opinion (Sweet Wake, Cousin Vinny, Dunguib). Not sure if Jezki fits that bill this season?
Anyway, I really like Dodging Bullets for this race. I suppose you can understand some people's points of view that he might be short of top class (good horses shouldn't be novices for two consecutive seasons). But in fairness to this one, he ran two races full of promise last season and then one which can be wrote-off on account of him being badly hampered. Based on trainer comments and his Triumph hurdle run, I think he's going to be happiest in a big field off a fast pace. He should get that at Cheltenham. I like him. I would acknowledge though that all Supreme contenders haven't emerged until maybe the start of March (Ebaziyan, Binocular, Trifolium, Go Native, Spirit Son, Sprinter Sacre are just a few that I can remember not arriving into the Supreme picture until sometime in January or February). |
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Braze Inca
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I think sausalito bay was the last one i backed that won
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^^^ was thinking about him today never won again assume he is retired
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Cinders and Ashes
was the last one i backed, in fact thinking about it, ive backed the winners of the last 3 renewals Al Ferof, Menorah included  So far, Jezki 8/1, MTOY 10/1 + 20/1 and DB 14/1 are in my portfolio HOWEVER  SoYouThink 04 Jan 13 20:29 Joined: 14 Jun 11 | Topic/replies: 422 | Blogger: SoYouThink's blog I started following racing round 2006 and in the the 8 Festivals since I've never backed the winner of the Supreme. |
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Oh and not forgetting puffin billy to win any race at the festival at 6/1
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Cinders and Ashes was the last one i backed, in fact thinking about it, ive backed the winners of the last 3 renewals Al Ferof, Menorah included
WAC |
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What does WAC mean roobuck
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I'll leave it to others to tell you - suffice it to say its not complimentary.
Out of order to come on trying to show how clever you think you are in comparison with others - even repeating their post. You've already backed 4 this year and most likely have backed at least 10 by the time of the race. Getting a winner out of 10 darts isn't that brilliant. |
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STSN1
can see you ending up on the aftertimers thread,with that post! |
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WAC - guessing its what a c***
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Oh sugar, yes, i see now, i forgot, or rather got complacent as to the reason why i stopped posting on here for as long as i did in the past and just read. In that no one can understand and congratulate someone elses good fortune without ridicule or jealousy! I wont say anymore on the matter, apart from this, i was not being out of order at all it was a mere good humored post in that i probably will miss this years winner as i maybe thinking along the same lines as the above poster when selecting my selections! Nothing at all wrong with that. Oh just one more thing, so fecking what if i want to back 10 horses in a race at the festival with a combined under round of less than 100% each way? Ever since i started staking in the manner, the week of the festival has always been a very profitable one! Maybe others should follow in these footsteps perhaps instead of trying to back one horse per race and then coming on with jealous remarks such as the aftertiming cr@p
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Oxygen required Duffy as i had a monster bet on a horse called Best Mate in Sausalitos race.
Thought i was on an absolute gift then that bugger did me.Needless to say i never followed my horse up again........................ffs  but turned out to be a gudun |
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Fcking County Hurdle. Can never even got close to winning that fcking race. I'll probably never back the winner of it. Only ever had 1 winner of Triumph, Albert Bartlett, Pertempts & Plate. So not big fans of those races. Never had the Grand Annual winner either actually. Some races you just have bad luck in isn't it.
 Anyway Supreme is a race not to lose your balls on, just be sure to come out of it with no scars. It's the first race after all, no piling into a Dunguib or Cue Card fav type |
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Denman is my only RSA winner. Jaysus just realised that. What a shocking record that is.
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Aye got a bad record myself in dem handicaps, can never get them right, backed winner of them i think only when theres been a massive gamble on summink, just had a small wager on it, (cos its the festival after all) after missing the big prices lol. Of the championship races, my least fav' has to be the RSA, shocker in that, don't think ive ever had the winner
in fact, ive just looked on wikipaedia, and i had bobs last year but only one ever! Though admitedly, just like my mate, i do like to lay the shorties in them kind of races on here with a bad record for short priced fav's. The RSA and supreme both fit that bill of fav's at sp sub 2/1 that lose |
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Hoping for a big Court Minstrel run today on ground I imagine he will hate
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just watched last years triumph hurdle and was very impressed with the way he travelled and jumped in the race just got to the front to soon imo but ran ok to line,this year the horse has had to make the running in small fields on bad ground which obv hasnt suited cause he travelled like the winner for long way in the triumph just off the pace,they always go a good gallop in this race and at 14s is a great e/w bet compared to jezki at 4s if u got alot bigger fair play to u but no value in him now and if u havent watched last years bumper watch it again wasnt very keen on the hill after the bend didnt find much but hey horses improve with age and has looked good this year but at the prices dodging bullets is a big price with the best form on offer, course an distance what more do u want
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