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Mr Eboue
21 Oct 12 16:58
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and will go back hurdling according to Alan Lee.
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Report Howdi October 21, 2012 5:24 PM BST
thanks for that Eboue we knew that 6 months ago Sad
Report strontium October 21, 2012 7:16 PM BST
Was anything said about which races he's likely to take in and when he'll meet Big Buck's?

Could be an interesting contender if last season hasn't left a mark. The World Hurdle could be a quality race this year with BB, Voler la Vadette, Peddlers as probables and Rite of Passage, Simenon and Quevega as possibles (though all perhaps unlikely).
Report Mr Eboue October 21, 2012 7:36 PM BST
Surely to God they wouldn't run Quevega in the stayers?

Weld said this morning that Rite of passage's main target will be the Ascot gold cup.
Report CheltenhamRoar October 21, 2012 7:40 PM BST
i genuinely fear they've messed this horse up,He didn't look like he was in love with the game at all last season,He's had quite a few bruising races for a horse his age,Sending him back over hurdles is last resort stuff imo,No one can tell me this horse is not a chaser by looking at him and his breeding just screams chaser,i really hope im wrong as he's one of my favourites,So if he disappoints in his first few hurdle races then what??

if he were mine id keep him over fences and step him up to 3 miles over the bigger obstacles.He may have just been wrong last season.id rather see them try him over 3 miles over fences than go back hurdling with him,it's just silly.
Report strontium October 21, 2012 8:02 PM BST
I'm sure Quevega will run in the Mares, but she could run in the WH 2 days later? She probably won't run before the Festival so she'd be fresh. It's not that uncommon for Irish horses. However, that's probably wishful thinking because Q v BB is a race I'd love to see.

Weld also said that RoP might run in the WH on his way to the Ascot GC - it didn't do him any harm the year he won it after running in the Neptune.

Cheltenham - you're right last season could very easily have messed up Peddlers - but they are peculiar creatures and sometimes a change makes a massive difference.
Report duffy October 21, 2012 8:03 PM BST
bung solwhit into the stayers mix too, he's starting out back ovr urdles in any case.
Report duffy October 21, 2012 8:03 PM BST
over hurdles
Report CheltenhamRoar October 21, 2012 8:09 PM BST
Lets hope the break has freshened him up,But i still feel he's a chaser,Hopefully they'll send him back chasing in the not too distant future.
The 3 mile chasers dont look a strong bunch this season (Compared to previous seasons) although a few of last seasons novices could soon change that if they step up this season,peddlers could still be a gold cup horse IF they get him back to his old self.
Report strontium October 21, 2012 8:14 PM BST
The 3 mile chasers could be very strong if Grands Crus, Flemenstar, Sir des Champs, Bobs Worth, Last Instalment and First Lieutenant continue to progress and Long Run holds his form. Kauto and Imperial Commander may still have a hand in some of the big races pre-Gold Cup. Finians Rainbow and Riverside Theatre are top class horses stepping up in trip. I'm really looking forward to that division this season.

I agree there's no Kauto/Denman type superstar at this stage but there could be by the end of the season. Novices don't always progress (see the 2011 RSA!) but I have a very good feeling about the crop going in to their second season now.
Report rhinestone October 21, 2012 8:19 PM BST
Sorry CheltenhamRoar but your completley wrong with Peddlers. He is a lovely neat hurdler, in no way is he a chaser. I cannot believe the way Donald talked him up last season as being a class chaser.
Report CheltenhamRoar October 21, 2012 8:27 PM BST
Well now that you mention them,it's wetting the appetite already Grin
But as you say,Lets hope they make the step up,We could be in for a real cracker of they do.

rhinestone,you could be right,Just my opinion,But you cant say it was only his jumping that held him back last season surely?
Report wellchief October 21, 2012 8:28 PM BST
If he were mine, I'd go back down the Champion Hurdle route, and try and jump them into submission from the front (similar to Overturn tactics last year).

I can just see him leading from the front pinging them, trying to get them off the bridle behind.

McCain used to talk about his amazing speed, and as many have said, the 2m hurdling division isn't at it's strongest this year.
Report Howdi October 21, 2012 8:29 PM BST
Did he real fail at chasing -

2 x weak novices - won nicely jumped well.
Sprinter sacre - Got beaten by a possible great nno disgrace

Long absence 7 then ran one stinker

????
Report CheltenhamRoar October 21, 2012 8:31 PM BST
Howdi,Bang on the button there,Thats my point really,it would be different if he had an awful time over fences,But he didnt!
Far from it.
Report rhinestone October 21, 2012 8:34 PM BST
CheltenhamRoar:-

