I really enjoyed the excellent discussion in a similar thread last year. Then it was "best horse" - strictly that would be Sprinter Sacre/Sizing Europe/Kauto Star/Bick Buck's/etc many weekends. I thought this time we might talk about the most interesting, or promising, horse we saw run.
I know it's only Saturday night, but I'm going to start with The New One. Won the Class 2, 21 f novice hurdle at Cheltenham on Friday. Beat the promising Village Vic by 3 l giving 5 lb with the other finishers (including 5 other hurdle winners) 20+ l back in a heap. Would have won at least a couple of lengths more had he not clipped the final hurdle. He hurdled a bit novicey - but could improve as this was only his second hurdle start (now 2 from 2). The horse came 6th in the Champion Bumper and won the Aintree Grade 2 bumper so probably has a bit of pace.
Not exactly a dark horse, but certainly one to watch this season imo and interesting for the Neptune.
I used to be a part owner in Cash & Go, and I'll never forget how impressive he was at Limerick in his bumper. Just p1ssed over us and the whole field. I'm hugely taken with the horse. I remember thinking we could beat him pre-race as well. Must have been the Guinness
Especially after such a lay off duffy.I used to be a part owner in Cash & Go, and I'll never forget how impressive he was at Limerick in his bumper. Just p1ssed over us and the whole field. I'm hugely taken with the horse. I remember thinking we coul
The two obvious ones are The New One and Sire Collonges.
The New one looks very good at the moment for The Albert Bartlet/Neptune at the minute. He needs to keep improving though and I don't think I'd take him yet at the prices for Cheltenham.
Sire Collonges I was very impressed with. He looked a natural chaser and jumped very well (apart from Ruby nearly getting unseated 2 out). He looks very good for the RSA and should continue to improve over fences. Has a very good trainer to school him over trainers and he's a very impressive 3mile chaser for the future. I know the form of his race Friday wasn't the strongest but I'm sure he has much more to offer and improvment in him.
Have to agree with the people who was not impressed by Dodging Bullets too. He did not look like he had much in hand and was getting 8lbs off his only real rival. Dodging Bullets is not a horse I will be following or looking out for with any great enthusiam this season when he comes out again against better horses.
The two obvious ones are The New One and Sire Collonges.The New one looks very good at the moment for The Albert Bartlet/Neptune at the minute. He needs to keep improving though and I don't think I'd take him yet at the prices for Cheltenham.Sire Col
I realise that the weekend is long gone but was quite taken by Houblon Des Obeaux in his first spin over fences today. He's been a big favourite of mine for a while. Didn't beat a great deal but looked neat and tidy in his jumping and retains the ability to run on late into the race to win by 11 lengths. He will come up against better I'm sure but with his decent record at Cheltenham, could be an interesting early one for the RSA; a race that seems to favour more dour, less flashy horses in recent years.
I realise that the weekend is long gone but was quite taken by Houblon Des Obeaux in his first spin over fences today. He's been a big favourite of mine for a while. Didn't beat a great deal but looked neat and tidy in his jumping and retains the abi
I think a few people have been a bit unfair on Dodging Bullets to be honest.
He was really green early on, and then just ran a little lazily in the mid part of the race. He was back on the bridle turning for home, and found plenty every time Ruby asked him a question. He pinged the last and pulled away going to the line - all a game of opinions but I thought he had quite a bit in hand.
Don't forget that he was still a maiden, and it was the first run of the season (remembering it was at HQ), and we are still very very early into the season.
I think a few people have been a bit unfair on Dodging Bullets to be honest.He was really green early on, and then just ran a little lazily in the mid part of the race. He was back on the bridle turning for home, and found plenty every time Ruby ask
When I say green, I meant that he was pulling quite a bit in the first few furlongs; even the best do that. Last year it took them a long time to get Sprinter to settle.
When I say green, I meant that he was pulling quite a bit in the first few furlongs; even the best do that. Last year it took them a long time to get Sprinter to settle.
Nothing against Dodging Bullets, but think he has to show a lot more than he showed on Saturday. The horse in 2nd was a horse rated in the 50s on the flat and it wasn't like Dodging Bullets was in control, it took him a long time to take control of the race even though he did always look the likely winner.
