Cheltenham Festival
There is currently 1 person viewing this thread.
These 82 comments are related to the topic:
Festival Thoughts and Bets
Festival Thoughts and Bets
sort by:
Show
per page
Replies: 82
|
By:
yeah I got the champion down to two horses - just backing the one at a bigger price - as I say the Fly is gonna take some beating
|
|
By:
OTS
Bino beat 165 rated Khyber Kim 3.5L "ran on strongly" fast time figures too from both stopwatch and raceform HF beat 162 rated Peddlers Cross 1.25L "held on all out" moderate time figures from stopwatch and raceform which one won a weak champion hurdle? People forget that 12 months ago Bino was strongly fancied defending champion and that HF was the flake that never turned up... |
|
By:
yes people are talking like there is only one possible result
if that is the case why is he not 3s on? |
|
By:
Apologies Bino "in command last, ran on well" not ran on strongly, numbers were right though
judo - yep JMDP definitely not suited by Dubai, had more to do with his defeat than nerve IMO. Probably felt like he couldn't win. |
|
By:
judo - just wanted to say that this thread shows you to someone of great integrity and compassion and I'm sure you friend will enjoy your notes enormously. Very best of luck this week
As for alexmillwall, you should be ashamed of yourself and anyone with anything about them would come back and apologise |
|
By:
should be 3"s on imho
|
|
By:
Im know we aint seen eye to eye on a few occasions Judo,and had words at times,but i have to say i agree wholeheartedly with roobucks comments and wish you all the best mate.
Doubt i shall be on here much now till after Chelt,will be too busy picking winners(hopefully)and no doubt losers as well!! Have a great festival Judo. And everyone else ive enjoyed banter with over the last few months. |
|
By:
LOLLL very touchy people here- i missed the disabled person part.. my mistake sorry.
Glossy the peddlers cross post was very obvious sarcasm you feckin egit. but i guess you are one of those bedraggled no lifers in the bookies 24/7 so i wont blame ya for missing it on this occasion. i just dont like the sheep mentality here, someone writes a huge amount so it must be gospel, best thing since sliced bread!! sure there was a lot of effort but its all freely available elsewhere (i now know its for your disabled mate so again my error). and just so people dont think im doing this just to be an a rse, there are some very decent posters on this site... i dont think ive ever disagreed with anything buddilea has written, but filtering the dross out is painful.  |
|
By:
Thieves, Hurricane Fly's champion was much stonger than Binocular's imo, but all entitled to our opinions. Just because it says Hurricane Fly "held on all out" doesn't make the form worse - it just means he was ran closer by better opposition.
The top 5 in Binocular's race were Binocular, Khyber Kim, Zaynar, Celestial Halo and Starluck. The top 5 in Hurricane Fly's race were Hurricane Fly, Peddlers Cross, Oscar Whisky, Thousand Stars and Menorah. Binocular beat 1 Cheltenham Festival winner in Zaynar, whereas Hurricane Fly beat 3 - Peddlers, Thousand Stars and Menorah. There were valid excuses for Solwhit and Go Native in Binocular's race, where there were no hard luck stories in the Fly's. Not having a go at all though, respect your opinion. With them both A1 and had impressed last time out we'll be able to sort it out once and for all. |
|
By:
Excellent work as well Judo
 |
|
By:
Doubt i shall be on here much now till after Chelt,will be too busy picking winners(hopefully)and no doubt losers as well!!
Good luck at the Festival Budd - hope Al Ferof, Albertas and Oscar Whisky run big races for you. Enjoyed some good debates in the last couple months but now it's time for action  |
|
By:
well chief - you are counting up cheltenham festival winners to justify it being a stronger race? A county hurdle winner off a light weight? A winner of a supreme narrowly beating a handicapper? How are they better than Bula winners, Christmas Hurdle winners and a former champion that Bino had behind?
As for the IR comments, that was in context of the ratings of the horses they beat, Bino beat a 165 horse much more impressively than HF beat a 162 horse. And in a much better time. And with a higher RPR. |
|
By:
well chief - you are counting up cheltenham festival winners to justify it being a stronger race?
The answer to that is yes. |
|
By:
So you rate the county hurdle winner higher than a bula winner, christmas hurdle winner or one of the irish champion hurdles? What if the winner of the conditional jockeys races ran, would you rate that higher than, say, the berfair hurdle?
|
|
By:
1000 stars is a proven G1 2 miler and French Champion Hurdler, Oscar Whisky won numerous graded races, Peddlers ran to a very high mark in the CH and has a live chance n this year's festival.
Khyber Kim never won again, Zaynar has since done nothing, Starluck is a handicapper and Celestial Halo, whilst admirable, is below top quality. Menorah won at the Festival but his Supreme form is prob better than Zaynar's triumph. Forgot Celestial Halo won a triumph so Bino actually beat two |
|
By:
* and go native makes 3 for Bino.
Still better quality in last years though |
|
By:
Actually WC Khyber Kim won a Grade 1 by 5 lengths next time out, Zaynar became a dog but was pretty bloody useful at the time, Starluck went chasing and has never run in a handicap in his life.
Peddlers Cross was given a very high rating in the CH. One he had never run to before and has run nowhere near to since. Maybe that is a false rating and the 162 he went into the race with is right? The clock would certainly suggest so. In which case, whatever he has achieved in Ireland, HF is only a 164 around Cheltenham. |
|
By:
punjabi makes 4...
|
|
By:
Forgot about Khyber Kim, only on my phone so can't check rp site.