I know he didn't make any drastic mistakes etc.....but it just happens sometimes that horses, even though they have not appeared to jump badly, just don't take to the game. It is massively different from hurdling.
Report duffy October 21, 2012 8:39 PM BST
The worry was that when e ran at the festival he backed off the fences looking like he hated every second of it.
Report CheltenhamRoar October 21, 2012 8:47 PM BST
duffy,id suggest that was more a physical ailment,Given he missed a few months previous to cheltenham and was at one time doubtful to run at the festival.
Report tinkler October 28, 2012 2:52 PM GMT
Think he's a specialist 2m hurdler. He could win 2 1/2m hurdles on class grounds but put him in against the very best and I don't
think he quite stays.  There has to be every chance that he's wrenched his back muscles jumping fences last year and that he won't
be able to fully recover from it.
Report Howdi October 28, 2012 5:24 PM GMT
HIS BROTHER PEDDLERS CROSS IS A BETTER HOSS IMO
Report buddeliea October 28, 2012 5:26 PM GMT
nit picking mood today howdi?
Report Howdi October 28, 2012 6:18 PM GMT
Laugh bored.
Report racingguru October 28, 2012 9:17 PM GMT
I can't quite understand Peddlers Cross going back hurdling, For me its a question of whether the horse has had a serious injury or not. He jumped fantastic both his first two runs over fences looking a complete natural doing all the things you'd hope for in taking half strides, being accurate........ Then he gets stuffed by SS where he lost his rhythm early and SS just dictated it going right handed as well. Then he runs a dreadful race where he just seems wrong or injured. He wouldn't have won off 110 over hurdles that day.

From DMc's interview sounds like he hasn't got a clue what went wrong and puts it down to fences which plainly isn't the problem. If he's back over hurdles this year they'll think they are very smart but his opportunities there are far more limited than over fences.
Report flushgordon1 October 28, 2012 9:57 PM GMT
i think your wrong even at bangor which is not really difficult to jump he was just not jumping with the speed and fluency of hurdles,
yes he got from a to b but he was not lightening quick over the fences which you really have to be to be top class,
donald will get him right this season and if he says hurdles i would not argue.
Report racingguru October 28, 2012 10:49 PM GMT
I'd watch that Bangor run again if I were you. Very neat IMO. If you think winging fences is the only type of good jumping then Peddlers is not a good jumper but he reminded me of Panto Prince's efficiency over fences if you go back that far.
Report flushgordon1 October 29, 2012 5:51 PM GMT
i am glad to see mr mc cain agrees with me on his stable tour in the racing post guru.
Report Howdi October 29, 2012 5:52 PM GMT
elaborate flush will you..............
Report buddeliea October 29, 2012 6:01 PM GMT
horse looked shot to pieces end of last season

maybe hurdles will get him back to form,but i would not bet on him coming back whatever they do!!
Report racingguru October 29, 2012 8:57 PM GMT
Stopped thinking trainers knew best long time ago. It's served me well.
Report cufcno1 November 11, 2012 4:19 PM GMT
needs a breething op !
Report roobuck November 11, 2012 5:58 PM GMT
Official or your opinion?
Report cufcno1 November 12, 2012 8:18 AM GMT
got told a week before cheltenham off a rails bookmaker at carlisle races,mccain has never mentioned it but it stopped to a walk at cheltenham,id love to see it have another crack at the champion hurdle,if its back to its best !
Report Howdi November 12, 2012 3:29 PM GMT
went to a preview of the new season last night they reckon he's had his day/
Report cufcno1 November 12, 2012 4:20 PM GMT
thats a pity,one of my favs in nh,backed him to win a fortune in the champion hurdle last year and he ran an absolute cracker,the bloke that told me takes the bets off some of the owners in the yard !
Report sintonian November 12, 2012 5:31 PM GMT
are you talking about Peddlers?
Report Howdi November 12, 2012 5:59 PM GMT
what gave you that idea Sint ? Laugh
Report buddeliea November 12, 2012 6:04 PM GMT
he was 2nd in the race last year,guess that gives you an idea.
Report wellchief November 12, 2012 7:37 PM GMT
I'd love to see him back over 2 miles, at least have a go in the Fighthig Fifth to see how he gets on.  McCain has won his the last two years, so its obviously a race they target.  If he wins, great, stay down the 2 mile route, if he doesn't then they've got nothing to lose by going over 3.

I don't see the rush in putting straight over 3.

I do think he would get 3 miles though.  In his Neptune win, Reve De Sivola was travelling all over him turning for home and it looked for a few strides that Peddlers was treading water, but then flew up the hill.  Similar to his Champion Hurdle run, where approaching 2 out, there were others travelling better but he stayed on powerfully; so no doubt that his staying ability is one of his strengths.
Report ACStafford November 13, 2012 11:56 AM GMT
Seems a bit premature to give up chasing, but, if they're decided to go back to hurdles, surely they should be aiming him at 2m.
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