Agreed about Houblon Des Obeaux today too and he's a horse I really like. Was on him at 50s in the Pertemps at the festival. He is an out and out stayer though and not sure if he will be good enough for the RSA chase. If anything he seems like he will get better in time with another step up in trip over marathon trips like 3 and half to 4miles. He's a really impressive strong horse though who has a bright future as a chaser ahead of him. Maybe a Grand National horse?
Nothing against Dodging Bullets, but think he has to show a lot more than he showed on Saturday. The horse in 2nd was a horse rated in the 50s on the flat and it wasn't like Dodging Bullets was in control, it took him a long time to take control of t
Oh and obviously not until next season for the Grand National for Houblon as he's only 5 and still needs a lot more practice over fences. If he carrys on this way though he will more than likely be my first antepost bet for the 2014 Grand National :D
Oh and obviously not until next season for the Grand National for Houblon as he's only 5 and still needs a lot more practice over fences. If he carrys on this way though he will more than likely be my first antepost bet for the 2014 Grand National :D
For Non Stop was very impressive just then. Field might not have been te strongest but couldn't have won any easier, on that form would stand a decent chance in the Ryanair
For Non Stop was very impressive just then. Field might not have been te strongest but couldn't have won any easier, on that form would stand a decent chance in the Ryanair
Just took a little bit of the 33's for the Ryanair.
I'm amazed Paddy Power haven't shortened him after that.
Made the cardinal sin; was planning on backing him all week and then changed my mind and backed Noble Prince, who didn't go a yard.
Just took a little bit of the 33's for the Ryanair.I'm amazed Paddy Power haven't shortened him after that.Made the cardinal sin; was planning on backing him all week and then changed my mind and backed Noble Prince, who didn't go a yard.
yeh Stront,i have read that,but one only has to use their eyes to see hes a class act.
I really hope Al Ferof gets over the Arkle mistake,(think that scared him a tad),cos his form with FNS has had a nice boost there.
yeh Stront,i have read that,but one only has to use their eyes to see hes a class act.I really hope Al Ferof gets over the Arkle mistake,(think that scared him a tad),cos his form with FNS has had a nice boost there.
Did well to get 33/1 after that WC. Not surprised he's into 10's now.
In the past he's always seemed a horse thats run well without winning often, he looked a different horse today. Which could mean he's just improved a hell of a lot rather than paying much of a compliment to those who've beaten him previously.
Or if he's a similar level to before you could also read it as a pretty good compliment to Cue Card (and in turn Sprinter Scare - not that he needs any more!) as he beat easily enough For Non Stop 4l giving him 7 pounds.
Did well to get 33/1 after that WC. Not surprised he's into 10's now. In the past he's always seemed a horse thats run well without winning often, he looked a different horse today. Which could mean he's just improved a hell of a lot rather than payi
yeh,i am persistent a tad,but i will be keeping a close eye on AF this season,think we will know what sort of season hes gonnaa have pretty early on.
understand what you say re WThinking,but if they can keep him steady i feel he prefers being out in front.
yeh,i am persistent a tad,but i will be keeping a close eye on AF this season,think we will know what sort of season hes gonnaa have pretty early on.understand what you say re WThinking,but if they can keep him steady i feel he prefers being out in f
yeah budd think wishfull would rather be in front popping away ,out the back today and being pushed along , so in the circumstances not a bad effort . hobbs said he has had 3 breathing operations! although the winner did it well today !
yeah budd think wishfull would rather be in front popping away ,out the back today and being pushed along , so in the circumstances not a bad effort . hobbs said he has had 3 breathing operations! although the winner did it well today !
I will resist getting drawn in to an impressive williams first time out winner, will we see that level from him again this season, he was obviously hard fit for today whilst what else ran its race? on that run he would have been better off going straight to the PP!! didn't do any harm to cue card either did it.
I will resist getting drawn in to an impressive williams first time out winner, will we see that level from him again this season, he was obviously hard fit for today whilst what else ran its race? on that run he would have been better off going stra
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think we knew that Stront!!
disagree this is a massive compliment to Des Champs. and the 2nd hoss cc who should run in the paddy power imo
buddeliea 27 Oct 12 15:43 Joined: 19 Mar 04 | Topic/replies: 6,808 | Blogger: buddeliea's blog think we knew that Stront!! disagree this is a massive compliment to Des Champs. and the 2nd hoss cc who should run in the paddy power imo
For Non Stop was undeniably impressive today, but he's run 4 times at Chelt over 2.5 miles and been beaten every time. He's been placed but something always beats him. Wouldn't be keen to back him for either PP or Ryanair. I'd be tempted to enter him for the King George and see if he stays. They then have the option of Gold Cup or Ryanair depending on the outcome. Have backed him at big price for Gold so my pocket is talking.
