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Seems as though we have another disaster to add to your collection Ruby, I am of course referring to your ride on hurricane fly.
Your horse was the best in the race but you allowed the race to be dictated to you, consequently falling for the sucker punch, I couldn’t understand why you allowed your mount to be so far off the pace, I expected to see you no more than 3 lengths behind the leader, ideally in front serving it up to them. Surly you should adapt your riding tactics to suit the race taking into consideration distance, track, going, and size of field e.t.c.
You lost the race because you did not respect the other horses in the field; you thought you could pick them up when you wanted. I would urge you to watch videos of Barry Geraghty or AP Mcoy who tailor their riding to suit the variables I listed earlier.
I personally do not like small fields because I feel that the race is more likely to become a tactical affair, which brings me to the Arkle, Barry Geraghty did not allow himself to be caught up in a falsely run race, he served it up to them good and early and won the race three out.
Your horse was the best in the race but you allowed the race to be dictated to you, consequently falling for the sucker punch, I couldn’t understand why you allowed your mount to be so far off the pace, I expected to see you no more than 3 lengths behind the leader, ideally in front serving it up to them. Surly you should adapt your riding tactics to suit the race taking into consideration distance, track, going, and size of field e.t.c.
You lost the race because you did not respect the other horses in the field; you thought you could pick them up when you wanted. I would urge you to watch videos of Barry Geraghty or AP Mcoy who tailor their riding to suit the variables I listed earlier.
I personally do not like small fields because I feel that the race is more likely to become a tactical affair, which brings me to the Arkle, Barry Geraghty did not allow himself to be caught up in a falsely run race, he served it up to them good and early and won the race three out.
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Ruby says 'how many Champion hurdlers have you ridden'? 
pocket talking ? move on mardy ar$e, if you cant take the losers get out of the game its not for you
Just watched it again and it was a cr@p ride. He is paid an awful lot to get it right and he didnton the big day.
Looking at his rides on Al Ferof and Fly, can see Big Bucks not having many takers, a flat spot on this quick ground and a mistimed ride might do for him as well.
I agree Eric he definitely should have won on Al Ferof.
Yes to put in a good ride it has to be on the winner ... dimwits.
You think Hurricane Fly lost because of race tactics?
This was a horse who was made odds on (only one apart from Istabraq and Alderbrook in last 15 years) for a Champion Hurdle, probably because there was no scenario, slow pace or fast pace, ridden prominently or held up, that he could lose if he was on song.... which he clearly was not.
He was out of steam at the last. A state we have not seen him in for a very long time.
This was a horse who was made odds on (only one apart from Istabraq and Alderbrook in last 15 years) for a Champion Hurdle, probably because there was no scenario, slow pace or fast pace, ridden prominently or held up, that he could lose if he was on song.... which he clearly was not.
He was out of steam at the last. A state we have not seen him in for a very long time.
yer talking through your pocket seator,i backed the fly,simply not good enough on the day poss down to the ground
Anonymous forumite telling Ruby Walsh how to ride Cheltenham
OP is 100% correct,horse did not fire on the day anyway,so did not really matter,but to give the leaders a 15 length head start for 12f of a 2m race is pathetic,wakey wakey ruby,this is a championship race round cheltenham,not a 6 runner stroll in ireland,run the race again and even a not right HF may well have managed to scrape home or at worst finish 2nd,the biggest clue to knowing that ruby knew he rode a shocker on the fly was revealed in the mares race,when unlike last year,ruby did not sit way out the back and pick them off,he made sure he was not going to mess up twice in one day and had Quevega sat in about 7th and not far off the lead the whole way round,HF was the single most important ride of rubys season and he is paid big money to gety the job right,not balls it right up,
totally agree about Barry G aswell,trying to think of mistakes he has made and of the top of my head,cant think of any
totally agree about Barry G aswell,trying to think of mistakes he has made and of the top of my head,cant think of any
FormMan, Hurricane gave away 4 lengths at the gate and was never worse than 10 lengths off the pace during the whole race, so not sure where your 15 length margin comes from
Quevega ran in a 19 horse race, and only had max 7 horses behind her for at least half the race if not more. So she was way off the 7th place you suggest the whole way around.
Think you are right that Hurricane had an off day, which apparently Ruby has already confirmed, was never going from early. I backed Hurricane at the short prices as thought unbeatable. Naturally disappointed, but very surprised if does not reverse the form with the front pair in the future
Quevega ran in a 19 horse race, and only had max 7 horses behind her for at least half the race if not more. So she was way off the 7th place you suggest the whole way around.
Think you are right that Hurricane had an off day, which apparently Ruby has already confirmed, was never going from early. I backed Hurricane at the short prices as thought unbeatable. Naturally disappointed, but very surprised if does not reverse the form with the front pair in the future
i also lost on hurrican fly.but im confident ill get it all back and more when he runs next.ho was sweating badly at the start and obv had an off day.roll on aintree and or punchestown!!