As I said we won't agree so lets just leave it at that |
|
By:
Thanks chief,i wish you good luck as well mate
|
|
By:
ok WC, happy to leave it there.
Budd - good luck from me too. You have made me feel welcome on here, thank you for that. Enjoyed the debate, hope you have a belter. Look forward to your thoughts after the event. |
|
By:
Cheers thives,yeh its all been pretty good stuff in the main,and be intersting with peoples thoughts after next week!!
No doubt a bit of humble pie will be on the menu mate  |
|
By:
All the best
|
|
By:
Have a good one thieves.Hope you get plenty of winners
You put a good argument forward and I can't fault you for that. |
|
By:
I enjoy the debate chief, nothing I like better than a good disagreement throwing the facts around and testing our thoughts. Best of luck to you.
|
|
By:
TRAINER Alan King, who will head to the Cheltenham Festival with arguably his strongest ever team, on Sunday gave a upbeat assessment of William Hill Supreme Novices' contender Montbazon, describing his work at home as "unbelievable".
A 10-1 chance with the sponsors for the opening race of the festival on Tuesday, Montbazon impressed with a stylish success at Newbury last time. King reports the five-year-old to be in cracking order and is equally pleased with Smad Place, who will attempt to beat the mighty Big Buck's in the Ladbrokes World Hurdle on Thursday. "Nothing is going there in better form than Montbazon," the trainer is quoted on his website. "Montbazon and Smad Place worked exceptionally well [on Wednesday]. Montbazon has improved so much since he won his prep race at Newbury and his work at home has been unbelievable. |
|
By:
i couldn't give a rate how Binocular beat Khyber Kim,Khyber Kim was an average Hurdler,Simple as that,and so was punjabi
|
|
By:
I think Smad Place has a shout in the w/o Big Bucks market.
Looks a very open race w/o the fav. |
|
By:
I have Thousand Stars as tremendous value ew at 4-1 in the w/o market, we know he gets the distance, we know that there isnt much between him and Oscar over 2 1/2 miles
I cant see him being out of the 4 here |
|
By:
and how many threads with informed opinions based on trends analysis etc have you posted Dr Crippen?
|
|
By:
"The Arkle Trophy
I won't bother with the trends here, even though the selection fits all of them comfortably and remains unbeaten in 3 starts all of which have poked the eye out in their brilliance, just sit back and enjoy what I hope will be a master class from the “Black Aeroplane” that is Sprinter Sacre. This horse put up the best run I have ever seen by a novice chaser when winning in Grade 2 at Newbury and he is the most exciting prospect. Fingers crossed for a jaw dropping display of steeple chasing – one of the highlights of the meeting so do not miss" |
|
By:
hey judo - nice result for you there...i've had a little poke on this bottman here at 60...must of hit the glue pot but quite like it and at 60's worth a small bet...
|
|
By:
glue
|
|
By:
"Interestingly, there is a very short priced favourite, Grands Crus, who not only fails to match the above trends perfectly but has a major negative to overcome. He won the worst trial for this race. Of 17 winners of that trial, the Feltham at Kempton, to run in this race none have managed to win despite many of them being strongly fancied in the betting. Not even the future King George and Gold Cup winner Long Run managed to do the Feltham/RSA double. Grands Crus will need to be a superstar to win here – 7/4? No thanks"
|
|
By:
hey judo hows things? what happened to the champ to tonight? poor day for me to say the least...sizing a disaster pal...hope you fared better.
|
|
By:
I done well today, Grands Crus was a maximum lay for me, plus backed a couple of winners so not bad. Tomorrow and friday the big days
Djoko was fine, the guy upped his level second set and nicked tie break, Djoko was fine - Fed is in a tough 3rd set right now and it would be nice for him to go out soz you had a bad one but that QMCC was a farce mate -at Chetenham you couldnt write that |
|
By:
ye disappointing judo not saying he would of beaten the winner but had put the pace to the race and losing momentum like that couldn't of helped...racing but would of liked to have seen a level playing field and thought it was disgusting that championship racing came down to that...like i say the winner may have won anyway but thought it inconvenienced sizing more than the winner...
yes bobs worth recouped some but sizing was a big play for me.... glad you nicked a few quid but same tomorrow and friday are the biggest days for me to... am against sir des champs in the first think the nicholls horse can run well here...thoughts...mccains are running well |
|
By:
Well I haven't bothered updating the thread with the additional selections
but Peddlars is well clear on my ratings, Michael Flips might run well for a long way and you could back to lay him. After doing the Paul Jones book, there is only one horse that qualifies in the Pertemps Final amazingly - BellFlower Boy. All the others that fit the trends failed to get in the race. Niceonefrankie(in particular) and The Cockney Mackem are my selections in the Byrne Group and of course Great Endeavour and Medermit in the Ryan Air |
|
By:
may have detected a bias against the deep hold up horses and in favour of being prominent harry
might not persist when they change track tomoz and of course they are watering tonight so it could all change but look out for front runners staying there |
|
By:
yes a good spot and was my undoing in the 4 miler...will be interesting to see in the jewson what happens...nicholls horse looks a rapid improver to me in the first and think he is a tad of value against the top 2 in the market...think sir des champs form needs scrutiny and don't like him here although unbeaten and peddlers should win on the form and trainer flying but is short and had problems pre cheltenham...
without knocking your bellflower boy and his trainer is a proper plot trainer think the horse would like a tad of cut so have to pass him over...across the bay stinks to me here but tricky race. can see an upset in the plate but no opinion surprised somersby hasn't been entered in the charity race...awwww  |