For Non Stop was undeniably impressive today, but he's run 4 times at Chelt over 2.5 miles and been beaten every time. He's been placed but something always beats him. Wouldn't be keen to back him for either PP or Ryanair. I'd be tempted to enter
Masters Hill impressed me also today and he has little miles on the clock. He can make an impression this season. I believe this race will work out quite well and will throw up winners.
Masters Hill impressed me also today and he has little miles on the clock. He can make an impression this season. I believe this race will work out quite well and will throw up winners.
Not necessarily the most interesting but Mad Max ran well for a long way in only his second race within last 18 months - stable not in great form yet either. Would n't be surprised to see him pop up in a nice handicap or veterans chase at a decent price at some stage this season. May depend on what handicapper does to him after yday.
Not necessarily the most interesting but Mad Max ran well for a long way in only his second race within last 18 months - stable not in great form yet either. Would n't be surprised to see him pop up in a nice handicap or veterans chase at a decent pr
SDC could conceivably be 10 pounds better than anyone thought after yesterday . So when someone poster we knew that already - maybe not to the extent we know now
SDC could conceivably be 10 pounds better than anyone thought after yesterday . So when someone poster we knew that already - maybe not to the extent we know now
oh right howdi,sounded like you were saying i was wrong in saying we knew he was a class act before yesterday.
course he is chief, and also agree price is a bit short for GC,at this stage.
hes also a fair bet to improve any amount from novice season. could even be 10lb Howdi!!
oh right howdi,sounded like you were saying i was wrong in saying we knew he was a class act before yesterday.course he is chief, and also agree price is a bit short for GC,at this stage.hes also a fair bet to improve any amount from novice season.co
Okay For Non Stop but Stagecoach Pearl ran an impressive race for me.
Taken on for the lead by Mad Max, I thought Mad Max would win that little confrontation, but SP just bid his time and took it up again going into the back straight again. FNS was different gravy of course, but SP kept on when headed over a trip that's probabaly too far for him - be of real interest in a snmall field back at 2 miles.
Okay For Non Stop but Stagecoach Pearl ran an impressive race for me.Taken on for the lead by Mad Max, I thought Mad Max would win that little confrontation, but SP just bid his time and took it up again going into the back straight again. FNS was di
Puffin Billy for me today (bumper at Ascot). I'm not sure he beat much but he was carrying a penalty and beat two other bumper winners. what impressed me was the way he did it - effortlessly, at a hack canter. It was like watching a different species from the other runners.
I don't know if the plan is to go hurdling or stay in bumpers but he's certainly one to watch.
Puffin Billy for me today (bumper at Ascot). I'm not sure he beat much but he was carrying a penalty and beat two other bumper winners. what impressed me was the way he did it - effortlessly, at a hack canter. It was like watching a different species
Our Vinnie, mentioned on here as an unlucky loser after the last Cheltenham meeting has won the Grade 3 hurdle at Cork today. Some numbnut called festivalfanatic who thought connections would recoup losses soon and hasn't backed the feckin thing.......
Our Vinnie, mentioned on here as an unlucky loser after the last Cheltenham meeting has won the Grade 3 hurdle at Cork today. Some numbnut called festivalfanatic who thought connections would recoup losses soon and hasn't backed the feckin thing.....
Really like how this horse is progressing,Thought he done it really well in a tough little race yesterday,Wouldnt surprise me in the least if he's a Champion Hurdle horse come march.
Raya StarReally like how this horse is progressing,Thought he done it really well in a tough little race yesterday,Wouldnt surprise me in the least if he's a Champion Hurdle horse come march.
I was quite taken with Roberto Goldbacks run. I'd heard a whisper that he might be fully wound up this time out so fancied a good showing (stupidly put him in a double, which was beaten of course), and though they missed a fence or two he couldn't have made it look easier. Might be aimed at the national apparently?