Ruby gave the horse every chance, he just didn't pick up. Get over it
Rather than knocking Walsh we should praise Fehily and Maguire for their rides. They dictated the race. A few weeks ago someone said Geraghty was the best jockey round Cheltenham
Form man, try Burton Port at Newbury. Not Barry's finest moment.
ah,but that was not a riding error,he knew exactly what he was doing there
It wasn't a great ride, but pretty much all of the OP was complete rubbish. To suggest Ruby can't ride is complete lunacy. Severe pocket talking. Fwiw I doubt he'd have won if he had raced prominently.
The OP is quite obviously a complete retard. Ruby Walsh is one of the best jockeys that this sport has ever seen, and possibly will ever see. He rides Cheltenham better than any other jockey in my opinion. His record at the festival supports that view. And on top of that, he's one of the most honest guys you could ever come across. He'd be the first person to hold his hands up if he'd made a balls of the ride on any horse. So to have some sad goon sitting at his laptop in his bedroom telling him how to ride around Cheltenham is completely pathetic.
Barry is putting him to shame this week,its a shame he was not on HF as he did not have a ride in the race
I think the horses Barry has been riding may have something to do with that. So are you saying that you think Hurricane Fly would've won the Champion Hurdle if Barry Geraghty was riding him???
not at all,but i am saying that the horse would have been given a better ride had barry been onboard
I haven't checked yet but there is a fair chance that there is a track bias against the deep hold up horses. Only from memory on the first two days it seems that it may be proving very difficult to come from a long way back. Would need to check all the races to see if that is true (Une Artiste did come from a long way back but that was because Kazilian went a million miles an hour)...
but of course there is no way that Ruby could know that there is a possible track bias on only the first day.
Teaforthree - up the front all the way
Simonsig - held up in touch
Bobs Worth - in front two all the way
Finians - tracked leaders
Son of Flicka - prominent
Champagne Fever - Made all
Haven't checked Tuesday but it certainly seems to be suiting front runners. Fruity O'Rooney nearly made all...
only a theory but worth thinking about
but of course there is no way that Ruby could know that there is a possible track bias on only the first day.
Teaforthree - up the front all the way
Simonsig - held up in touch
Bobs Worth - in front two all the way
Finians - tracked leaders
Son of Flicka - prominent
Champagne Fever - Made all
Haven't checked Tuesday but it certainly seems to be suiting front runners. Fruity O'Rooney nearly made all...
only a theory but worth thinking about
but you would have thought that ruby would have knowen that he is facing the best horses in the UK in a championship race and sitting 12 lengths off them for most of the race is not the smartest of moves,if asked 'ruby,do you think you could have given HF a better ride,regardless if you think he was on a going day or not'?
the answer would surely be 'yes i do'
the answer would surely be 'yes i do'
but he cant know if there is a track bias in favour of being prominent which it now appears there is... and if that is true he probably had no chance once he was held up so far back.. and Bino less so because he was further back
they switch track tomorrow be interesting to see if it continues
they switch track tomorrow be interesting to see if it continues
only one i can think of was grand cruz,held up last for the first circuit,before traveling through the field to join the leaders turning for home,perhaps that move to close the gap took its toll
yes could be hard to make up ground so look for prominent racers brother
course they are watering and on fresh ground so it could all change so don't assume anything but I won't be doing any deep hold ups like For Non Stop
we shall see,but either way,one horse that travels very well and is ridden right up with the pace is Great End'vour
v sad sad post about prob the greatest jock to ever sit on a horse...bitter CLOWN
hurricane fly has never been as good as the hype suggests........beat solwit everytime in ireland, beat a slow peddlers cross last year....beat a bunch of donkeys in the mud in the irish champion. over rated. forgotten about this horse already
He may be the greatest N.H jock to sit on a horse altho I will defer,
however he is clearly showing his bias to naturally hold up horses which as Judorick has indicated is totally against the run of play this week.
As a true champion he shouldnt need a couple of days to work out how the track is riding on this faster round that we have seen @ cheltenham for many years.
The good news he has ridden Kauto positively up in the van on both occasions this season & if he can set his own pace we could be in for an emotional moment
however he is clearly showing his bias to naturally hold up horses which as Judorick has indicated is totally against the run of play this week.
As a true champion he shouldnt need a couple of days to work out how the track is riding on this faster round that we have seen @ cheltenham for many years.
The good news he has ridden Kauto positively up in the van on both occasions this season & if he can set his own pace we could be in for an emotional moment
Why can't some people just see that Rock on Ruby was the best horse on the day. Ruby did not ride a bad race from what I saw - in fact I thought ROR could be called the winner from half way. His run at Kempton at Xmas behind Binocular was brilliant considering the course did not suit. And his performance at Newbury first time out stamped him as a real contender.
