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According to Nicholls in betfair column.devastating news

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By:
buddeliea
When: 17 Dec 12 18:03
Gutted!!!
Was really looking forward to seeing how Al Ferof fared this season.Not many bets,but i was quiet excited with my 85 for the Gold Cup!!
Oh well.
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Dec 12 18:04
This really is desperate news. I'm afraid it sounds like it could be something far more significant for the stable in general, I really hope not Sad
By:
SN02
When: 17 Dec 12 18:09
Hope they are ok , I wonder what it could be ?
Will thecwondervmare go for the world hurdle ?
By:
Howdi
When: 17 Dec 12 18:13
accident in the stables possibly??
By:
Leonardo
When: 17 Dec 12 18:15
Andy Stewart has said Big Bucks has a tiny tear in one of his legs apparently
By:
Stake & Chips
When: 17 Dec 12 18:16
Dan Chipowski 17 Dec 12 19:07 
Racing Post ‏@Racing_Post
Big Buck's owner Andy Stewart: "He has a tiny tear in one of his legs, so the best way is to let nature heal that."


^^^^ From main forum.
By:
Howdi
When: 17 Dec 12 18:17
bloody heck what a shame
By:
Leonardo
When: 17 Dec 12 18:17
Unbelievably bad luck to lose 2 such high profile horses at the same time
By:
buddeliea
When: 17 Dec 12 18:21
God knows what they have found thats wrong with them,2 horses at the same time!! just hope they are both able to recover well and come back.
By:
wellchief
When: 17 Dec 12 18:24
Terrible news.

I think this is the first year that I haven't doubled everything up with Bucksy, so dodged the bullet there.

Smashes the World Hurdle wide open.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 17 Dec 12 18:24
same here budd 85s and a lot of 80s gold cup , still only money , hope the horses make good recovery , losing crystal bonus was a blow for nicholls and connections on sat.
By:
wellchief
When: 17 Dec 12 18:26
Could have implications for Oscar Whisky as well, as it'll be a lot easier to get the trip with no machine to pass.
By:
chelters16
When: 17 Dec 12 18:28
Sickener for PN + connections the festival will be the worse without AF+the mighty BB,but thats the nature of the game.
By:
R Carver
When: 17 Dec 12 18:30
I echo that Wellchief. I think this may make the decision for NJH (the vibes have been suggested a 2nd crack at BB anyway). I think Peddlars Cross may prove the more formidable stayer, if he returns in good health.

Whatever the case, this is bad news. Big Bucks the best horse in training IMO (either code) for some yrs so this is awful. Lets hope its not so bad and both return sooner rather than later.
By:
buddeliea
When: 17 Dec 12 18:31
Well World Hurdle becomes a completely different race with no BB,gonna affect a few horses if he dont make it.

As for OW,it will probably depend on the ground,if its decent they might be tempted to have another go,if its soft he would have another go at the CH i reckon.
By:
sageform
When: 17 Dec 12 18:33
Once again, the first run of the season is the one that exposes any weakness in a horses legs. It is very sad but all too common that the best NH horses end up with tendon trouble. Human athletes are no different. The faster you run the more likely you are to get injured.
By:
wellchief
When: 17 Dec 12 18:35
Yep, World Hurdle could now turn into a hell of a race.

Possibly Oscar, Peddlers, 1000 Stars and if they ever wanted Quevega to win a proper race at the festival, then this is it.
By:
GoldCupWinner
When: 17 Dec 12 18:37
I think OW and Thousand Stars definitely paid the price trying to put it up to Big Bucks this year given how the other two placed horses where ridden. I was shocked to see Thousand Stars toiling and seeminly looking a non stayer since he seems to stay further when ran in France. Can't think off the top of my head any up and coming 3m hurdlers from last year.
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 17 Dec 12 18:39
opens up for ruby for silvinio or  sir des champs for king george now !
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 17 Dec 12 18:41
nicholls will want a fancied runner in the k.george silviniarco?
By:
FOYLESWAR
When: 17 Dec 12 18:42
nicholls will want a fancied runner in the k.george silviniarco?
By:
wellchief
When: 17 Dec 12 18:47
Similar to the Kauto issue last year, this once again shows how good the Nicholls staff are imo.

No big drift on Big Bucks, no stable staff or insiders mopping up all the money as far as I can see.

If BB or Al Ferof were in certain other yards, they would have cleaned up!
By:
R Carver
When: 17 Dec 12 18:55
I agree (again) WC. Nicholls should have been more open after Kauto's fall, but at least his price was stable and (I think) not subject to gross profiteering.
By:
Tory
When: 17 Dec 12 19:03
awful news, feel so sorry for all of the connections. Had both in my Ten to Follow and was in top 250 so there that goes, and really fancied Al Ferof for the KG. Had £15 @ 40's - was really excited for Boxing Day with that little bet.

Just hope they both make it back safe and sound and credit to Nicholls for getting the news out so quickly.
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Dec 12 19:04
foyles, silviniaco won't be ready to run surely? If they wanted to keep him fresh they will have backed off after the betfair
By:
Stake & Chips
When: 17 Dec 12 19:04
SC been scratched it appears Cry

Schoolboy error from PFN not to leave all options open.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 17 Dec 12 19:05
Tidal Bay could be re-routed from Lexus - especially if it keeps raining which looks likely
By:
Stake & Chips
When: 17 Dec 12 19:06
TB also not left in...
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Dec 12 19:09
My opinion on PFN could not have changed more over the last week.

Having been annoyed at his petulance over Kauto, to respect over his humilty on Saturday interview, to admiration of his undoubted training ability and now sadness to this crushing blow following on from Cristal Bonus.

Like others have said, also says a lot about the stable that news came out before the betfair markets knew.

Wishing connections all the best
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Dec 12 19:09
My opinion on PFN could not have changed more over the last week.

Having been annoyed at his petulance over Kauto, to respect over his humilty on Saturday interview, to admiration of his undoubted training ability and now sadness to this crushing blow following on from Cristal Bonus.

Like others have said, also says a lot about the stable that news came out before the betfair markets knew.

Wishing connections all the best
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 17 Dec 12 19:09
yep - got Cristal Bonus, Al Ferof and Kauto Stone entered only
By:
CheltenhamRoar
When: 17 Dec 12 19:16
SadCry
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 17 Dec 12 19:16
Gutted for the loss of both horses especially Big Bucks especially in a year without Kauto and the retirement of Frankel, racing needs these superstar horses. Al Ferof will certainly be missed this season and hurts PN chances of retaining the trainers championship.

Just really hope we see BB back in training!
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 17 Dec 12 19:17
feel bad for connections - thought Bucksy was bombproof - not normally one or conspiracy theories but does seem strange beyond coincidence that arguably the two highest profile horses in the stable were both found to have a problem at the same evening stables.

More to follow no doubt.
By:
CheltenhamRoar
When: 17 Dec 12 19:22
Rite of passage will be aimed at WH now
By:
roobuck
When: 17 Dec 12 19:32
Got to be a chance that's where Quevega will go as well?
By:
CheltenhamRoar
When: 17 Dec 12 19:36
Think i just read she's now 7/2 for the WH
By:
Glossy
When: 17 Dec 12 19:37
Awful news for Nicholls just as things seemed to be picking up.
By:
ReaseHeath
When: 17 Dec 12 19:43
reading the owner quotes on RP site, I'd be very careful about the World Hurdle, 'tiny tear, unlikely,probably, let nature take it's course, G1 in three months not my style'

Al Ferof looks more definitive for this season unfortunately.

Looks like it is just a horrible coincidence, so sad after events of last week and Cristal Bonus.
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