I was quite taken with Roberto Goldbacks run. I'd heard a whisper that he might be fully wound up this time out so fancied a good showing (stupidly put him in a double, which was beaten of course), and though they missed a fence or two he couldn't ha
Yes, I believe Roberto has been bought with the National in mind.
Cufcno, I agree that was a good effort in the circumstances and the front 2 pulled well clear so the form could be pretty good. On the other hand My Tent or Yours didn't settle and didn't hurdle particularly well so he could improve a lot for the experience. To borrow a cliche, the horse clearly also has quite an engine.
Yes, I believe Roberto has been bought with the National in mind.Cufcno, I agree that was a good effort in the circumstances and the front 2 pulled well clear so the form could be pretty good. On the other hand My Tent or Yours didn't settle and didn
CheltenhamRoar - King still talking about chasing for Raya Star. Looks like the Greatwood (now RP) Hurdle next with a penalty. Maybe if he won that he'd stay hurdling til next season.
CheltenhamRoar - King still talking about chasing for Raya Star. Looks like the Greatwood (now RP) Hurdle next with a penalty. Maybe if he won that he'd stay hurdling til next season.
Glossy 24 Oct 12 19:05 I realise that the weekend is long gone but was quite taken by Houblon Des Obeaux in his first spin over fences today. He's been a big favourite of mine for a while. Didn't beat a great deal but looked neat and tidy in his jumping and retains the ability to run on late into the race to win by 11 lengths. He will come up against better I'm sure but with his decent record at Cheltenham, could be an interesting early one for the RSA; a race that seems to favour more dour, less flashy horses in recent years.
I'll go with this again
Glossy 24 Oct 12 19:05 I realise that the weekend is long gone but was quite taken by Houblon Des Obeaux in his first spin over fences today. He's been a big favourite of mine for a while. Didn't beat a great deal but looked neat and tidy in his
Good shout Glossy, was considering backing him yesterday but didn't. Trying to reduce my Saturday gambling.
He's certainly made an excellent start to his chasing career, and looks like 3 miles is his trip. My concern for the RSA is that he will only be 6, and could be a grueling race for a six year old.
The William Hill could be an option; Our Mick was a 6 year old novice chaser who placed in it last year, but Houblon is already rated in the early 140's.
Good shout Glossy, was considering backing him yesterday but didn't. Trying to reduce my Saturday gambling.He's certainly made an excellent start to his chasing career, and looks like 3 miles is his trip. My concern for the RSA is that he will only
Genuinely think he will continue to improve and get a place in the RSA. If he manages to do so whilst remaining under the radar, all the better
Think his mark will be too high come May chief. Genuinely think he will continue to improve and get a place in the RSA. If he manages to do so whilst remaining under the radar, all the better
Not sure that Overturn should necessarily be categorised as a 'flat' horse though despite his breeding. He's proved to be so versatile at the very top level in so many spheres, he's deserved the right not to be included in trends such as those. Wonderful horse with so many admirers.
Not sure that Overturn should necessarily be categorised as a 'flat' horse though despite his breeding. He's proved to be so versatile at the very top level in so many spheres, he's deserved the right not to be included in trends such as those. Wonde
With regards to Cheltenham and with the exception of Friday, I'd be reluctant to place too much store on the form from Saturday and today due to the ground and certainly won't be punting/laying horses for the Festival on the back of it.
With regards to Cheltenham and with the exception of Friday, I'd be reluctant to place too much store on the form from Saturday and today due to the ground and certainly won't be punting/laying horses for the Festival on the back of it.
Dynaste and Our Father both put up good performances 1st time last season - want to see them both follow up and out of the two I actually preferred Dynaste.
I liked Coneygree today.
Visually I actually thought Ifbutandwhynot's acceleration on poor ground in the handicap yesterday was as good as anything and will still be competitive of his new mark unless the handicapper goes loopy
Dynaste and Our Father both put up good performances 1st time last season - want to see them both follow up and out of the two I actually preferred Dynaste.I liked Coneygree today. Visually I actually thought Ifbutandwhynot's acceleration on poor gro
dont be too sure re the ground in March,weve had a lot of rain,and no doubt a lot more to come.its unusual to have ground like we did this weekend and its possible we could have a soft ground festival,and i for one am going to be real careful with my antepost bets.
dont be too sure re the ground in March,weve had a lot of rain,and no doubt a lot more to come.its unusual to have ground like we did this weekend and its possible we could have a soft ground festival,and i for one am going to be real careful with my
Was there Friday and Saturday and was very impressed with Dynaste. Travelled exceptionally well and put the race to bed very quickly when asked to. There's probabaly something that'll come out and beat him in the RSA (if he goes for it - who knows with the Pipe's?) a la last year's winner Grands Crus, but he looks very good Feltham material.