How many horses win back to back Champion Hurdles? The ones that have recently have also won the Neptune/Sun Alliance the previous year - i.e Istabraq and Hardy Eustace. Speed horses like Binocular and Huricane Fly might be multiple grade 1 winning horses but they rarely win more than 1 champion hurdle.
Who would you rather back to win next years Champion at this stage - Cinders and Ashes or Simonsig? You could throw a blanket over the first 5 home in the Supreme - but Simonsig won in a canter by 7 lengths
How many horses win back to back Champion Hurdles? The ones that have recently have also won the Neptune/Sun Alliance the previous year - i.e Istabraq and Hardy Eustace. Speed horses like Binocular and Huricane Fly might be multiple grade 1 winning horses but they rarely win more than 1 champion hurdle.
Who would you rather back to win next years Champion at this stage - Cinders and Ashes or Simonsig? You could throw a blanket over the first 5 home in the Supreme - but Simonsig won in a canter by 7 lengths
this AP mccoy you talk of... Isn't he the one that sat behind Ruby?
never put sous le cieux in the race, he wouldnt have won but should have been placed, given far to much to do.....
Thank god hes finally read this thread. The lads learning.
took nearly 3 full days,but he has just about got the hang of it now,some would say a little to late tho
He's got a decent one here as well in the next. I'm having just a little bit each way on Crack Away Jack. Good Luck.
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Crack away jack is the best lay of the day at this price,nearly favorite,aint won since 2009,cant jump for sh1t,slow as feck,1 chase victory to his name,who is backing this rat wont even complete
lay lay lay
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Crack away jack is the best lay of the day at this price,nearly favorite,aint won since 2009,cant jump for sh1t,slow as feck,1 chase victory to his name,who is backing this rat wont even complete
lay lay lay
be interesting to see what tactics he employs on boston bob who I'm sure he would like to ride as a deep hold up horse
that might hand it to brindisi breeze who likes to front run
that might hand it to brindisi breeze who likes to front run
you called it judo, shockingly far back after the last 3 days is he completely thick or what?
he's done it again, too far back and horse has been asked to quicken twice. unbelievable.
to be fair,i dont think BB had the gears to go that gallop up front,he was always being pushed a bit on and off from the start
Great reading of the Albert Bartlett Judorick!!
Wish I'd seen your comments before backing Boston...
Wish I'd seen your comments before backing Boston...
deep hold up horses have been at a disadvantage all week, I will probably print off the race results and in running comments then watch all the replays and make notes to see what happened
certainly first two days were like that
certainly first two days were like that
Well, I thought he gave BB a great ride. Couldn't lay up on the ground.....soft ground staying chaser with no gears.
soft ground chaser?really?people were saying wpm was mad not to go for the neptune?he said all week that the ground suited him?.the fact te horse started 10l behind the winner and never tried to get nearer til 3f out?..im not convinced
I cant see how anyone can say he gave BB a good ride. Regardless of pocket talkinf it was terrible. Why ride Big Bucks one way and this the complete opposite? The ride he gave BB was perfect and excatly what he should have done here imo.
The horse was just too far back.... in a race that was all about stamina, not gear chnages. I havent seen the re-run yet, but thought he got involved in a bit of scrimmaging and the hustle and bustle of the big field, whilst the leader was completely unaffected. As pointed out by a few, it was so obvious that those near the front were at an advantage all week.
The horse was just too far back.... in a race that was all about stamina, not gear chnages. I havent seen the re-run yet, but thought he got involved in a bit of scrimmaging and the hustle and bustle of the big field, whilst the leader was completely unaffected. As pointed out by a few, it was so obvious that those near the front were at an advantage all week.
The only "evidence" that there was a pace bias on the first two days is that Hurricane Fly lost. The Supreme was run at a slow pace so it was likely that the leaders would be favoured, although Darlan still finished 2nd having raced in rear; 3 of the first 4 in the Mares Hurdle came from miles back as did Une Artiste and Alfie Sherrin; and the form horses won the Neptune, Arkle, 4-miler, RSA (if you assume Grands Crus didn't stay or had an off day) and Champion Chase.
More likely Hurricane Fly had an off day, didn't like the ground, or is past his best than that being held up cost him the race.
More likely Hurricane Fly had an off day, didn't like the ground, or is past his best than that being held up cost him the race.
i seen the last 2 fur on the inside camera from c4.it makes for very intresting viewing.if he pushed bb into the last and jumped it he wins,simple.some are saying he made a mistake at the last?he didnt he jumped it slow because he was slowing from 8 yards before it.race was over then.it puzzles me greatly.and i lost no money on the race so im not pocket talking.
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