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Is this another nail in the coffin for Horseracing Ante post betting
Is this another nail in the coffin for Horseracing Ante post betting
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pollybournemouth
Joined: 06 Feb 10 Replies: 164 18 Dec 12 11:06 Roger i agree with all you say what are your reasons for racecourses closing The market finding a sustainable level of commercial interest, sectional interest within the sport of racing (to the point where compromise is seen s surrender), asinine marketing and the fixed costs associated with a huge lumpen asset for starters. Ante-post betting would come about 756th on my list. |
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Well look fair enough Roger - clearly i'm the only person on betfair that thinks this way or the rest are gutless ! My final point is IMO anyone betting on horseraces ante-post is a total mug - How could ANYONE bet on a Cheltenham race with this happening and not getting a wake up call is a fool
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I don't believe the falling popularity in horse racing has anything to do with antepost betting. Its just an unfortunate sign of the times. Years ago, if you wanted a bet, horse racing and greyhound racing were the only real options; now football, other sports and those awful FOBT machines are easier options to the new punter, as they understand them a lot better. I don't know about everyone else, but I assume this is quite common: I got into betting on horses and then became a fan of the sport shortly afterwards, when I learned more about it. In my opinion the problem is that most young people now won't bet on horse racing (and therefore never get into the sport), because they already know about football, or understand how a roulette wheel works.
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pollybournemouth 18 Dec 12 11:42 Joined: 06 Feb 10 | Topic/replies: 168 | Blogger: pollybournemouth's blog
Well look fair enough Roger - clearly i'm the only person on betfair that thinks this way or the rest are gutless ! My final point is IMO anyone betting on horseraces ante-post is a total mug - How could ANYONE bet on a Cheltenham race with this happening and not getting a wake up call is a fool Forgive me if im wrong,But did you not just say you backed Big Bucks Ante post? |
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Yes he did CheltenhamRoar and then wrote that it wont stop him. Ante Post betting is not a mugs game at all you just need your horse to avoid bad luck.
Ante Post that paid off for me Numbersixvalverde 25-1GN Newmill 33-1 CC This year CHDL Countrywide Flame 40s Where its gone wrong Lothario Derby it never saw a racecourse Workforce 33-1 2000Gs never ran but won the Derby but I never backed it Ante Post. |
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I expect Lothario was a big success at stud though?
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"My final point is IMO anyone betting on horseraces ante-post is a total mug"
Don't agree at all. In general people gamble much less then normal on AP bets due to their high risk nature. It's all about money management. Where else can you back a horse @ 20/1 or more for a race, which subsequently turns out to be 2/1 fav on the day. I do about 20 horses AP (not NRNB) a year for Cheltenham (same stake)and on average 20% of my bets are void come race day. That leaves me with 16 horses at prices much higher then SP. After laying off these bets the most i lose are the 4 void bets which can be covered easily with 1 winner or a couple of places. It's priceless fun and excitement as you are watching your horses running for months beforehand. GLTY |
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*on average 20% of my bets are void come race day.
My math was off a tad. It's more like 25-30%, but you get my drift. GL. |
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This could end up rivaling the after timers thread for this years BF comedy award,Thanks OP for the laughs i needed some today :D
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as an ante post backer i am used to and expect a small percentage of my bets to not make the gig ! but a few big priced winners make up for it ! its part and parcel of the game ,i love the challenge of trying to find big priced horses sometimes many months before a race ,bit like stepping into a boxing ring ! you are going to have to take a few hits , my brother in law a non gambler saw me lose a fair amount on an ante post bet that got scratched and said if it was me i would have the hump for days after that ,he asked how long will it take me to get over it ,about 30 seconds i said ,if ya cant take the hits ya shouldnt be in the game !
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^ Exactly.
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Spot on Foyles.
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Horses will always get injured, that will never change. What does give ante post betting a bad name, is when horses are listed in markets that have been retired or sometimes even dead.
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 I love how polly calls anyone who bets antepost a mug after saying she has bet ante post, It just about sums this thread up.To say ante post betting is driving punters away from horse racing is ridiculous. The vast majority of ante post punters are regular gamblers who know the game inside out. You know when your putting an antepost bet on that their is a great deal of risk involved with it and that their is no guarantee your horse will make it to cheltenham/the national/the derby injury free. I backed Neptune Collones to win the national at 50/1 last year in January. The only thing that annoyed me most was that he went off as high as 33/1 on the day! There is nothing that matches the enjoyment though of having a big antepost bet come in. |
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interesting thread...well nothing that has been said I disagree with, that is ante post racing i am afraid...
I know a lot on here ridiculed the thread i put up on the other ante post site but am definitely more careful now where I place my money ante post as don't believe there is the value people perceive in the markets...for example big bucks was 4-6 ante post all last year and was 1.85 on the day for me those taking 4-5 on big bucks need there heads taking, don't take offense to this polly as isn't a dig its just that waiting 5 months to try and pick up 80 pounds just isn't good betting and certainly not for me because the returns are so little and skill minimal... he isn't a 2-7 shot on the day either he maybe in your head but a lot can happen with horses improving and obviously what has happened here. I'm just gutted I hadn't taken the 27 on smad place... yes he has won the last 3 years at varying prices but all short and there will be good 4-5 shots running each week that make far more appeal if that is your thing... what i will say is betting on the week of racing ante post is now betting I don't believe in...there is no value left and why risk your money on a potential non runner which is the same and if not nearly the same on the day give or take a point of advantage...the thieves eek every last ounce from the markets and rightly so... ante post will never die though as people love trying to get the perceived edge on singles and also trying to win the shop on a life changing acca...the risks are high though as the chaos in the RSA market will tell you... much more pain to come that is for sure this is just the beginning...but others will love it...big bucks layers for sure i'm still having the stitches removed from my rather sore bottom, from backing michel le bon in the hennessy...it tames lions this game |
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^ Good post Harry - and it's not often I say that
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