Wetlak may have got closer to the winner in the 2m Handicap chase, but for a peck on landing at the last. He'll win a 2m handicap chase before long.
I like the way Any Currency ran in the 3m3f Handicap Chase on Saturday. Thought his goose was cooked a long way from home but he just kept fighting. Horses like this can turn the form book upside down. Resolve carries a lot of weight in a horse for me.
Kazlian needs further. Travelling smoothly to 3 out but then got done for pace in the Greatwood. He's an Aga Khan-bred and stamina and sturdiness are usually the forte of HH-bred animals.
Was there Friday and Saturday and was very impressed with Dynaste. Travelled exceptionally well and put the race to bed very quickly when asked to. There's probabaly something that'll come out and beat him in the RSA (if he goes for it - who knows wi
captain conan and it was nice to see wishfull thinking handed a nice confidence booster, hope he gets back to those dazzling displays at the back end of his novice days.
captain conan and it was nice to see wishfull thinking handed a nice confidence booster, hope he gets back to those dazzling displays at the back end of his novice days.
Was about to post the same thing about WT, duffy. Like a few of Hobbs' horses, it hasn't really progressed from it's novice form but still has a lot of class about it. Let's hope that today's round of jumping (apart from the first) gives the horse a bit of confidence.
Was about to post the same thing about WT, duffy. Like a few of Hobbs' horses, it hasn't really progressed from it's novice form but still has a lot of class about it. Let's hope that today's round of jumping (apart from the first) gives the horse a
Agree that Dodging Bullets has a lot of promise. I said the same last month (see the the first page) but many didn't seem to agree.
Really like the horse and beat some decent sorts on Friday.
Agree that Dodging Bullets has a lot of promise. I said the same last month (see the the first page) but many didn't seem to agree. Really like the horse and beat some decent sorts on Friday.
Vasco Du Ronceray for me. Barry very easy on him after the last and the front two pulled miles clear of the rest. Travelled strongly and I think Far West was just a bit stronger up the hill, but these juveniles all improve at vastly different rates, and think there is a lot more to come.
Vasco Du Ronceray for me. Barry very easy on him after the last and the front two pulled miles clear of the rest. Travelled strongly and I think Far West was just a bit stronger up the hill, but these juveniles all improve at vastly different rates
Will need to see the Topspeed figure but visually the Dodging Bullets race was a slow run affair and everyone else was ridden to sleep by Ruby who won it well from the front.
Run With The Wind was given a typical Timmy Murphy 'out the back' ride - fine in a strong run race, but not in a tactical affair like this - but finished best of those held up. Not saying he's a world beater but one to keep an eye on.
Will need to see the Topspeed figure but visually the Dodging Bullets race was a slow run affair and everyone else was ridden to sleep by Ruby who won it well from the front.Run With The Wind was given a typical Timmy Murphy 'out the back' ride - fin
Hopefully you were on the bigger prices for The New One Stront when you put this thread up.
Beat asbsolutely nothing but it was hard not to be impressed with how he jumped and travelled. It looks like he'd stay the Albert Bartlett as well trip if they fancied that route, but surely all roads to the Neptune.
Hopefully you were on the bigger prices for The New One Stront when you put this thread up.Beat asbsolutely nothing but it was hard not to be impressed with how he jumped and travelled. It looks like he'd stay the Albert Bartlett as well trip if the
a horse who ive been watching closely this season is captain sunshine of emma lavelles , with his form reading 6r7f he was runnig a very good race today , and would have gone close , under a very tender ride , iam convinced when he gets good ground he will win a big prize
a horse who ive been watching closely this season is captain sunshine of emma lavelles , with his form reading 6r7f he was runnig a very good race today , and would have gone close , under a very tender ride , iam convinced when he gets good ground h